Calling any organisation post 1945 "fascist" is a bit silly, an argument I think we've had elsewhere. Agree there are some organisations around now with I guess you'd call fascist overtones.
The tampering thing has been done to death and is one of Drugstrong's defences - needless to say its been ripped to shreds by the relevant scientists.
Talking about corruption and dishonesty in a lance thread and not referring to Drugstrong himself is pretty much laughable.
Raoul: fair enough, you are much closer to it than I am.
For him to win 7 titles clean whilst competing against an entire peleton of dopers simply defies logic.
The cash aspect will be interesting though....he supposedly will have to disgorge cash prizes. Can't imagine him willingly doing that.
All the guys who will receive the titles for those years were almost certainly on PED's themselves
Only one way to settle this.
Tour de Hampur
Or maybe just our best American vs. le Frenchman. A time trial of Raoul vs. the Hampur's best American cyclist....
Wow. This thread got ghey.
Frenchman Voeckler who won the best climber shirt). Some of Pantani’s records on some ascensions were broken.
Call me cynical, but if you think the Top 10 is clean, you're fooling yourself.
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Lance Armstrong > France, the Anti-Doping Nazis, and Tighty Bike Short Loving "Cycling" Fans supposed "integrity".
Cycling belongs in the same category as hotdog eating and cheerleading. I.e. ignored completely by legitimate sports fans.
Which it was before Armstrong. And which it now will be again.
Glad you think so.Calling any organisation post 1945 "fascist" is a bit silly, an argument I think we've had elsewhere. Agree there are some organisations around now with I guess you'd call fascist overtones.
Good for you.The tampering thing has been done to death and is one of Drugstrong's defences - needless to say its been ripped to shreds by the relevant scientists.
Another hero beaten by the rightious system who can (slectively) prosecute from now till eternity with no actual evidence outside what they create, and who have a vested interest in doing so to validate their own dubious existence and authority.Talking about corruption and dishonesty in a lance thread and not referring to Drugstrong himself is pretty much laughable.
Great. Joy. I am asure you have a massive hardon about it.
Anything else you want to add?
And not only that but who gives a fck? Seriously, we're getting perspective from a Frenchman here folks. Let's wise up. It's a bunch of dorks riding bicycles. You ever seen the attitude on those mother fckers? I laugh everytime I see those gimps wreck. Try passing one of those moroons on a busy street when they're in their "mountain stage climb" in flat as fck suburbia. They deserve to get hit with my side view mirrors as I yell, "Get on the sidewalk you fkn moroon!"
Fahq cycling. Off road, cool... pavement, ghey. No sport gets picked on as much as cycling in the south. We even tolerate soccer. Its not bad, but cycling, c'mon. Lawyers and other pretentious a$$holes in lycra shorts, riding with traffic so you can tell how fast they're not.
I personally hope Lance teabags the international committee with his empty sac, however, I could care less if any of them ever ride again. Not my thing.
I support Americans on an international scale b/c i'm a Homer. My town, my state, my country and anyone competing in the name there of,I'll support and defend til the end.
I hope he does run for Governor of Texas for the Republicans, as has been rumoured for years, and wins. The irony would be delicious.
But I wouldn't expect a resident of our former Penal Colony for the Criminally Unwanted to understand such complicated topics.
Now have a shrimp off the barbie, and a g'day, MATE!
I mean people not decended from castoff common criminals sent off to a prison island and who henceforth developed an unhealthy attraction the backside of the closest roo.By "legitimate sportsfans" I'm just assuming you mean American sportsfans, in which case I understand very well where you are coming from
Go poll your average UK/EURO soccer fan what they care about a bunch of losers riding bicycles.
Thus, your condescending attitude towards Americans is ironic because you're portraying the same traits in which you just railed against.
Didn't find the article but this blog comments on it. It's in French sorry but the jist is:
16 stage, Voeckler was between 375-390 watts during each climb and finished with a time of 5h 35′ 02″. Pantani finished the same stage in 5h 49′ 40″ (1988).
In the Col de Mente climb, Voeckler had a power output of 442 watts. 410 watts is considered the limit for clean cycling.