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    Tebow's last Jets practice at Cortland is his worst

    awwweeee yeah!

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/jetsbl...zlm7EomWySyIfP

    CORTLAND It was a rough final day in Cortland for Tim Tebow.

    Tebow finished Thursday's practice the final one in Cortland of the season 2-for-10, including an interception and four sacks. In his first full portion of team drills, Tebow was sacked three times in five plays. It was easily his worst showing of camp so far.

    The Jets did spend some time working on the Wildcat again Thursday, after unveiling it for the first time during Monday's practice.

    Mark Sanchez, on the other hand, looked pretty good, finishing the day 5-for-6, a day after throwing three interceptions between team and 7-on-7 drills in practice.

    *****

    After three weeks, the Jets are officially done with their upstate New York portion of training camp.

    The Jets completed their final practice of camp here at SUNY-Cortland Thursday morning, wrapping up with a final practice that was shortened a bit from their usual 2-1/2 hours. The team also only practiced in shells, as opposed to full pads.

    *****

    The Jets continue to be without safety Eric Smith (knee) and Sione Po'uha (back). And, once again, wide receivers Chaz Schilens (ankle), Santonio Holmes (ribs, back) and Jeremy Kerley (hamstring) stayed out of team drills. Kerley again participated in some individual drills and fielded some punts.

    *****

    Safety LaRon Landry, who the Jets have limited in practice during camp, has continued to see his participation increase this final week. Landry was again participating fully Thursday, and so far has had no setbacks during camp.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/jetsbl...#ixzz23llsVpVy

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    Means nothing. He is here to run wildcat. These numbers would all change if he could run in practice. Most of these so-called sacks would be broken tackles and big gains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gastineau99 View Post
    Means nothing. He is here to run wildcat. These numbers would all change if he could run in practice. Most of these so-called sacks would be broken tackles and big gains.
    This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McGinley View Post
    This.
    Yep.

    Also, for both Sanchez and Tebow, just seeing the numbers doesn't tell us anything. Need more details and more context. WRT sacks; Which guys were blocking on the Oline ? Did the line break down ? Did the QB hold the ball too long ? Who were the receivers ? Who were the CB/DBs ? Was it a coverage sack ? Yada, yada, yada.

    Same with INTs and completion %. We don't know any details that would actually tell us anything. Was it a timing play and the receiver ran the wrong route ? Did the receivers get any separation ? Did they drop the ball ?

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    Was one guy playing against arguably a top 5 defense and was the other guy playing against scrubs. That's a pretty big part of it to I would think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choon328 View Post
    Was one guy playing against arguably a top 5 defense and was the other guy playing against scrubs. That's a pretty big part of it to I would think.
    For "the other guy", you'd need to look at who the "scrubs" were that he was going against, and who was in on his Oline.

    I'm still of the belief that some of our 1st team issues is due to shifting personnel around to get guys some snaps at different positions. That's great for giving individual guys some experience at other positions, and helps in individual evaluations, but it doesn't allow the line to really work as a single unit and gel.

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    "Tebow is a leader of men"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxc View Post
    awwweeee yeah!

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/jetsbl...zlm7EomWySyIfP

    CORTLAND – It was a rough final day in Cortland for Tim Tebow.

    Tebow finished Thursday's practice – the final one in Cortland of the season – 2-for-10, including an interception and four sacks. In his first full portion of team drills, Tebow was sacked three times in five plays. It was easily his worst showing of camp so far.

    The Jets did spend some time working on the Wildcat again Thursday, after unveiling it for the first time during Monday's practice.

    Mark Sanchez, on the other hand, looked pretty good, finishing the day 5-for-6, a day after throwing three interceptions between team and 7-on-7 drills in practice.

    *****

    After three weeks, the Jets are officially done with their upstate New York portion of training camp.

    The Jets completed their final practice of camp here at SUNY-Cortland Thursday morning, wrapping up with a final practice that was shortened a bit from their usual 2-1/2 hours. The team also only practiced in shells, as opposed to full pads.

    *****

    The Jets continue to be without safety Eric Smith (knee) and Sione Po'uha (back). And, once again, wide receivers Chaz Schilens (ankle), Santonio Holmes (ribs, back) and Jeremy Kerley (hamstring) stayed out of team drills. Kerley again participated in some individual drills and fielded some punts.

    *****

    Safety LaRon Landry, who the Jets have limited in practice during camp, has continued to see his participation increase this final week. Landry was again participating fully Thursday, and so far has had no setbacks during camp.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/jetsbl...#ixzz23llsVpVy

    But DaBallhawk told me.... http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/sh...69&postcount=1

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    You're not aware of the situation when you get training/mini camp passing numbers.

    I know that a few days ago Tebow got yelled at after completing a pass because they were simulating 3rd or 4th and goal. You only learn about this if someone in the media overhears something or if they ask about a specific play at the press conference.

    One of the things I love about DVOA: yards gained on 3rd down that don't gain a 1st down are dramatically devalued because it's still a "failed" play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gastineau99 View Post
    Means nothing. He is here to run wildcat. These numbers would all change if he could run in practice. Most of these so-called sacks would be broken tackles and big gains.
    You realize part of what made the wildcat work was the fact that at least initially or in the huddle the offensive play looked like it would be conventional with the qb under center rather than split out wide?


    As soon as Tebow sets foot on the field every defensive player is going to know exactly what we're doing. Brad Smith, who was overrated, would at least initially line up at WR either slot or wide. Tebow has to be an every-down qb for his schtick to work. Only way I see him being effective in a part-time role for us is as a goal-line qb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    You realize part of what made the wildcat work was the fact that at least initially or in the huddle the offensive play looked like it would be conventional with the qb under center rather than split out wide?


    As soon as Tebow sets foot on the field every defensive player is going to know exactly what we're doing. Brad Smith, who was overrated, would at least initially line up at WR either slot or wide. Tebow has to be an every-down qb for his schtick to work. Only way I see him being effective in a part-time role for us is as a goal-line qb.
    It all depends on what Sparano comes up with. If Tebow ever shows up on the field in an Hback position, or something similar, then no, the defense won't know exactly what we are doing.

    But, that said, even if he only comes on the field as a QB, teams still won't necessarily know what we are doing. Are we running QB power ? jet sweep ? Veer ? Inverted Veer ? Counter ? Trap ? Double option ? Triple option ? Or are we passing the ball ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes9 View Post
    It all depends on what Sparano comes up with. If Tebow ever shows up on the field in an Hback position, or something similar, then no, the defense won't know exactly what we are doing.

    But, that said, even if he only comes on the field as a QB, teams still won't necessarily know what we are doing. Are we running QB power ? jet sweep ? Veer ? Inverted Veer ? Counter ? Trap ? Double option ? Triple option ? Or are we passing the ball ?
    So Tebow basically has to line up at Running Back in order to make the wildcat work. Who the heck is going to buy that? Tebow wants to be a QB, the owner is in love with Tebow, the NFL wants Tebow as our QB, and we're going to run 5-10 plays per game with him as a HB to sell the wildcat? What a joke.

    Teams absolutely will know what we're doing - going through a helluva lot of work just to run a wildcat that gets us the same 3 and dust Greene or McKnight would have gotten.


    Your nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    So Tebow basically has to line up at Running Back in order to make the wildcat work. Who the heck is going to buy that?

    Teams absolutely will know what we're doing - going through a helluva lot of work just to run a wildcat that gets us the same 3 and dust Greene or McKnight would have gotten.


    Your nuts.
    Again, it all depends on what Sparano dials up. If it's straight WC, then all that has to happen is for Tebow to come in for 1 or 2 plays early. Line him up as FB/TB, or put Sanchez in the gun and have Tebow off to one side or the other as the RB. He doesn't even have to be involved in the play. You could run a PAP with Sanchez faking the ball to him.

    With that established, any other time that Tebow comes onto the field, and Sanchez stays out there, the defense won't know whether he's in as a QB running the WC, or as a RB. This affects their sub package decisions.

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    it's what ALL Jet fans hoped and prayed for since March 21... Mark Sanchez grows into a solid NFL starting QB... Tim Tebow grows into Brad Smith (with the same running and lack of passing ability but without the kickoff return ability)

    hopefully we have a great season with this combination followed by Mr Singh giving up on the Gabbert/Henne experiment and handing us a second round pick so that Timmy (and Demo, daballhawk, unwatched, monstersxman, joe w and the rest of his adoring desciples) can head south to Jacksonville to try and fill up their nearly empty stadium in 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    it's what ALL Jet fans hoped and prayed for since March 21... Mark Sanchez grows into a solid NFL starting QB... Tim Tebow grows into Brad Smith (with the same running and lack of passing ability but without the kickoff return ability)

    hopefully we have a great season with this combination followed by Mr Singh giving up on the Gabbert/Henne experiment and handing us a second round pick so that Timmy (and Demo, daballhawk, unwatched, monstersxman, joe w and the rest of his adoring desciples) can head south to Jacksonville to try and fill up their nearly empty stadium in 2013

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