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    The "Ryan" Plan (The TLDR Version)

    With Rep. Paul Ryan selected as Mitt Romney's running mate, voters will be hearing a lot about the so-called "Ryan" plan.

    So what is it?

    Though each party has strong feelings about what Ryan's controversial budget proposal entails, here are a few highlights. Just the facts:
    The latest full-scale version of the plan, unveiled in March, vows to cut spending by $5 trillion over the next decade, compared against President Obama's plan.
    The plan would, a decade from now, give seniors the option of taking a government payment to purchase health insurance. That payment could be used to buy a private insurance plan, or go toward the traditional Medicare plan. The plan calls for extra assistance to help low-income beneficiaries and those with "greater health risks."
    The plan would overhaul Medicaid by turning it into a block grant system for states.
    The plan would cut the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 25 percent. It would implement two individual income tax brackets -- 10 percent and 25 percent.
    The plan would head off the scheduled automatic defense cuts, first by diverting the planned $55 million defense cut in 2013 by implementing those cuts elsewhere.
    The plan vows to bring the size of government to 20 percent of GDP by 2015.
    Democrats charge at Ryan, targeting his budget as expected


    Published August 11, 2012

    FoxNews.com

    Democrats wasted no time Saturday attacking GOP vice presidential pick Paul Ryan, launching a familiar and expected assault on the Wisconsin congressman’s tough-love budget proposals, which Democrats suggest would help millionaires and hurt seniors.

    A clearly well-prepared Obama campaign led the attack, launching a website within minutes of Mitt Romney’s official announcement that called the House Budget Committee chairman’s budget proposals a “sham.”

    The website, “Mitt Romney-Paul Ryan: The Go Back Team,” cites five facts that voters “need to know” about Ryan.

    “Paul Ryan’s top-down budget plan is a sham,” reads the first entry.

    The Obama campaign by Saturday afternoon released its first TV ad, a 94-second spot titled “Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan: Back to the Failed Top-Down Policies.”

    The Ryan announcement essentially puts the final chess piece in play for the upcoming GOP national convention. And Ryan will have a chance to square off directly against Vice President Joe Biden in an Oct. 11 debate at Centre College, in Danville, Ky.

    Democrats, in their rapid-fire responses Saturday, seemed eager to draw attention to Ryan’s balanced-budget plan, which they said would increase taxes on the middle class so millionaires can continue to get tax cuts. They also said Ryan’s conservative views are “out of touch with most Americans’ values” and would move the country backward on civil rights and women’s health issues.

    Ryan, a seven-term congressman, also wasted no time Saturday, attacking President Obama in his first speech after Romney had announced him as a running mate.

    "No one disputes that President Obama inherited a difficult situation,” Ryan said at a Norfolk, Va., naval yard with the USS Wisconsin in the background. "Whatever the explanations, whatever the excuses, this is a record of failure."

    Obama campaign manager Jim Messina said the Romney campaign will try to portray the 42-year-old Ryan as a fiscal conservative whose House GOP-approved budget is an earnest attempt to scale back government and reduce the federal deficit.

    However, Messina warned that Ryan, with Romney’s support, will in fact try to “end Medicare as we know it and slash the investments we need to keep our economy growing the all while cutting taxes for those at the very top.”

    He also said Romney “doubled down on his commitment to take our country back to the failed policies of the past.”

    Leading Democrats used strikingly similar language in their first-round efforts to knock down Ryan.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said the Ryan pick shows Romney has “doubled down on his commitment to gut Social Security and end Medicare as we know.”

    Maryland Democratic Rep. Chris Van Hollen said the Ryan choice tells him “Mitt Romney is doubling down on an economic approach that helps people like Mitt Romney.”

    Maryland Democratic Gov. Martin O’Malley, a faithful Obama campaign surrogate, said the Ryan pick brings to the Romney candidacy “a strong commitment to end Medicare as we know it.”

    Ryan and Romney were greeted Saturday in Norfolk with chants of "USA, USA" from the energized crowd.

    Ryan also accused the Obama team of being "more worried about their next election than they are about the next generation."

    Ryan may continue pushing for a version of the budget proposal he reintroduced earlier this year. That proposal would overhaul Medicare and Medicaid and make other sweeping changes that Democrats have labeled as extreme. But Ryan has stuck by his proposal as the solution to an ever-growing deficit inflamed by out-of-control entitlement spending.

    In a dose of the tough-love approach for which Ryan's has become known, he said: "We promise equal opportunity, not equal outcomes."

    Romney called his new running mate a man of "steadiness" and "integrity" when introducing him. He also praised Ryan as an "intellectual leader" of the party who understands the toll the federal debt is taking on the country but is optimistic about the future.

    "He doesn't demonize his opponents,” said Romney, who at a campaign stop Saturday afternoon in Ashland, Va., called for an end to campaign attacks ads.

    Romney initially fumbled his introduction of Ryan. In the closing line of his remarks, he referred to Ryan as the "next president." Romney quickly returned to the podium to correct himself.

    The announcement comes as some polls, including a recent Fox News survey, show Romney losing ground to Obama.
    Does the Ryan Plan history help or hurt Romney with Moderates/Independant Voter?

    Will the (D) Criticism (and exagerations) hurt Ryan/Romney, or will the fact Obam's own Budgets couldn't garner even a single "yes" vote, even from his own party, nullify such criticism before it can start?

    How do you fell about the Ryan Budget?

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    As opposed to Obama's plan of screwing everyone other then his green energy buddies. Hey Obama where is the money from these firms, you know our tax money!

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    Will rural Republicans allow the farm subsidies and Amtrak be killed off?


    Is it possible to balance the budget andd spend $600+ billion on the pentagon?

    I understand in this plan the Ryan voucher given to Medicare recipients will not grow with the rising cost of health care. Also, 1/3 of Social security payments will be invested into private funds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    Will rural Republicans allow the farm subsidies and Amtrak be killed off?


    Is it possible to balance the budget andd spend $600+ billion on the pentagon?

    I understand in this plan the Ryan voucher given to Medicare recipients will not grow with the rising cost of health care. Also, 1/3 of Social security payments will be invested into private funds.
    I think his Medicaid/Medicare plan is just more of the same cowardly bandaid nonsense. It would really be nice to see the government agencies go after the real problems like fraud instead of making it harder for people who need this stuff to get it. My kid is likely going to find herself on a voucher program (overseen by someone competent as she can't do so on her own), but then I read how some broad gets a $700K salary for running a non-profit almost wholly supported by federal Medicaid, state Medicaid and local DOE. Start getting rid of nonsense like that and see how much you are able to finally help those who truly need it while also reducing how much it costs to do so.

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    The wealthy will NEVER go for the "Ryan Plan" as 25% is way more than they pay now with all the loopholes and tax shelters that the current tax code affords them.

    Makes for a great soundbyte. But it will NEVER come to fruition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    The wealthy will NEVER go for the "Ryan Plan" as 25% is way more than they pay now with all the loopholes and tax shelters that the current tax code affords them.

    Makes for a great soundbyte. But it will NEVER come to fruition.
    His plan also calls for means testing Social Security and Medicare. That screws the rich as well. Oh and this idea that grandma goes over the cliff seems odd as the Ryan bipartisan comprimise keeps traditional medicare for those that choose it and allows for a voucher program for folks that choose it. Its almost like all of the Democrat arguments about how this plan and everything Republicans do favors rich people is simply untrue. Its almost like the Democrats simply lie about it.

    Or maybe the Republicans are actually trying to fix this mess in a common sense and balanced way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    Will rural Republicans allow the farm subsidies and Amtrak be killed off?


    Is it possible to balance the budget andd spend $600+ billion on the pentagon?

    I understand in this plan the Ryan voucher given to Medicare recipients will not grow with the rising cost of health care. Also, 1/3 of Social security payments will be invested into private funds.
    this.

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    All subsidies should be cut. College, Amtrak, Farm, Ehthanol and so on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    Will rural Republicans allow the farm subsidies and Amtrak be killed off?


    Is it possible to balance the budget andd spend $600+ billion on the pentagon?

    I understand in this plan the Ryan voucher given to Medicare recipients will not grow with the rising cost of health care. Also, 1/3 of Social security payments will be invested into private funds.
    The Ryan budget doesn't address Social Security. As far as his plan for medicare it is a choice between vouchers for private insurance or the current medicare plan as it is. Of course voucher payments would rise with the costs. I'm not in love with that part of the plan. It came from a bipartisan compromise. I don't think it saves much money. The actual savings comes from means testing medicare and SS alongside raising the eligibility age over time. The latter is the obvious long term solution.

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    Wow, at least you do indeed have a genuine choice over there - both parties are pretty distinguishable from one another in terms of policy. Hopefully the election is decided on policy and not character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soberphobia View Post
    Hopefully the election is decided on policy and not character.
    I hope it's decided by both.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MnJetFan View Post
    All subsidies should be cut. College, Amtrak, Farm, Ehthanol and so on!
    including the post office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post

    Makes for a great soundbyte. But it will NEVER come to fruition.
    Sounds like somebody we know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    including the post office.
    Yep, them too. They have been living like it is the 1960's. Wake up time for the Pony Express!

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