Ingram looked great last night. He is the guy I wanted at that spot. But it makes no difference what coples does. You have to give these guys 2 full years beofre you can really make valid assumptions on the guys.
Coples has had a quit camp though.
He's a DE. How many tackles do DEs get in a game? How many tackles does a DE get in a game that he plays a quarter or a quarter and a half?
Coples has zero sacks in his NFL Career. I don't think its too soon to call him a bust. You think someone would give us a 7th rounder for him?
Their line is the epitomy of the sum being better then the parts. Brady has had the same offense and same protection schemes for the past 8+ years....thats is a huge advantage and a reason why we should strive for that same continuity on offense.
BTW, the other of the two holding calls he got was on a running play where he could have very well made the tackle in the backfield because he was close enough to make the tackle.
As for sacks, I disagree. Some of the best individual game pass rushing performances can produce little or no sacks. A QB pressure can be just as dangerous a sack. Sometimes more so. He was rushing Drew Brees and he was a big reason Brees was 1 for 4 for 4 yards last night.
Last edited by Rob0729; 08-10-2012 at 09:31 AM.
According to the Boston Globe here is Jones' performance:
http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal..._for_patriots/Jones produced five quarterback pressures in 14 dropbacks.
Against the run, he held the point well enough to factor in on two stuffed runs (carries of 1 yard or less) in another 12 snaps.
Thatís a total of seven impact plays in just 26 plays.
The fact is, as you astutely point out, there will always be a comparison between Coples and the other rookies who were available at 16 and seen as more logical picks by many on this board, DeCastro, Ingram, Jones being the most prominent.
Melvin Ingram makes mark
Posted by Mike Florio on August 9, 2012, 9:12 PM EDT
The first quarter of the Packers-Chargers game featured five turnovers. One was an interception resulting from intense pressure applied on quarterback Aaron Rodgers by rookie linebacker Melvin Ingram.
Ingram, the 18th overall pick in the draft, also applied a fairly solid hit to Rodgers on what turned out to be the reigning league MVPís final play of the game.
The good news (if there is any) for the Packers is that Ingram wasnít beating the starting left tackle, Marshall Newhouse, but reserve Herb Taylor.
Rodgers completed only two of eight passes for 16 yards. In addition to the interception, Rodgers lost a fumble.
Jets fans will be paying close attention to the early portion of Ingramís career. With Ingram on the board when the Jets used the 16th overall pick, New York took linebacker Quinton Coples instead.
Florio is an idiot. Coples isn't a linebacker.
Jones looked good and he was going against Bushrod(Pro Bowler).
Solder looked lost. (not a rookie)
Offense looked bad but the Saints looked bad too.
Hightower looked really good at times, like a rookie in other time.
No other rookies stood out.
If Coples ends up the better player than Jets made the right move. But if Ingram is better, and at a position of greater need at the time, then they made the wrong pick. Time will tell - one preeason game won't.
The only way a true "winner" can be declared is if one guy explodes and the other implodes. And like you said, we won't know that after one season, let alone one preseason game . . .
No need for Ingram. Move along please.
Ingram looked great, high motor, quick burst. Versatile. These are things we knew. But that's the man I wanted. Just for team need. I think Coples is a luxury pick. I wouldn't be to worries about what Ingram does though. He's.not a NYJ. Let's pay attention to how Coples collapses the pocket.
I am ready to declare after 1 quarter of preseason play, that C. Jones is the next Reggie White.