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    Quote Originally Posted by AlbanyJet View Post
    I don't know about that, Fish!

    Romney selected Ryan because he felt that he had the latitude to do so. Otherwise it would have been Rubio.

    Actually, I see it as the opposite. Romney lacks faith that his base will support him (because in many places, they don't really) because of the RINO he generally is.

    This move is a rather clear cut sign of having to bolster hi sbase, assuming that Romney himself will provide the appeal to the vital middle/indy voters he'll require to win the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Actually, I see it as the opposite. Romney lacks faith that his base will support him (because in many places, they don't really) because of the RINO he generally is.

    This move is a rather clear cut sign of having to bolster hi sbase, assuming that Romney himself will provide the appeal to the vital middle/indy voters he'll require to win the election.
    I agree, that's my thinking too. That being said, I'm excited about the pick. Pawlenty or Portman would have been too milquetoast, Rubio would have been too obviously pandering to minorities. Ryan is a smart, serious guy. Romney/Rubio, based on serious intellectual policymaking alone, make Obama/Biden look like rank amateurs.

    Just wait and see how that dastardly Obama campaign, the thugs from Chicago begin the attack machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard View Post
    Just wait and see how that dastardly Obama campaign, the thugs from Chicago begin the attack machine.
    No need to wait, they'll just recycle the attacks from the budget debates et. al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard View Post
    I agree, that's my thinking too. That being said, I'm excited about the pick. Pawlenty or Portman would have been too milquetoast, Rubio would have been too obviously pandering to minorities. Ryan is a smart, serious guy. Romney/Rubio, based on serious intellectual policymaking alone, make Obama/Biden look like rank amateurs.

    Just wait and see how that dastardly Obama campaign, the thugs from Chicago begin the attack machine.
    Charles Krauthammer says Ryan elevates the game, builds enthusiasm, takes that to the convention, and most likely a Romney win. He never gave McCain much of a chance.

    The Romney/Ryan ticket stands in such obvious contrast to the Chicago attack machine. This won't be lost on people.

    The GOP will ramp it up to the convention and deliver clear, carefully crafted appeals.

    So: Energy level advantage + money raised = Romney win.

    In case anyone hasn't noticed, Obama is having trouble even uniting unions. Miners (think PA, WV, OH) are sitting this out and there's Dem Convention union spats.

    And Obama's approval/disapproval rate is in the toilet. That ain't changing.

    Once Romney peels off his first blue state it's over.

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    Hate the pick, helped gut Simpson Bowles and is a social conservative. The worst of both worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    Hate the pick, helped gut Simpson Bowles and is a social conservative. The worst of both worlds.
    How do you think he'll do against Joe Biden in a debate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sackdance View Post
    How do you think he'll do against Joe Biden in a debate?
    I think the guy is a very articulate white man. I think he fires up the base. As an independent voter who thinks a budget and tax compromise has been needed for a long time now I think he is a bomb thrower who won't get it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Ryan is ok, conservative enough on the important things, fiscal and Government size/power. Too social/religious for me, but thats to be expectd.

    My concenr is this pick does nothing to help Romney win. The pick appeals only to those already squarely in the "was going to vote (R) anyway" party loyalist types. He has no appeal to moderates or independant voters, and won't get any with the (D) spin on his budget (dishobest though it is) and his social conservative views that are fast becomming outdated by most in the middle.

    It must be said, he's also a "boring white man". That won't help in an election more and more dominated by racial/gender divisions, women, gays, hispanics and blacks were all squarely in Obama's camp before, and will remain so now.

    I'm just suprised I guess, that Romney felt the need (in any form) to appeal to the base, given it's the base that always shows up to vote it's party loyalty, regardless of candidate. Base's don't win election, the great unwashed and undecided middle does....and more and more, women and hispanics do.

    End of the day, my prediction for Election 2012 hasn't changed. Obama wins. Ryan doesn't shift the needle by much when all is said and done and they don't win Wisconsin.
    You are missing the point when it comes to moving the needle. I like Rubio as well but the Ryan pick is another move which pushes the focus of this election to economic and budgetary issues. In the debates when Obama attacks the Ryan plan it will be an opportunity for Romney to point out the lack of any plan from Democrats. Bring in Ryan who has a great ability (almost Stossel like) to explain his plan in a clear and understandable manner. I was waffling between Rubio and Ryan but regardless I think this was a great choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefst2000 View Post
    ....regardless I think this was a great choice.
    Really.

    Shocked you'd feel that way.

    Truly.

    (Because there was such a big chance you'd have been againt whomever was picked after the fact, amirite?)

    My previous opinion stands. This was to strnegthen a weak conservative/tea party base, not appeal to the vital-to-win middle/indies/woem/hispanics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    I think the guy is a very articulate white man. I think he fires up the base. As an independent voter who thinks a budget and tax compromise has been needed for a long time now I think he is a bomb thrower who won't get it done.
    As fr as budget concerns goes, I'd say Ryan is the #1 name Romney could have picked.

    What do you mean by tax compromise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sackdance View Post
    As fr as budget concerns goes, I'd say Ryan is the #1 name Romney could have picked.

    What do you mean by tax compromise?
    Tax reform Simpson Bowles the only real plan that has any bipartisan finger prints on it.

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    Governor Romney just locked up the Republican base................


    Or did he do that 2 months ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adb280z View Post
    Very strange time for this kind of announcement, half the country is still asleep.
    This country has been asleep for four years, and eight years prior to that. Bush and Obama have screwed this country for 12 years now. It is time to sweep the trash out of our government. Both Parties!

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    Exclamation southparkcpa porn

    This guy is sharp as a tack...gonna rip Biden a fiscal new one in a debate if he is not careful. Even Obama had an uh- oh look on his poker face at one point as Ryan called them out on their shell game spending cuts:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=zPxMZ1WdINs

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    The Romney Ryan combo paints a stark contrast. On the one side you have two populist clowns that run around lying and deceiving the people and treating the electorate like a bunch of morons with their populist pandering. On the other side we have two serious executives with the brain power and policy chops to make a real difference. The contrasts are clear as is the choice voters will face.

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    Smart Democrats Should Be Worried
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    August 11, 2012 11:21 A.M. Comments166
    Liberal pundits are already fanning out in force to attack and discredit Paul Ryan. Michael Tomasky, who recently wrote a Newsweek cover story calling Mitt Romney a “wimp,” has now decided that Romney’s bold move is “a terrible choice” because Ryan has proven himself to be an extremist on budget issues.

    No doubt there are many Democrats rubbing their hands in glee in contemplation of reviving some version of the ad that featured an actor playing Paul Ryan pushing a grandmother in a wheelchair off a cliff. But the smarter ones are worried.

    First, if Ryan is an extremist and his proposals are so unpopular, how has he won election seven times in a Democratic district? His lowest share of the vote was 57 percent — in his first race. He routinely wins over two-thirds of the vote. When Obama swept the nation in 2008, he carried Ryan’s district by four points. But at the same time, Ryan won reelection with 65 percent of the vote, meaning that a fifth of Obama voters also voted for him.

    Ryan has pointed out to me that no Republican has carried his district for president since Ronald Reagan in 1984. “I have held hundreds of town-hall meetings in my district explaining why we have to take bold reform steps, and I’ve found treating people like adults works,” he told me. “All those ads pushing elderly woman off the cliffs don’t work anymore if you lay out the problem.”

    Second, Democrats know that Ryan has Reaganesque qualities that make him appealing to independent, middle-class voters. Take the cover story on Ryan that the Isthmus, a radically left-wing Madison, Wis. newspaper, ran on him in 2009. “Ryan, with his sunny disposition and choirboy looks, projects compassion and forcefully proclaims dedication to his district,” the story reported. “And he’s proved he is not unyieldingly pro-corporate, as when he recently joined in condemnation of AIG ‘retention’ bonuses.”

    Third, Ryan’s ideas aren’t that novel or scary. The idea of “premium support” for Medicare, which would change the program’s one-size-fits-all policy to a private-insurance model with public options, was endorsed by a bipartisan commission appointed by Bill Clinton back in the 1990s. Late last year, Ryan announced a new version of his proposal with a new partner signing on: Democratic senator Ron Wyden of Oregon, who first achieved political prominence as an advocate for seniors.

    Four, Ryan puts Wisconsin and its ten electoral votes in play. Polls have shown that President Obama holds a five to seven point lead in Wisconsin — significant, but much less than Obama’s 14-point margin in 2008. With Ryan on the ticket, polls show the race is dead even.

    Five, if Republicans were looking for a superior candidate, they’ve found it in Ryan. His maiden speech as the GOP vice-presidential candidate was perfectly pitched:

    We won’t duck the tough issues . . . we will lead!

    We won’t blame others…we will take responsibility!

    We won’t replace our founding principles . . . we will reapply them!

    Echoes of Ronald Reagan at his best.

    Ryan was judged to have already had the better of President Obama in televised exchanges on Obamacare. His debate with Joe Biden this October might well be remembered as cruel and unusual punishment for dim vice presidents. Recall that Sarah Palin fought a much more engaged Joe Biden to a draw in their 2008 vice-presidential debate.

    Six, as Democratic consultant Joe Trippi acknowledged today on Fox News, Ryan will bring in a flood of donations from overjoyed conservatives and tea-party members. Romney had a problem with energizing the GOP base. That problem is now solved, and that will make it easier to pump up conservative turnout.

    Democrats will no doubt try to make Paul Ryan into a younger version of the devil they’ve tried to paint Mitt Romney as. But they should worry about fighting a campaign on fundamental issues in a weak economy. That’s precisely how Jimmy Carter, the last Democratic president to run for reelection during hard times, wound up losing so badly that it not only cost Democrats control of the U.S. Senate but damaging the liberal brand for years afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MnJetFan View Post
    This country has been asleep for four years, and eight years prior to that. Bush and Obama have screwed this country for 12 years now. It is time to sweep the trash out of our government. Both Parties!
    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefst2000 View Post
    The Romney Ryan combo paints a stark contrast. On the one side you have two populist clowns that run around lying and deceiving the people and treating the electorate like a bunch of morons with their populist pandering. On the other side we have two serious executives with the brain power and policy chops to make a real difference. The contrasts are clear as is the choice voters will face.
    Are you saying Romney has never pandered?

    20% across the board tax cut...
    Restoring the cuts to the pentagon...
    Isreal has the greatest culture ever!...
    Pro manditory health care when Governor and anti manditory health care when presidential candidate...
    As Governor Romney pledged not to change abortion laws and as Presidential candidate he pledges to eliminate planned parenthood...

    Policy chops?

    What policies have these guys enacted?

    Romney care and...
    Last edited by Buster; 08-11-2012 at 08:25 PM. Reason: have

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    Not feeling it.


    Paul Ryan on Bailouts and Government Stimuli
    -Voted YES on TARP (2008)
    -Voted YES on Economic Stimulus HR 5140 (2008)
    -Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)
    -Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)

    Paul Ryan on Entitlement Programs
    -Voted YES on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003)
    -Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers. (Jun 2006)
    -Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Oct 2008)
    -Voted YES on Head Start Act (2007)

    Paul Ryan on Education
    Rep. Ryan went along with the Bush Administration in supporting more federal involvement in education. This is contrary to the traditional Republican position, which included support for abolition of the Department of Education and decreasing federal involvement in education.

    -Voted YES on No Child Left Behind Act (2001)

    Paul Ryan on Civil Liberties
    -Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)
    -Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
    -Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)

    Paul Ryan on War and Intervention Abroad
    -Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
    -Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)
    -Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
    -Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    Are you saying Romney has never pandered?

    20% across the board tax cut...
    Restoring the cuts to the pentagon...
    Isreal has the greatest culture ever!...
    Pro manditory health care when Governor and anti manditory health care when presidential candidate...
    As Governor Romney pledged not to change abortion laws and as Presidential candidate he pledges to eliminate planned parenthood...

    Policy chops?

    What policies have these guys enacted?

    Romney care and...
    How is restoring the cuts to the military pandering. It is the right thing to do. Israeli culture IS something to envy. Man for man there is no country in the world that can compete with them on startups or high tech or nobel prizes. They value entrepreneurship in a way that should be the envy of the world. Cutting taxes across the board is not pandering. Pandering would be cutting taxes on a particular consituancy. You clearly dont understand the definition of the word.

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