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    Intrigued by this kid Matt Simms...

    He's bigger than McElroy and has a bigger arm, faster too, I believe he ran a 4.7 something, plus he has the pedigree and that always helps, but the best part is he keeps his mouth shut and doesn't show up his team (at least so far) he had a 30 yard completion today and I hope he continues to play well and beat McElroy for number 3, it would also rub the Giants the wrong way.

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    “Whatever … Desmond you’re a fraud and the worst analyst in the country.

    Noble sentiments but didn't this kid suck at college ? Tony Sparano has talked him up but, I'm not sure that, that is not something to do helping the son of Phil. Didn't Phil Simms almost get into a fist fight with some college media guy who mocked Matt Simms as one of the worst QB's in college football.

    btw I think a Dad looking out for his son is perfectly fair, I would have laid the asswipe flat myself for mocking my kid.

    I've just looked it up online and I'm delighted that I actually remember this weird worthless crap (when I can't remember what I had for lunch or when I last called my old man).

    *****
    "The heated exchange between Simms and Howard came to light after Howard sent out a series of Tweets indicating that he’d been antagonized by Simms to the point of Simms threatening violence against him.

    After my report, Simms sent out the following statement through CBS regarding the incident:

    “Desmond and I were having a private conversation that became heated. But at no time was there ever a chance of any physical confrontation or that I felt the police officer assigned to me by the event planners for my appearance needed to separate the two of us.”

    Howard also addressed the situation in a statement released by ESPN:

    “I was at a public signing for a sponsor when Phil approached me to express anger over on-air analysis I made months ago about his son, Tennessee QB Matt Simms. During the conversation, Phil made a reference to hitting me and security and sponsor representatives soon stepped in. It was an unfortunate incident and I’m moving on.”

    Since those statements were released, I’ve learned details of what happened between Simms and Howard from eyewitnesses at the scene.

    It wasn’t coincidence that Simms and Howard were in the same proximity Saturday in Dallas, as both were making a promotional appearance for the same sponsor.

    Desmond Howard reports about near attack by Phil Simms in Dallas

    Simms had just finished his appearance in the sponsor’s exhibit area and was about to leave when Howard sat down at a different table in a separate, partitioned area that was roped-off for his appearance.

    It was then that Simms, who was behind a rope and being accompanied by a sponsor-assigned security officer as he was leaving the exhibit, spotted Howard and attempted to get his attention. As a sponsor rep alerted Howard, Simms blurted out loudly in Howard’s direction:

    “Hey Desmond, I saw the tape. You called my son (Tennessee football player Matt Simms) the worst quarterback in the country.”

    Howard then slowly got up from his promo appearance and approached Simms. Once he reached Simms, Howard said,

    “I never called your son the worst quarterback in the country, I said that in the Tennessee-LSU game you will see three of the worst quarterbacks in the SEC.”

    Simms replied, “That’s bull—-, you don’t say that about anyone else.”

    Howard: “I just said it about two other guys (in the same sentence) and statistically, they were.”

    Simms: “Well, you didn’t say statistically.”

    Howard: “You’re in the business, I’ve got 20 seconds to make my point and I think people got what I was talking about.”

    It was then that Simms indicated he “wanted a piece” of Howard to which Howard said, “I’m here Phil, let’s go.”

    At that point, Howard turned to somewhat-flummoxed sponsor reps and the two security officers assigned to the event - one of whom was to escort Simms out of the area following his promotional appearance - and said, “Are you all just going to let this happen? What’s going on?“

    Desmond Howard reports about near attack by Phil Simms in Dallas

    Once the officer assigned to Simms began to move in his direction, Simms started to walk away. But not before delivering some parting shots at Howard.

    “Whatever … Desmond you’re a fraud and the worst analyst in the country. You’re a fraud.”

    Here’s Simms’ statement again - via CBS - about the incident:

    “Desmond and I were having a private conversation that became heated. But at no time was there ever a chance of any physical confrontation or that I felt the police officer assigned to me by the event planners for my appearance needed to separate the two of us.”

    And Howard’s:

    “I was at a public signing for a sponsor when Phil approached me to express anger over on-air analysis I made months ago about his son, Tennessee QB Matt Simms. During the conversation, Phil made a reference to hitting me and security and sponsor representatives soon stepped in. It was an unfortunate incident and I’m moving on.”

    Contrary to Simms’ claim of a “private conversation,” eyewitnesses told me Simms provoked the entire episode in front of sponsor reps and law enforcement and dozens of fans.

    While Simms obviously isn’t going to come clean and apologize for putting Howard in such a situation, at the very least I’ve been told not to expect Simms back at the same sponsor event next year."


    McElroy is having a mediocre camp so far but if I am the FO, I am not prepared to cut off my nose to spite my face - that kid has value to this franchise; I believe he has the potential to be the long term back up for the Jets. Kicking him off the team because he said some ill advised things as a rookie punishes the team more than the player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangrene View Post
    Noble sentiments but didn't this kid suck at college ? Tony Sparano has talked him up but, I'm not sure that, that is not something to do helping the son of Phil. Didn't Phil Simms almost get into a fist fight with some college media guy who mocked Matt Simms as one of the worst QB's in college football.

    btw I think a Dad looking out for his son is perfectly fair, I would have laid the asswipe flat myself for mocking my kid.

    I've just looked it up online and I'm delighted that I actually remember this weird worthless crap (when I can't remember what I had for lunch or when I last called my old man).

    *****
    "The heated exchange between Simms and Howard came to light after Howard sent out a series of Tweets indicating that he’d been antagonized by Simms to the point of Simms threatening violence against him.

    After my report, Simms sent out the following statement through CBS regarding the incident:

    “Desmond and I were having a private conversation that became heated. But at no time was there ever a chance of any physical confrontation or that I felt the police officer assigned to me by the event planners for my appearance needed to separate the two of us.”

    Howard also addressed the situation in a statement released by ESPN:

    “I was at a public signing for a sponsor when Phil approached me to express anger over on-air analysis I made months ago about his son, Tennessee QB Matt Simms. During the conversation, Phil made a reference to hitting me and security and sponsor representatives soon stepped in. It was an unfortunate incident and I’m moving on.”

    Since those statements were released, I’ve learned details of what happened between Simms and Howard from eyewitnesses at the scene.

    It wasn’t coincidence that Simms and Howard were in the same proximity Saturday in Dallas, as both were making a promotional appearance for the same sponsor.

    Desmond Howard reports about near attack by Phil Simms in Dallas

    Simms had just finished his appearance in the sponsor’s exhibit area and was about to leave when Howard sat down at a different table in a separate, partitioned area that was roped-off for his appearance.

    It was then that Simms, who was behind a rope and being accompanied by a sponsor-assigned security officer as he was leaving the exhibit, spotted Howard and attempted to get his attention. As a sponsor rep alerted Howard, Simms blurted out loudly in Howard’s direction:

    “Hey Desmond, I saw the tape. You called my son (Tennessee football player Matt Simms) the worst quarterback in the country.”

    Howard then slowly got up from his promo appearance and approached Simms. Once he reached Simms, Howard said,

    “I never called your son the worst quarterback in the country, I said that in the Tennessee-LSU game you will see three of the worst quarterbacks in the SEC.”

    Simms replied, “That’s bull—-, you don’t say that about anyone else.”

    Howard: “I just said it about two other guys (in the same sentence) and statistically, they were.”

    Simms: “Well, you didn’t say statistically.”

    Howard: “You’re in the business, I’ve got 20 seconds to make my point and I think people got what I was talking about.”

    It was then that Simms indicated he “wanted a piece” of Howard to which Howard said, “I’m here Phil, let’s go.”

    At that point, Howard turned to somewhat-flummoxed sponsor reps and the two security officers assigned to the event - one of whom was to escort Simms out of the area following his promotional appearance - and said, “Are you all just going to let this happen? What’s going on?“

    Desmond Howard reports about near attack by Phil Simms in Dallas

    Once the officer assigned to Simms began to move in his direction, Simms started to walk away. But not before delivering some parting shots at Howard.

    “Whatever … Desmond you’re a fraud and the worst analyst in the country. You’re a fraud.”

    Here’s Simms’ statement again - via CBS - about the incident:

    “Desmond and I were having a private conversation that became heated. But at no time was there ever a chance of any physical confrontation or that I felt the police officer assigned to me by the event planners for my appearance needed to separate the two of us.”

    And Howard’s:

    “I was at a public signing for a sponsor when Phil approached me to express anger over on-air analysis I made months ago about his son, Tennessee QB Matt Simms. During the conversation, Phil made a reference to hitting me and security and sponsor representatives soon stepped in. It was an unfortunate incident and I’m moving on.”

    Contrary to Simms’ claim of a “private conversation,” eyewitnesses told me Simms provoked the entire episode in front of sponsor reps and law enforcement and dozens of fans.

    While Simms obviously isn’t going to come clean and apologize for putting Howard in such a situation, at the very least I’ve been told not to expect Simms back at the same sponsor event next year."


    McElroy is having a mediocre camp so far but if I am the FO, I am not prepared to cut off my nose to spite my face - that kid has value to this franchise; I believe he has the potential to be the long term back up for the Jets. Kicking him off the team because he said some ill advised things as a rookie punishes the team more than the player.
    I respect your opinion and there are a lot of people who feel the same way that you do. That being said I don't understand why you would keep a guy on the team as a 3rd team QB who you know has a limited ceiling. If your goal is to get him to be a long term back up then to me that's not a good enough reason to keep him on the team. If you think a guy like Simms or somebody else has a higher ceiling then that's who you go with IMO. I don't think the Jets should be in the business of grooming their players to be backups and if that's the case then we're f*cked. Even forgetting what he said, he's still the same player on the field. And today he looked like the 4th best QB on the team, Simms looked like the 2nd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choon328 View Post
    I respect your opinion and there are a lot of people who feel the same way that you do. That being said I don't understand why you would keep a guy on the team as a 3rd team QB who you know has a limited ceiling. If your goal is to get him to be a long term back up then to me that's not a good enough reason to keep him on the team. If you think a guy like Simms or somebody else has a higher ceiling then that's who you go with IMO. I don't think the Jets should be in the business of grooming their players to be backups and if that's the case then we're f*cked. Even forgetting what he said, he's still the same player on the field. And today he looked like the 4th best QB on the team, Simms looked like the 2nd.
    I think the best Simms can hope for is to make our Practice Squad. I'm just going by what I am reading, lets see if he gets into any of the preseason games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slikmojet View Post
    He's bigger than McElroy and has a bigger arm, faster too, I believe he ran a 4.7 something, plus he has the pedigree and that always helps, but the best part is he keeps his mouth shut and doesn't show up his team (at least so far) he had a 30 yard completion today and I hope he continues to play well and beat McElroy for number 3, it would also rub the Giants the wrong way.
    Matt Simms was pretty bad in college by all accounts. I know he was working with a QB coach to get better (sort of like Tebow). I always felt that Simms was on the team as a favor to his father and/or because of McElroy's comments in the off-season. They may be talking him up so he can land a job with another team. The way McElroy played in the preseason last year with no offensive line, I'm not sure Simms can beat him out. I guess we will see how they play this preseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choon328 View Post
    I respect your opinion and there are a lot of people who feel the same way that you do. That being said I don't understand why you would keep a guy on the team as a 3rd team QB who you know has a limited ceiling. If your goal is to get him to be a long term back up then to me that's not a good enough reason to keep him on the team. If you think a guy like Simms or somebody else has a higher ceiling then that's who you go with IMO. I don't think the Jets should be in the business of grooming their players to be backups and if that's the case then we're f*cked. Even forgetting what he said, he's still the same player on the field. And today he looked like the 4th best QB on the team, Simms looked like the 2nd.
    Ideally, yes I agree, it would be nice to have your back-ups have a high potential beyond just perennial back but nobody knows where destiny takes these kids until they go through camp and a couple of years developing.
    McElroy maybe limited physically compared to Simms but he was a winner at college , the complete opposite to Simms ...

    Quote Originally Posted by escamoter2 View Post
    Matt Simms was pretty bad in college by all accounts. I know he was working with a QB coach to get better (sort of like Tebow). I always felt that Simms was on the team as a favor to his father and/or because of McElroy's comments in the off-season. They may be talking him up so he can land a job with another team. The way McElroy played in the preseason last year with no offensive line, I'm not sure Simms can beat him out. I guess we will see how they play this preseason.
    If Simms outplays McElroy in camp I am behind cutting McElroy but like Escamoter says I suspect it is a favor to Phil, showcasing him for another team. The way Simms is playing he should at least make a practice squad on the Jets or somewhere else.

    His brother Chris Simms, btw, is apparently on the lower rungs of Patriots coaching staff ... surveillance division ...
    Last edited by Gangrene; 08-05-2012 at 10:31 AM.

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    He was horrible at Tennessee ..now granted that team didn't have that much talent

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    He could be a practice squad candidate. Last season, the Jets had to go to their 4th option after McElroy's injury. When your back up quarterback is a guy who could take a pounding running between the tackles, Having a 4th option at the position is not a bad idea as insurance.

    The drawback is that teams who are looking for a competitive advantage leading into a game can sign Simms off of the practice squad for valuable intel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by escamoter2 View Post
    Matt Simms was pretty bad in college by all accounts. I know he was working with a QB coach to get better (sort of like Tebow). I always felt that Simms was on the team as a favor to his father and/or because of McElroy's comments in the off-season. They may be talking him up so he can land a job with another team. The way McElroy played in the preseason last year with no offensive line, I'm not sure Simms can beat him out. I guess we will see how they play this preseason.
    Who is talking up Simms on the Jets?

    You need more than 3 QBs to start with in TC...He went to a Div 1 program, has NFL physical traits and he is a local kid, which teams always give shots to

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    McElroy sealed his fate by popping off to the press last spring. He's done as a member of the Jets. Matt Simms is absolutely going to steal that spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeonM View Post
    He could be a practice squad candidate. Last season, the Jets had to go to their 4th option after McElroy's injury. When your back up quarterback is a guy who could take a pounding running between the tackles, Having a 4th option at the position is not a bad idea as insurance.

    The drawback is that teams who are looking for a competitive advantage leading into a game can sign Simms off of the practice squad for valuable intel.
    Not exactly:

    If a team signs a player from the practice squad of its next opponent, the move must be made at least six days before the game; players signed from a practice squad also must count against the 53-man roster for three weeks (these rules are in place to prevent teams from signing practice squad players for a week just to get information on their next opponent; it's still possible, but these rules discourage the practice)

    http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2011/8...es-eligibility

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    McElroy sealed his fate by popping off to the press last spring. He's done as a member of the Jets. Matt Simms is absolutely going to steal that spot.
    Why then wasn't he been waived?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    Not exactly:

    If a team signs a player from the practice squad of its next opponent, the move must be made at least six days before the game; players signed from a practice squad also must count against the 53-man roster for three weeks (these rules are in place to prevent teams from signing practice squad players for a week just to get information on their next opponent; it's still possible, but these rules discourage the practice)

    http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2011/8...es-eligibility
    All true but that doesn't prohibit teams from doing exactly what I stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeonM View Post
    All true but that doesn't prohibit teams from doing exactly what I stated.
    no kidding..which is I stated not exactly (its not a 1 week and cut him thing) and why I posted the rules which states:

    players signed from a practice squad also must count against the 53-man roster for three weeks (these rules are in place to prevent teams from signing practice squad players for a week just to get information on their next opponent; it's still possible, but these rules discourage the practice)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangrene View Post
    Ideally, yes I agree, it would be nice to have your back-ups have a high potential beyond just perennial back but nobody knows where destiny takes these kids until they go through camp and a couple of years developing.
    McElroy maybe limited physically compared to Simms but he was a winner at college , the complete opposite to Simms ...



    If Simms outplays McElroy in camp I am behind cutting McElroy but like Escamoter says I suspect it is a favor to Phil, showcasing him for another team. The way Simms is playing he should at least make a practice squad on the Jets or somewhere else.

    His brother Chris Simms, btw, is apparently on the lower rungs of Patriots coaching staff ... surveillance division ...
    Your career backup should be #2, and the #3 spot should be for projects. You can't have your serviceable backup be #3. Unless they plan on having McElroy play if Sanchez gets hurt, and they're only giving lip service to Tebow.

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    I really liked what I saw out of McElroy last preseason. I believe he is leaps and bounds better than Matt Simms, based on his college career and what he's already shown with us. Barring some sort of severe downturn in performance by McElroy, I don't see how his roster spot is threatened whatsoever by Simms.

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    We'll see. Some guys are great college QBs(think Tebow), and some are better pros(think Brady). You never know, and if you think you do, then you've already proven that you don't know anything.

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    I don't believe that bringing Simms in was somehow done as a favor to his father. His father played for the Giants, what allegiance do the Jets have to him that would make them do him a favor?

    Also, college statistics and success mean absolutely nothing in the nfl. Matt Cassel didn't even play in college. He completed 20 passes and 0 ints. Players still develop after college, that's why Brady is who he is. Simms has an NFL arm, something McElroy doesn't, and I think the Jets and the players no this. Ask Bart Scott who singled out Simms after the scrimmage for his performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangrene View Post
    Ideally, yes I agree, it would be nice to have your back-ups have a high potential beyond just perennial back but nobody knows where destiny takes these kids until they go through camp and a couple of years developing.
    McElroy maybe limited physically compared to Simms but he was a winner at college , the complete opposite to Simms ...



    If Simms outplays McElroy in camp I am behind cutting McElroy but like Escamoter says I suspect it is a favor to Phil, showcasing him for another team. The way Simms is playing he should at least make a practice squad on the Jets or somewhere else.

    His brother Chris Simms, btw, is apparently on the lower rungs of Patriots coaching staff ... surveillance division ...
    If we're "showcasing" him, it implies other teams might be interested.

    If other teams are interested, then we should be too.

    Of course, it comes down to whether you think McElroy is a keeper or not. Personally I don't, so giving Simms a shot isn't much of a risk from my perspective . . .

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    I agree with the logic of trying to groom future starters, not future backups.

    McElroy is Ken Dorsey.

    Smart college QB who knew how to protect the ball and get it to stable of 1st round skill position players. But he's a career 3rd stringer in the NFL.

    Simms might not ever amount to anything, could probably be cut at any time, but if they're going to keep someone to develop, I hope it's him instead of McElroy.

    And just because he sucked in college does not mean he will suck in the NFL.

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