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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet View Post
    Else GFY y STFU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyctomjetsfan View Post
    I liked both Romney's and Eastwood's speeches.

    Ryan on the other hand was insulting Americas intelligence with all that blatant factually incorrect jargon. You anticipate a certain amount of bull**** in these speeches but this guy overdid it to the point it was downright insulting.
    dude - you might want to google how "fact checking" on Ryan's speech turned out to be NOT fact checking at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post


    goin whole hog I see. In anticipation of 4 More Years?

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    Ryan's speech was filled with spin and carefully crafted innuendo, no different than we'll see in the upcoming DNC - yeah, he meant to tag Obama with the plant closing with anyone who didn't bother to check further, or rehash it as nauseum like we do, of course he did, but he didn't cross the line. He maintained 'plausible deniability', the good pols credo. It's when these guys accidentally break script and don't say what's been crafted/vetted that they get themselves into trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    I fell asleep at the end of Romney's speech. These things last too long. But up until that point I think he was doing a good job. I think overall it was a good night for the Romneys. I wish he had more personality b.c I think people would like him more. He is not much different than Obama, I laugh when people call him "extreme". I don't know why Dems are so threatened by him.
    Democrats are threatened by Mitt Romney because he's a complete sheep to the far right. Mitt Romney is definitely a moderate at heart. But he has no backbone and is so desperate to win over the very conservative base that he will spew any bull**** that appeals to them, even if it goes against Mitt's true beliefs (for example, ripping apart Obamacare when he set up a similar system as Gov. of Massachusetts). His campaign has been premised on this, and if he's elected, his presidency will be too, in all likelihood. How anyone can want our nation being run by an out-of-touch, uncharismatic fraud is beyond me.

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    And Clint Eastwood was just an utter embarrassment. I couldn't even sit through the whole speech. He's a nice metaphor for the current state of the Republican party. Old, outdated, washed up, bumbling, dying.
    Last edited by MCBNY; 09-01-2012 at 12:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quantum View Post
    dude - you might want to google how "fact checking" on Ryan's speech turned out to be NOT fact checking at all.
    Ryan wants more medicare cuts than the ones he criticized Obama for proposing. 500 billion proposed by Obama (over the next 10 years), 700 billion proposed by Ryan (over the next 10 years).

    Ryan voted against the Simpson-Bowles commission, a commission he was a part of, and then criticized the President for "shelving it".

    And then the final kicker, blaming the credit downgrade on the President, when at the very least, the GOP Congress contributed to downgrade by ransoming the debt ceiling - and "contributed" is generous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    Ryan wants more medicare cuts than the ones he criticized Obama for proposing. 500 billion proposed by Obama (over the next 10 years), 700 billion proposed by Ryan (over the next 10 years).

    Ryan voted against the Simpson-Bowles commission, a commission he was a part of, and then criticized the President for "shelving it".

    And then the final kicker, blaming the credit downgrade on the President, when at the very least, the GOP Congress contributed to downgrade by ransoming the debt ceiling - and "contributed" is generous.
    Ryan voted against Simpson Bowles because they refused to reccomend repeal of Obamacare. what possible deficit reduction and entitlement reform can be done in the face of a new entitlement that will cost over 500 billion per year on top of new taxes and higher premiums. Obama cuts medicare funding by 700 billion and SHIFTS THE FUNDS TO OBAMACARE. It leaves the medicare lockbox. Ryan's original plan cut the same 700 billion and uses the money to STRENGTHEN MEDCARE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCBNY View Post
    Democrats are threatened by Mitt Romney because he's a complete sheep to the far right. Mitt Romney is definitely a moderate at heart. But he has no backbone and is so desperate to win over the very conservative base that he will spew any bull**** that appeals to them, even if it goes against Mitt's true beliefs (for example, ripping apart Obamacare when he set up a similar system as Gov. of Massachusetts). His campaign has been premised on this, and if he's elected, his presidency will be too, in all likelihood. How anyone can want our nation being run by an out-of-touch, uncharismatic fraud is beyond me.

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    And Clint Eastwood was just an utter embarrassment. I couldn't even sit through the whole speech. He's a nice metaphor for the current state of the Republican party. Old, outdated, washed up, bumbling, dying.
    Kid don't take this the wrong way but your young stupid and lack any kind of compassion that real liberals stand for. If at any point in your life you can produce the kind of work that Clint has been producing in his 70's and 80's you will be considered an American Icon.

    Mitt's a decent guy running for President in what may be the least important election in over a century. Spare us the hate it's not needed unless you have real skin in the game. As you pointed out Mitt is a moderate and no threat to the social safety net. There is no way he could screw up the tax code any worse then it is today and our foreign policy is a complete mess right now with little direction and a war going very badly. We have a leadership vacuum and regardless of which of these 2 guys gets in, its likely to continue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    Kid don't take this the wrong way but your young stupid and lack any kind of compassion that real liberals stand for. If at any point in your life you can produce the kind of work that Clint has been producing in his 70's and 80's you will be considered an American Icon.
    You know the kid is brainless when his criterion for a president is that they should be "charismatic" and "in touch" whatever that means. A history of wildly successful endeavors in public and private ventures? Nah that means nothing. A charachter that is above reproach? Nah who cares. A history of charity and philanthropy that goes above and beyond? The personal stories we heard at the convention about helping the sick children, saving the daughter of his coworker that was OD'ing etc. Whatevs you. He aint as cool as Barry right?

    The ****ing country in the crapper. Our dominant position in the world is currently at risk. The most obvious and forseeable financial debt crisis is approaching. Lets elect the cool guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCBNY View Post
    How anyone can want our nation being run by an out-of-touch, uncharismatic fraud is beyond me...
    Shhhhh.

    Quiet down, bro...they might hear.


    Romney is a closet Liberal...they just THINK he's a conservative. Don't tip them off....

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefst2000 View Post
    Ryan voted against Simpson Bowles because they refused to reccomend repeal of Obamacare. what possible deficit reduction and entitlement reform can be done in the face of a new entitlement that will cost over 500 billion per year on top of new taxes and higher premiums. Obama cuts medicare funding by 700 billion and SHIFTS THE FUNDS TO OBAMACARE. It leaves the medicare lockbox. Ryan's original plan cut the same 700 billion and uses the money to STRENGTHEN MEDCARE.


    Hey Paul Ryan, Obamacare Doesn't Steal From Medicare


    To hear Paul Ryan’s speech at the Republican convention Wednesday night, you’d think President Obama was robbing from the elderly. “The greatest threat to Medicare is Obamacare, and we’re going to stop it,” Ryan told the crowd.

    He went on: “Even with all the hidden taxes to pay for the health-care takeover, even with new taxes on nearly a million small businesses, the planners in Washington still didn’t have enough money. They needed more. They needed hundreds of billions more. So they just took it all away from Medicare. Seven hundred and sixteen billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama.”

    The Romney campaign has been making this argument a lot lately. The $716 billion line gets people pretty riled up. When Ryan delivered it Wednesday, the convention floor roared. The problem is, the claim is flat-out wrong. “The Affordable Care Act doesn’t steal anything from Medicare,” Henry Aaron, a health-care expert at the Brookings Institution, tells me. “It actually improves Medicare’s finances. No matter how you slice it, the Affordable Care Act strengthens medical hospital insurance.”

    Here’s how: Money in the Medicare trust fund comes mostly from payroll taxes, premiums, and general revenue. The trust fund then pays that money out to health-care providers. Part of the trust fund was expected to go bankrupt by 2016. Obamacare actually saves it money in a variety of ways. From 2010 to 2019, Obamacare trims payments to providers by $196 billion. They agreed to take a cut because they will get so many new patients, thanks to the individual mandate. Another $210 billion will be generated by raising Medicare taxes on the wealthy (that’s households earning more than $250,000). Another $145 billion comes from phasing out overpayments to Medicare Advantage. About 25 percent of seniors use the program—in which private plans compete for Medicare dollars—instead of traditional fee-for-service Medicare. Under Obamacare, the government has to keep Medicare Advantage costs in line with those of traditional Medicare. More savings come from streamlining administrative costs.

    Paul Ryan is conflating cutting Medicare spending, which Obamacare does reduce, with cutting Medicare benefits—which Obamacare preserves. The spending cuts are in place to keep the system from going bankrupt. When the Congressional Budget Office scored the health-care law, it found that the law keeps Medicare’s trust fund solvent for eight more years, until 2024.

    Mitt Romney’s Medicare plan would also cap spending, for the same reason—to keep the program going. Romney would just do in a different way—by giving seniors the choice of traditional fee-for-service Medicare or a fixed benefit for purchasing private insurance. When Ryan proposed a very similar plan last year, the CBO said it would add a few thousand dollars to seniors’ out-of-pocket costs.

    Ryan said Wednesday night that “Medicare is a promise, and we will honor it.” What he didn’t say is that he proposed a policy that would … take money from seniors.
    http://www.businessweek.com/articles...-from-medicare

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    Lets put this in the most simplistic terms for you so you'll understand.

    Little Johnny is the Doctor and little Suzi is the patient, Little suzi's uncle Sam pays the doctor for a visit, the visit cost 1.00 of which 97 cent is costs and overhead for doctor Litte Johnny. Now Dear leader and supreme being of the world,Chairman Maobama tells little Suzi's uncle Sam he WILL now only pay Doctor little Johnny 92 cents for little Suzi's doctor's visit. Now what will Doctor Little Johnny do????

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCBNY View Post
    Democrats are threatened by Mitt Romney because he's a complete sheep to the far right.
    Proof (D) are at the least as big a bag of liars as (R).

    Mitt Milktoast Romney is as centrist RINO as you can get.

    And no, thats not a compliment.

    Trying to label him an "extreme Right Winger" is like trying to Label Mark Sanchez "An Extreme Hall of Famer".

    Anyone who pays attention (as in't in the pocket of (R) or (D)) will laugh at such sillyness.

    And Clint Eastwood was just an utter embarrassment. I couldn't even sit through the whole speech. He's a nice metaphor for the current state of the Republican party. Old, outdated, washed up, bumbling, dying.
    Indeed, and The Occupy Movement is a perfect exemplar of the current state of the (D) party, ignorant, collectivist, and blaming everyone but themselves for everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post

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    LOL! How sad to see Clint turn himself into such a joke. He was always came across as someone with a basic sense of common sense and avoided adopting the hysteria or open hate and bigotry of the fringes. He must have sipped the Kool Aid. Sad!

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    In addition, kid, providers did not "agree" to take lower payments and certainly would not because of the potential # of additional patients they might take on.

    Additional patients mean additional costs to providers and taxpayers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowSubmarine View Post
    LOL! How sad to see Clint turn himself into such a joke. He was always came across as someone with a basic sense of common sense and avoided adopting the hysteria or open hate and bigotry of the fringes. He must have sipped the Kool Aid. Sad!
    I thought Clint's speech was brilliant and so was Romney's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet View Post
    In addition, kid, providers did not "agree" to take lower payments and certainly would not because of the potential # of additional patients they might take on.

    Additional patients mean additional costs to providers and taxpayers.
    You've made the mistake of substituting 'patients' for 'insured'. Insurance companies agreed to accept a cut in their payments out of the medicare trust fund because the individual mandate would net them more customers, as health insurance is now mandated under penalty of tax (...John Roberts).

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    I thought Clint's speech was brilliant and so was Romney's.
    Good try at sarcasm Vincenzo

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