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    Logic and #24

    On July 14th 1985 I was probably in a theatre somewhere watching 'Back to the Future' and questioning why I had decided to become a Jets fan a few years earlier. Little did I know that the greatest player who would ever wear the Green and White was emerging from his mama's womb.

    Darrelle Shavar Revis is the best corner in the NFL and probably a top 3 defensive player depending on how much you value pass rushers and the way they impact the game. I don't want to get off on a tangent, but I would rank the top 3 as 1) Revis 2)Ray Lewis 3) Demarcus Ware. If you had those 3 players and Ndamukong Suh on the line you could literally surround them with any other 7 defensive players in the league and they would be #1... no question. I'm definitely getting off on a tangent now, so let me get back to the subject at hand.

    The last time the Jets had the best player in the league at his position was Joe Namath. Mark Gastineau was an elite pass rusher but he wasn't the best DE in the league. Curtis Martin is a HOF'er but he was never the best RB in the league. Joe Namath was the best QB in football for about 3 years and he was also the best offensive player during that time. Having that kind of player is rare and a player like this can win you a championship.

    Revis with a defensive minded HC like Ryan is like Bill Walsh with Montana as his QB. This is also a passing league in 2012, so having the best CB in the game is an invaluable advantage. He has been a model citizen off the field, he sells tons of jerseys and the only issue he has had is 2 holdouts looking for more $$$$. Finally he has started 77 out of 80 regular season games and all 7 of his post season games.

    What does all this add up to? He should be the top paid player in the league who is not a QB. It's that simple. He's collected about $15 million a season over the past two years. Thats frankly below market value... a little. This year and next year he will collect under $10 million each year... way below market value. The way we handle this guy will truly define the Woody Johnson era.

    Woody lost his West-side NYC Stadium and he has spent a ton of cash trying to chase a championship, so far with no luck. He has invested in two major 1st round QB's so far in his tenure and the jury is still out on #6, but if his team is ever going to win the big game it will be on the shoulders of #24. Since the salary cap was instituted in the mid 90's The Colts showed they could handle Manning, the Ravens showed they could handle Lewis, and Green Bay made some tough decisions and showed they can handle the pressure of a guy like Rodgers on their roster. They found ways to pay them, keep them happy and keep their images squeaky clean. Ray Lewis was even investigated for murder early in his career and The Ravens still kept Lewis' image as a positive one.

    The Jets first of all drafted Revis. That was a great service to him. They have surrounded him with a pretty solid secondary with a bunch of B+/A- CB's and Safety's. Also good for Revis. They have played games with his contract and frankly it has damaged his public persona. Every Jets fan should want to invite Darrelle over to his/her house on Sunday to f%#k their mother.

    He should be an icon and held up on a pedestal like #18 in Indy or #52 in Baltimore. They are Gods in their towns. The Jets have painted Revis as a greedy/ money hungry difficult diva. He wants top dollar, he has earned top dollar and frankly I would seriously consider playing out the next 2 years and walking in 2014 if I were him. He would probably only have about 3-4 good years left at that point, but he would be able to write is own paycheck and go anywhere he wanted.

    Mr. T and Woody need to step up and pay this guy. It's hard to do during the preseason, but once the season starts you are past a point where you can say he showed up to camp and he was out there doing his thing once the season started in good faith. If you do it during the preseason it looks like he held you hostage (again) and that you renegotiate contracts with 2 years left. These are not good presidents. I get it. But once you are into the 2012 season, maybe somewhere around the holidays, you announce an extension that locks him up for life and show that Florham Park is an elite landing spot for any blue chip draft choices and or free agents. You will get screwed a little on the back end of this contract and if guys like Hill, Couples or Demario Davis become elite players you probably won't be able to retain them. Thats the price you pay.

    I've said this before and I'll say it again. If this incarnation of the NY Jets is to win a Superbowl it will be because of their best player, Darrelle Revis. Look at what has happened to the city of Cleveland after losing LeBron. They won't recover from that. The NBA and NFL are drastically different when it comes to contracts and how/why you pay players, but the comparison is more valid than I would like to admit.

    PAY HIM!

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    I can't stop staring at Tokyo's signature.

    Tokyo's signature > This thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McGinley View Post
    I can't stop staring at Tokyo's signature.

    Tokyo's signature > This thread.
    I'll just say thank you so you can see it again

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    There are 5 starters on a basketball team. 22 on a football team, and Revis never even touches the ball. There is absolutely no comparison of Revis' worth to that of James. None whatsoever. A QB would be about half as important, since he doesn't play defense, but a CB? absolutely not. I'd say Revis should get paid about half of what an elite QB would get. That would be his value, as the best CB, and one of the top 15 most impactful defensive players. Edge rushers have the edge over CBs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McGinley View Post
    I can't stop staring at Tokyo's signature.

    Tokyo's signature > This thread.
    Yes that Sumo wrestler is huge. Very distracting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY's stepchild View Post
    Yes that Sumo wrestler is huge. Very distracting.
    The wrestler is his icon/avatar, not his signature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TokyoJetsFan View Post
    I'll just say thank you so you can see it again
    You da bess!

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-E-T-S-Jets View Post
    On July 14th 1985 I was probably in a theatre somewhere watching 'Back to the Future' and questioning why I had decided to become a Jets fan a few years earlier. Little did I know that the greatest player who would ever wear the Green and White was emerging from his mama's womb.

    Darrelle Shavar Revis is the best corner in the NFL and probably a top 3 defensive player depending on how much you value pass rushers and the way they impact the game. I don't want to get off on a tangent, but I would rank the top 3 as 1) Revis 2)Ray Lewis 3) Demarcus Ware. If you had those 3 players and Ndamukong Suh on the line you could literally surround them with any other 7 defensive players in the league and they would be #1... no question. I'm definitely getting off on a tangent now, so let me get back to the subject at hand.

    The last time the Jets had the best player in the league at his position was Joe Namath. Mark Gastineau was an elite pass rusher but he wasn't the best DE in the league. Curtis Martin is a HOF'er but he was never the best RB in the league. Joe Namath was the best QB in football for about 3 years and he was also the best offensive player during that time. Having that kind of player is rare and a player like this can win you a championship.

    Revis with a defensive minded HC like Ryan is like Bill Walsh with Montana as his QB. This is also a passing league in 2012, so having the best CB in the game is an invaluable advantage. He has been a model citizen off the field, he sells tons of jerseys and the only issue he has had is 2 holdouts looking for more $$$$. Finally he has started 77 out of 80 regular season games and all 7 of his post season games.

    What does all this add up to? He should be the top paid player in the league who is not a QB. It's that simple. He's collected about $15 million a season over the past two years. Thats frankly below market value... a little. This year and next year he will collect under $10 million each year... way below market value. The way we handle this guy will truly define the Woody Johnson era.

    Woody lost his West-side NYC Stadium and he has spent a ton of cash trying to chase a championship, so far with no luck. He has invested in two major 1st round QB's so far in his tenure and the jury is still out on #6, but if his team is ever going to win the big game it will be on the shoulders of #24. Since the salary cap was instituted in the mid 90's The Colts showed they could handle Manning, the Ravens showed they could handle Lewis, and Green Bay made some tough decisions and showed they can handle the pressure of a guy like Rodgers on their roster. They found ways to pay them, keep them happy and keep their images squeaky clean. Ray Lewis was even investigated for murder early in his career and The Ravens still kept Lewis' image as a positive one.

    The Jets first of all drafted Revis. That was a great service to him. They have surrounded him with a pretty solid secondary with a bunch of B+/A- CB's and Safety's. Also good for Revis. They have played games with his contract and frankly it has damaged his public persona. Every Jets fan should want to invite Darrelle over to his/her house on Sunday to f%#k their mother.

    He should be an icon and held up on a pedestal like #18 in Indy or #52 in Baltimore. They are Gods in their towns. The Jets have painted Revis as a greedy/ money hungry difficult diva. He wants top dollar, he has earned top dollar and frankly I would seriously consider playing out the next 2 years and walking in 2014 if I were him. He would probably only have about 3-4 good years left at that point, but he would be able to write is own paycheck and go anywhere he wanted.

    Mr. T and Woody need to step up and pay this guy. It's hard to do during the preseason, but once the season starts you are past a point where you can say he showed up to camp and he was out there doing his thing once the season started in good faith. If you do it during the preseason it looks like he held you hostage (again) and that you renegotiate contracts with 2 years left. These are not good presidents. I get it. But once you are into the 2012 season, maybe somewhere around the holidays, you announce an extension that locks him up for life and show that Florham Park is an elite landing spot for any blue chip draft choices and or free agents. You will get screwed a little on the back end of this contract and if guys like Hill, Couples or Demario Davis become elite players you probably won't be able to retain them. Thats the price you pay.

    I've said this before and I'll say it again. If this incarnation of the NY Jets is to win a Superbowl it will be because of their best player, Darrelle Revis. Look at what has happened to the city of Cleveland after losing LeBron. They won't recover from that. The NBA and NFL are drastically different when it comes to contracts and how/why you pay players, but the comparison is more valid than I would like to admit.

    PAY HIM!

    dump

    I'd also handicap our salary cap and pay Revis 20mil per and never make it to the playoffs.

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    they should pay him now... cause the price is only going up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-E-T-S-Jets View Post
    On July 14th 1985 I was probably in a theatre somewhere watching 'Back to the Future' and questioning why I had decided to become a Jets fan a few years earlier. Little did I know that the greatest player who would ever wear the Green and White was emerging from his mama's womb.

    Darrelle Shavar Revis is the best corner in the NFL and probably a top 3 defensive player depending on how much you value pass rushers and the way they impact the game. I don't want to get off on a tangent, but I would rank the top 3 as 1) Revis 2)Ray Lewis 3) Demarcus Ware. If you had those 3 players and Ndamukong Suh on the line you could literally surround them with any other 7 defensive players in the league and they would be #1... no question. I'm definitely getting off on a tangent now, so let me get back to the subject at hand.

    The last time the Jets had the best player in the league at his position was Joe Namath. Mark Gastineau was an elite pass rusher but he wasn't the best DE in the league. Curtis Martin is a HOF'er but he was never the best RB in the league. Joe Namath was the best QB in football for about 3 years and he was also the best offensive player during that time. Having that kind of player is rare and a player like this can win you a championship.

    Revis with a defensive minded HC like Ryan is like Bill Walsh with Montana as his QB. This is also a passing league in 2012, so having the best CB in the game is an invaluable advantage. He has been a model citizen off the field, he sells tons of jerseys and the only issue he has had is 2 holdouts looking for more $$$$. Finally he has started 77 out of 80 regular season games and all 7 of his post season games.

    What does all this add up to? He should be the top paid player in the league who is not a QB. It's that simple. He's collected about $15 million a season over the past two years. Thats frankly below market value... a little. This year and next year he will collect under $10 million each year... way below market value. The way we handle this guy will truly define the Woody Johnson era.

    Woody lost his West-side NYC Stadium and he has spent a ton of cash trying to chase a championship, so far with no luck. He has invested in two major 1st round QB's so far in his tenure and the jury is still out on #6, but if his team is ever going to win the big game it will be on the shoulders of #24. Since the salary cap was instituted in the mid 90's The Colts showed they could handle Manning, the Ravens showed they could handle Lewis, and Green Bay made some tough decisions and showed they can handle the pressure of a guy like Rodgers on their roster. They found ways to pay them, keep them happy and keep their images squeaky clean. Ray Lewis was even investigated for murder early in his career and The Ravens still kept Lewis' image as a positive one.

    The Jets first of all drafted Revis. That was a great service to him. They have surrounded him with a pretty solid secondary with a bunch of B+/A- CB's and Safety's. Also good for Revis. They have played games with his contract and frankly it has damaged his public persona. Every Jets fan should want to invite Darrelle over to his/her house on Sunday to f%#k their mother.

    He should be an icon and held up on a pedestal like #18 in Indy or #52 in Baltimore. They are Gods in their towns. The Jets have painted Revis as a greedy/ money hungry difficult diva. He wants top dollar, he has earned top dollar and frankly I would seriously consider playing out the next 2 years and walking in 2014 if I were him. He would probably only have about 3-4 good years left at that point, but he would be able to write is own paycheck and go anywhere he wanted.

    Mr. T and Woody need to step up and pay this guy. It's hard to do during the preseason, but once the season starts you are past a point where you can say he showed up to camp and he was out there doing his thing once the season started in good faith. If you do it during the preseason it looks like he held you hostage (again) and that you renegotiate contracts with 2 years left. These are not good presidents. I get it. But once you are into the 2012 season, maybe somewhere around the holidays, you announce an extension that locks him up for life and show that Florham Park is an elite landing spot for any blue chip draft choices and or free agents. You will get screwed a little on the back end of this contract and if guys like Hill, Couples or Demario Davis become elite players you probably won't be able to retain them. Thats the price you pay.

    I've said this before and I'll say it again. If this incarnation of the NY Jets is to win a Superbowl it will be because of their best player, Darrelle Revis. Look at what has happened to the city of Cleveland after losing LeBron. They won't recover from that. The NBA and NFL are drastically different when it comes to contracts and how/why you pay players, but the comparison is more valid than I would like to admit.

    PAY HIM!
    Whe was the last time winning the SB was put on the shoulders of a CB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-E-T-S-Jets View Post
    the greatest player who would ever wear the Green and White was emerging from his mama's womb.
    Stopped reading.

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    If we miss the playoffs this year, I'd have a hard time making Revis the highest paid defensive player in the league.

    If we pay him after missing the playoffs twice in a row, we'll have no money to build this team like we need to. And at that point what has he won for us?

    We can trade him, get 1 first, 3rd and a player. And take the money Revis would have cost and grab 2-3 more nice players. So basically it's 5 OR 6 players for 1.

    Keep Cro and Wilson and look to groom another CB from next years draft or FA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LockeJET View Post
    If we miss the playoffs this year, I'd have a hard time making Revis the highest paid defensive player in the league.

    If we pay him after missing the playoffs twice in a row, we'll have no money to build this team like we need to. And at that point what has he won for us?

    We can trade him, get 1 first, 3rd and a player. And take the money Revis would have cost and grab 2-3 more nice players. So basically it's 5 OR 6 for 1.

    Keep Cro and Wilson and look to groom another CB from next years draft or FA.
    Not for nothing, but shouldnt the Jets expect Revis to be more of leader on this team? He is without a doubt the best player on this team, and is essentially invisible except when there is talk of him holding out. He doesnt exactly rally the troops the way your best player should.

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    Dump.

    Stop the idol worshiping. Root for the laundry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    Not for nothing, but shouldnt the Jets expect Revis to be more of leader on this team? He is without a doubt the best player on this team, and is essentially invisible except when there is talk of him holding out. He doesnt exactly rally the troops the way your best player should.
    Thats a major problem with our team. None of our core players are real leaders. Not Brick, not Mangold, not Harris, not Revis. Closest thing we have is Moore and even he poured gas on the fire last season.

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    i dont buy the DE > CB argument. Not for this defense. If you asked Rex Ryan who would you rather have Revis or Mario Williams (Or Ware, Peppers, Babin, Jared Allen, Von Miller, Suggs etc) he'd pick Revis cause he needs man to man shut down corners. Rex doesn't need a rusher, he needs coverage guys more. The scheme makes the pressure for this team and this system. And the scheme needs people who live on an island.

    in general ends are getting decreased in value because of the quick hit pass systems. the bills gave up hardly any sacks last year and it's not because their OL is good. It's because everything is 2 steps and gone. if you want to talk about Ngata or Suh getting interior pressure as being more valuable i could see that argument. No QB can deal with inside pressure.

    Which also brings up a point about rarity, there are 10 or 15 awesome top level DEs, there's a few good DT, there's only 1 Revis. I see a ton of threads disrespecting this player but he's the best Jets player since Namath and if he leaves it will be a disaster. Whether they win a SB with him or not, they are a better team with him than without him.
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    bit, Rex tailored the scheme b.c he inherited Revis. If he was building a defense from scratch he would have started with a 3 down pass rusher. He is a DL coach.

    The Bills also did not sniff the playoffs. There will always be a premium for pass rushers, especially ones that can play 3 downs.

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    I agree with OP, to an extent. Revis the greatest Jet of all time. While Namath will always be the face of this franchise, no player has ever worn the green and white and been as dominant at a position than Revis. Revis may go down as one of the top couple of CB's of all time.

    However, if our offense is inept this year, we cannot afford to sink more money into our defense. We may need to find a QB, Rb, WR, TE (if Keller walks) and a RT in the next offseason. If we give Revis even more money there will be nothing left to improve the offense. We may have to let Revis go, hope Kyle Wilson can take the next step and use the Revis money to improve our offense. If our Defensive line/LBs/safeties all improve like I think they can, Revis may become somewhat expendable. It would be like the packers spending a ton of money to land Adrian Peterson, sure he is amazing, but would it be worth the money?

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