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    Rich Caster was an excellent deep threat wideout for the Jets

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    lol @ thinking Tebow will start. You funny, guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath View Post
    As the season approaches, the tebow haters are finally realizing what is going to happen. But instead of accepting it, they are already making excuses like no oline, no wrs etc.

    Tebow will be the starting qb because he is the best qb on the roster to run our offense. No excuses needed my friends.
    That argument makes no sense. When did Sparano's offense call for a QB to complete only 46% of his passes?

    If Tebow had good touch on the ball and could throw the short, intermediate and long ball, connecting overall at 60% then this argument could be made.

    Even in practice, Tebow is only connecting at a 45% clip. That puts tremendous pressure on a run heavy offense because the opportunity to exploit run defenses is at a minimal because the QB can't complete the required throws.

    Sparano needs a mobile better passer for his offense to work. Until Tebow can connect at a higher clip he can't be that guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMC View Post
    That argument makes no sense. When did Sparano's offense call for a QB to complete only 46% of his passes?

    If Tebow had good touch on the ball and could throw the short, intermediate and long ball, connecting overall at 60% then this argument could be made.

    Even in practice, Tebow is only connecting at a 45% clip. That puts tremendous pressure on a run heavy offense because the opportunity to exploit run defenses is at a minimal because the QB can't complete the required throws.

    Sparano needs a mobile better passer for his offense to work. Until Tebow can connect at a higher clip he can't be that guy.
    Im not Pro Tebow.

    Still, i could see the argument.

    Tim Tebow in a run DOMINANT offense. Decreased INT chances. Run the living **** out of the clock.....

    Hope for a Defense that holds teams to 14 points a game...

    Either that or the POSSIBILITY of Sanchez trying to find passes where they arent there to a (what most people agree) is a challenged WR corps.

    Not that far fetched of a statement imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdJETSetter View Post
    Im not Pro Tebow.

    Still, i could see the argument.

    Tim Tebow in a run DOMINANT offense. Decreased INT chances. Run the living **** out of the clock.....

    Hope for a Defense that holds teams to 14 points a game...

    Either that or the POSSIBILITY of Sanchez trying to find passes where they arent there to a (what most people agree) is a challenged WR corps.

    Not that far fetched of a statement imo.
    What you see doesn't make sense either. The only reason for the lower INT chances is because Tebow is so inaccurate. Plus, the decreased INT chances is offset by the high number of fumble opportunities. Tebow has fumbled the ball quite often.

    Plus, hoping the D only gives up 14 ppg means the O is premised on supporting a D on par with the historic 2000 Raven team. In today's NFL, even the best defenses give up more than 14 ppg.

    Again, Sparano's O is not premised on a run first QB who can only complete 46% of his passes. No O is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMC View Post
    What you see doesn't make sense either. The only reason for the lower INT chances is because Tebow is so inaccurate. Plus, the decreased INT chances is offset by the high number of fumble opportunities. Tebow has fumbled the ball quite often.

    Plus, hoping the D only gives up 14 ppg means the O is premised on supporting a D on par with the historic 2000 Raven team. In today's NFL, even the best defenses give up more than 14 ppg.

    Again, Sparano's O is not premised on a run first QB who can only complete 46% of his passes. No O is.
    Not what i meant. I mean with Tebow, you dont have to rely on throwing to an unproven WR corps. You simply dont rely on throwing that much with Tebow. yes, he is innacuratte, and not as good of a passer as Sanchez.

    Im just saying an argument can be made that the Wildcat with Tebow may be more effective with a dominant defense behind him in comparison to Sanchez trying to move the ball through the air to this current set of WR's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes9 View Post
    You mean other than bringing in a new Offensive coordinator, a new offensive line coach, and a new offensive scheme ???
    Yes. Usually changing coaches is the reason for improvement in the NFL. Has nothing to do with the personal that coach has to work with. Brilliant analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdJETSetter View Post
    I dont think Joe W is saying Tebow is a better QB. He certainly is not a better Passer. But look at the roster.....we are counting on Sanchez to move the ball and score points through the air with a crappy #1, and unproven WR's. Sanchez doesnt have the luxury of more time. people are at their end. The team screwed him.
    $20 mill garanteed sounds like time to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdJETSetter View Post
    Not what i meant. I mean with Tebow, you dont have to rely on throwing to an unproven WR corps. You simply dont rely on throwing that much with Tebow. yes, he is innacuratte, and not as good of a passer as Sanchez.

    Im just saying an argument can be made that the Wildcat with Tebow may be more effective with a dominant defense behind him in comparison to Sanchez trying to move the ball through the air to this current set of WR's.
    Any argument can be made, but that doesnt make it a good one. The Wildcat, which Tebow has never run before (him being a spread option QB), benefits from an accurate passer.

    You keep mentioning how this WR corps sucks, but that issue is exacerbated by an inaccurate QB. Theres less chances for throws, but that means even fewer receptions because of an inaccurate QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rextilleon View Post
    Yes. Usually changing coaches is the reason for improvement in the NFL. Has nothing to do with the personal that coach has to work with. Brilliant analysis.
    Didn't our defense go from #16 to #2 Rex's first year? Without Jenkins and only adding Scott and Leonard?

    Yep coaching didn't cause that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rextilleon View Post
    Yes. Usually changing coaches is the reason for improvement in the NFL. Has nothing to do with the personal that coach has to work with. Brilliant analysis.
    Upgrading coaching staffs generally does lead to improvement in the NFL, especially when you start getting into scheme changes. Simply moving from a complicated protection scheme to something more basic can seriously aid the offensive line. That, and as others have noted, pretty sure Sparano isn't going to leave Hunter hanging out there. Running with multiple TE sets will aid Hunter.

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    Lock n' dump please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sports View Post
    Lock n' dump please!
    Why lock and dump? The thread was about Tebow bwcoming the starter due to the fact that we didn't address our OL needs and Sanchez is going to get killed.

    The thread is not about Tebow being the better choice. He sucks. Most of us can see that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath View Post
    As the season approaches, the tebow haters are finally realizing what is going to happen. But instead of accepting it, they are already making excuses like no oline, no wrs etc.

    Tebow will be the starting qb because he is the best qb on the roster to run our offense. No excuses needed my friends.
    You are totally clueless j.n. Sanchez is the QB of this teams future as they drafted him to be. Tebow is a good football player who happens to play Qb as well. If the Jets got him to be a QB than they would not be using him for special teams play lol Cmon Sanchez had a better 3rd year than Eli did in fact in was better than Eli's 4th year too. Thats from a QB with 2 years of college experience! As much as you want to see Sanchez fail you need to face the reality that he is a top 20 QB right now in this league and getting better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by george jetfan from miami View Post
    You are totally clueless j.n. Sanchez is the QB of this teams future as they drafted him to be. Tebow is a good football player who happens to play Qb as well. If the Jets got him to be a QB than they would not be using him for special teams play lol Cmon Sanchez had a better 3rd year than Eli did in fact in was better than Eli's 4th year too. Thats from a QB with 2 years of college experience! As much as you want to see Sanchez fail you need to face the reality that he is a top 20 QB right now in this league and getting better!
    +1

    I havn't seen a NY QB take so much abuse since Phil Simms was in his early days. While Sanchez made some stupid mistakes last year, mostly due to the ineptitude of the OL, he has improved every year. 28 passing TDs and 33 total is not that bad. I still think the kid will be a top 5 QB before he is done.

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    The plain and simple truth is that our top two qbs have shown themselves to be scrappy, gamer qb's rated in the bottom quarter of starting quarterbacks in the league last year.

    The ONLY way this team is getting to a Super Bowl with either QB is ...

    1. If they play mistake-free football and

    2. Our defense plays up to it's potential

    None of our QB's will ever carry a team like the top four or five qbs in this league. However if they can cut down on interceptions , the Jets will squeak by with low scoring wins and may well find themselves in the playoff hunt.
    Mark Sanchez is streaky, if gets on a roll in the playoffs with Tim Tebow scrambling .. this team could, break the mould.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangrene View Post
    The plain and simple truth is that our top two qbs have shown themselves to be scrappy, gamer qb's rated in the bottom quarter of starting quarterbacks in the league last year.

    The ONLY way this team is getting to a Super Bowl with either QB is ...

    1. If they play mistake-free football and

    2. Our defense plays up to it's potential

    None of our QB's will ever carry a team like the top four or five qbs in this league. However if they can cut down on interceptions , the Jets will squeak by with low scoring wins and may well find themselves in the playoff hunt.
    Mark Sanchez is streaky, if gets on a roll in the playoffs with Tim Tebow scrambling .. this team could, break the mould.
    Cool. Crystal ball? What are the next powerball numbers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath View Post
    As the season approaches, the tebow haters are finally realizing what is going to happen. But instead of accepting it, they are already making excuses like no oline, no wrs etc.

    Tebow will be the starting qb because he is the best qb on the roster to run our offense. No excuses needed my friends.
    Actually Our Offense will be a lot better with Tebow only getting the "gimmick" role. You have the element of suprise when you line up to punt, when Tim's in at rb and Sanchize toss' left to Timmy, When Timmy's in at FB and he gets the "direct snap" etc... ALL OF THESE SCINERIOS- YOU DON'T KNOW IF HE'LL RUN/PASS. BIG PLAYS!! You can't really do these things if Tim Tebow is starting. And.. We all seen how horrible he is as "starting Qb."

    One 8-8 season and how quickly we forget, BACK TO BACK AFCCG!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by endgameeugenics View Post
    Actually Our Offense will be a lot better with Tebow only getting the "gimmick" role. You have the element of suprise when you line up to punt, when Tim's in at rb and Sanchize toss' left to Timmy, When Timmy's in at FB and he gets the "direct snap" etc... ALL OF THESE SCINERIOS- YOU DON'T KNOW IF HE'LL RUN/PASS. BIG PLAYS!! You can't really do these things if Tim Tebow is starting. And.. We all seen how horrible he is as "starting Qb."

    One 8-8 season and how quickly we forget, BACK TO BACK AFCCG!!
    We know he wont pass. Its well known among the Sanchites that Tebow has nowhere near a good arm, nor throwing motion.

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    how quickly we forget 09' and 2010

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