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    Get Jason Smith a Double Helmet!

    http://users.stargate.net/~aestraus/procap.html

    http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...to_lawren.html

    A few years ago, I remember watching a San Fran lineman playing with some sort of double helmet because of concussion issues. Essentially, it was a cap that went on top of his helmet. Best of all, it seemed to work and he played for a few more years.

    Definitely need to get one of those for Mr. Smith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digetydog View Post
    http://users.stargate.net/~aestraus/procap.html

    http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...to_lawren.html

    A few years ago, I remember watching a San Fran lineman playing with some sort of double helmet because of concussion issues. Essentially, it was a cap that went on top of his helmet. Best of all, it seemed to work and he played for a few more years.

    Definitely need to get one of those for Mr. Smith.
    Are you starting a collection to buy him one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digetydog View Post
    Best of all, it seemed to work and he played for a few more years.
    those things have no basis in science. the problem with concussions are the brain rattling around inside the skull. not the skull rattling around the helmet.

    either way Concussions are the least of jason smith's problems. His terribleness is not related to injuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    those things have no basis in science. the problem with concussions are the brain rattling around inside the skull. not the skull rattling around the helmet.

    either way Concussions are the least of jason smith's problems. His terribleness is not related to injuries.
    1) You are correct. A better helmet won't protect Smith from being Hunter II. That is on him.

    2) The reason that the brain rattles in the head is that the energy is transferred to the skull. If you can decrease the energy transferred to the skull, you can decrease the chances of a concussion. Indeed, that is why helmets are used in the first place.

    For a few guy particularly likely to suffer concussions, it is logical to increase the amount of padding by adding something like a ProCap.

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    [QUOTE=Digetydog;4569941]1) You are correct. A better helmet won't protect Smith from being Hunter II. That is on him.

    2) The reason that the brain rattles in the head is that the energy is transferred to the skull. If you can decrease the energy transferred to the skull, you can decrease the chances of a concussion. Indeed, that is why helmets are used in the first place.

    For a few guy particularly likely to suffer concussions, it is logical to increase the amount of padding by adding something like a ProCap.[/QUOTE

    would of been nice to have those for chrebet and toon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    those things have no basis in science. the problem with concussions are the brain rattling around inside the skull. not the skull rattling around the helmet.
    What do you think sets the brain rattling around in the skull? A forceful blow to the head.

    What do those helmets do? Decrease the force of blows to the head.

    Where do you get the idea that those helmets are useless? A source, or is it just based on your own knowledge of concussions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    those things have no basis in science. the problem with concussions are the brain rattling around inside the skull. not the skull rattling around the helmet.

    either way Concussions are the least of jason smith's problems. His terribleness is not related to injuries.
    The pad is a high density foam exterior "cap" that sits on top of the helmet. It works because the "rattle" of the blow to the head is absorbed somewhat by the foam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doggin94it View Post
    What do you think sets the brain rattling around in the skull? A forceful blow to the head.

    What do those helmets do? Decrease the force of blows to the head.

    Where do you get the idea that those helmets are useless? A source, or is it just based on your own knowledge of concussions?
    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    those things have no basis in science. the problem with concussions are the brain rattling around inside the skull. not the skull rattling around the helmet.

    either way Concussions are the least of jason smith's problems. His terribleness is not related to injuries.
    Quote Originally Posted by chiefst2000 View Post
    The pad is a high density foam exterior "cap" that sits on top of the helmet. It works because the "rattle" of the blow to the head is absorbed somewhat by the foam.
    LOL thanks for answering for Bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by doggin94it View Post

    Where do you get the idea that those helmets are useless? A source, or is it just based on your own knowledge of concussions?
    the science is spotty, maybe it works but it really hasn't been tested alot. Kelso even got another concussion wearing it. I just think the problems are in the fiber of the game and a better helmet doesn't really solve the problem.

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/sp...caps-to/nRKtP/

    Alot depends on the definition of concussion, a lineman might knock heads little hits 100 times a game and none of them diagnosed as a concussion. but it might cause later life problems regardless. there are brains in the brain bank from high schoolers with advanced CTE but never diagnosed officially with a single concussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    the science is spotty, maybe it works but it really hasn't been tested alot. Kelso even got another concussion wearing it. I just think the problems are in the fiber of the game and a better helmet doesn't really solve the problem.

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/sp...caps-to/nRKtP/

    Alot depends on the definition of concussion, a lineman might knock heads little hits 100 times a game and none of them diagnosed as a concussion. but it might cause later life problems regardless. there are brains in the brain bank from high schoolers with advanced CTE but never diagnosed officially with a single concussion.
    People do not always realize that a lot of concussions, especially those in linemen come from impact under the jaw and the sides of the jaw. Its not always a blow to the top or back of the head that causes a concussion.

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    You can get concussions a number of ways. It's not just receiving a blow. If your head is spun around quickly enough, you can get one. It's not about impact whether it's brain hitting skull and rattling.... it's more about sudden deceleration...check the science. They used to think you had to have the brain slamming back and forth in the skull but it's even simpler than that.

    When your brain suddenly decelerates, it causes brain cells to become "depolarized" and they start shooting off in random directions. Because it's random, your brain fills up with chemicals that will deaden memory receptors. Once you damage these receptors, you're likely to get more concussions. Your brain doesn't even need to rattle around. It just needs to accelerate and then stop suddenly.... spinning around, blows, etc.. all can cause a concussion.


    Those are the simplified facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    those things have no basis in science. the problem with concussions are the brain rattling around inside the skull. not the skull rattling around the helmet.

    either way Concussions are the least of jason smith's problems. His terribleness is not related to injuries.
    Brain function and mental health don't affect his performance on the field?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    the science is spotty, maybe it works but it really hasn't been tested alot. Kelso even got another concussion wearing it. I just think the problems are in the fiber of the game and a better helmet doesn't really solve the problem.

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/sp...caps-to/nRKtP/

    Alot depends on the definition of concussion, a lineman might knock heads little hits 100 times a game and none of them diagnosed as a concussion. but it might cause later life problems regardless. there are brains in the brain bank from high schoolers with advanced CTE but never diagnosed officially with a single concussion.
    You are correct in the assertion that OL generally do not get many really "hard" blows to the head when compared to someone like a RB or a LB. But, they do get a blow to the head on virtually every play.

    If you have a player on the OL who continues to suffer concussions using his current equipment, you have some choices:

    A) Keep doing what you are doing - we all know how that is likely to turn out; or

    B) Try using different equipment to change the outcome. That might be a ProCap or a different model/sized helmet. Either way, the only reason not to try is that you think that you will do more harm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digetydog View Post
    Either way, the only reason not to try is that you think that you will do more harm.
    and that theory also exists with the pro caps. Not more harm necessarily but different (neck) harm.

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    Safety? I'm far more concerned with Sanchez's ability to see over that Sputnik head.

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