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    Quote Originally Posted by quantum View Post
    I think its farther along than you think. The word "Facts" are thrown around with authority, played with fast and loose. It used to be in logical fallacy territory, but its gotten much worse the last 5 or 6 years.

    And it goes hand in hand with "settled science"....
    The difference I think is right now we still have options--- alternative news sources.

    I think that what shocks, or saddens former soviet bloc immigrants to the USA that they see so much freedom of thought and expression and yet, people wrap themselves in groupthink cocoons-- they choose ignorance, and this pathological behavior is encouraged and rewarded by academics and journalists--- the very people who shouldn't be encouraging a rewarding such behavior.

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    ooops, my bad............

    Quote Originally Posted by neevsmazda07 View Post
    ...... but yet here you are in the "politics and world events" section?????
    i thought this was the jets and sports section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frequent Flyer View Post
    The difference I think is right now we still have options--- alternative news sources.

    I think that what shocks, or saddens former soviet bloc immigrants to the USA that they see so much freedom of thought and expression and yet, people wrap themselves in groupthink cocoons-- they choose ignorance, and this pathological behavior is encouraged and rewarded by academics and journalists--- the very people who shouldn't be encouraging a rewarding such behavior.
    agreed, but look at how many people still think that the major newspapers and news show are impartial. If you know there are spins, you have a fighting chance to determine the truth (or a close approximation).

    How many people will look at MSNBC (not just crazy libs), see NO minorities at the RNC convention and then decide the GOP is a Klan meeting in disguise? If the answer is greater than zero, that's too many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quantum View Post
    agreed, but look at how many people still think that the major newspapers and news show are impartial. If you know there are spins, you have a fighting chance to determine the truth (or a close approximation).

    How many people will look at MSNBC (not just crazy libs), see NO minorities at the RNC convention and then decide the GOP is a Klan meeting in disguise? If the answer is greater than zero, that's too many.
    If say a specific minority is 13% of a population and 95% is not for Romney that means that roughly 1 in 100 folks is for Romney-
    that is what a person with even a minimum of intelligence would expect to see.

    If you bother to count heads and see more than 1 in 100, say 5, 10, whatever, maybe approximating their national statistical #s and still assert otherwise, what do you call that? The truth?

    When a media outlet, say MSLSD, purposely omits minority speakers from its coverage and asserts they aren't present what do you call that. etc.

    Waiting to hear about how Eskimos and Yeti were underrepresented from lib media
    Last edited by Jungle Shift Jet; 08-31-2012 at 01:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neevsmazda07 View Post
    THE U.S. IS BORROWING OR PRINTING MORE than 40 cents of every dollar the government spends today. The math is simple: Federal spending must be cut not by millions or billions, but by trillions. And it must be done today.

    It's time to:

    Submit a Balanced Budget to Congress, not five or ten years down the road, but in 2013.
    End excessive spending, bloated stimulus programs, unnecessary farm subsidies, and earmarks.
    Reassess the role of the federal government and identify responsibilities that can be met more efficiently by the private sector.
    Recognize that you can't have limited government at home, but big government abroad.


    simple solution by the libretarian party and gary johnson
    Everyone wants to end "excess" spending, at home, at work, in government. No one wants to spend more than is necessary to accomplish what they want to accomplish in any aspect (past the point where there is no additional return). If that's your platform, deciding what falls under that category (and telling everyone) is where the rubber meets the road, and until you do that, "end excess spending" is just another piece of rhetoric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    I'm curious, what do you think is his purpose in Romney following the National Socialist model? Whats his "endgame" if you will? Hitler's was quite clear, Lebensraum (living space), racial purety, and the extermination of what he deemed "lesser" racial types. What is Romney/Ryan's goal?
    I'm sure it's the same, and they couldn't have chosen a more magnetic leader.




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    Quote Originally Posted by isired View Post
    I'm sure it's the same, and they couldn't have chosen a more magnetic leader.



    Lol.

    The man has no charisma of any kind.

    Shame that is a meaninful factor tbh, but it is what it is.

    As Bit always says, so much of our elections is a skin-deep popularity contest these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet View Post
    If say a specific minority is 13% of a population and 95% is not for Romney that means that roughly 1 in 100 folks is for Romney-
    that is what a person with even a minimum of intelligence would expect to see.

    If you bother to count heads and see more than 1 in 100, say 5, 10, whatever, maybe approximating their national statistical #s and still assert otherwise, what do you call that? The truth?

    When a media outlet, say MSLSD, purposely omits minority speakers from its coverage and asserts they aren't present what do you call that. etc.

    Waiting to hear about how Eskimos and Yeti were underrepresented from lib media
    first, there are a lot of minimum intelligence Americans. More that aren't interested in politics (see today's Bill OReilly column). Its very easy to brainwash enough people to screw up elections (2008 comes to mind).

    I still think its worse than you think it is. And I thought I was the optimist here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by isired View Post
    Everyone wants to end "excess" spending, at home, at work, in government. No one wants to spend more than is necessary to accomplish what they want to accomplish in any aspect (past the point where there is no additional return). If that's your platform, deciding what falls under that category (and telling everyone) is where the rubber meets the road, and until you do that, "end excess spending" is just another piece of rhetoric.
    i agree. thats why the government should not be hiding anything related to our nations fiscal strength. the american people should be able to know where every dollar they are taxed really goes and why it goes there in the first place. the sad part is alot of these politicians cant and in most cases wont tell the american public any straight answers. they love to answer your question with.... another question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennesawjet View Post
    fox................what planet do you hail from.
    I feel so bad for Obama. I mean, if he gets re-elected, look at the incredible mess he's going to inherit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakin318 View Post
    I feel so bad for Obama. I mean, if he gets re-elected, look at the incredible mess he's going to inherit.
    .... sad but true.... a plague on both their houses!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakin318 View Post
    I feel so bad for Obama. I mean, if he gets re-elected, look at the incredible mess he's going to inherit.
    That was good.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shakin318 View Post
    I feel so bad for Obama. I mean, if he gets re-elected, look at the incredible mess he's going to inherit.
    Biggest economic crises since the Great Depression and we were supposed to bounce back to normal growth/unemployment levels in four years?

    I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    Biggest economic crises since the Great Depression and we were supposed to bounce back to normal growth/unemployment levels in four years?

    I see.
    Obama got the biggest stimulus check in the history of the world to fix things. He wasted it and moved on to passing a healthcare bill that is flawed, weakens medicare irreparably and hated by most. Spare us the excuses. Does Barry even have a jobs plan? The answer is no. He promised 5 million new green energy jobs if he got the cash. He got the money and delivered 0 jobs. This excuse making is pathetic. Winter is coming for progressive liberalism. I personally am pining for the days when the Democrats followed the Clintonian model.

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    like this has happened..........

    Quote Originally Posted by neevsmazda07 View Post
    i agree. thats why the government should not be hiding anything related to our nations fiscal strength. the american people should be able to know where every dollar they are taxed really goes and why it goes there in the first place. the sad part is alot of these politicians cant and in most cases wont tell the american public any straight answers. they love to answer your question with.... another question.
    under any republician administration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefst2000 View Post
    Obama got the biggest stimulus check in the history of the world to fix things. He wasted it and moved on to passing a healthcare bill that is flawed, weakens medicare irreparably and hated by most. Spare us the excuses. Does Barry even have a jobs plan? The answer is no. He promised 5 million new green energy jobs if he got the cash. He got the money and delivered 0 jobs. This excuse making is pathetic. Winter is coming for progressive liberalism. I personally am pining for the days when the Democrats followed the Clintonian model.
    The stimulus has been criticized as being too small. In July 2010, a group of 40 prominent economists issued a statement calling for expanded stimulus programs to reduce unemployment. They also challenged the view that the priority should be reducing the deficit: "Making deficit reduction the first target, without addressing the chronic underlying deficiency of demand, is exactly the error of the 1930s."[95]

    In July 2010, the White House Council of Economic Advisers estimated that the stimulus had "saved or created between 2.5 and 3.6 million jobs as of the second quarter of 2010."[96] At that point, spending outlays under the stimulus totaled $257 billion and tax cuts totaled $223 billion.[97] In July 2011, the White House Council of Economic Advisers estimated that as of the first quarter of 2011,[98] the ARRA raised employment relative to what it otherwise would have been by between 2.4 and 3.6 million. The sum of outlays and tax cuts up to this point was $666 billion. Using a straight mathematical calculation, critics reported that the ARRA cost taxpayers between $185,000 to $278,000 per job that was created, though this computation does not include the permanent infrastructure that resulted.

    In August 2010, Republican Senators Tom Coburn and John McCain released a report listing 100 projects it described as the "most wasteful projects" funded by the Act. In total, the projects questioned by the two senators amounted to about $15 billion, or less than 2% of the $862 billion. The two senators did concede that the stimulus has had a positive effect on the economy, though they criticized it for failing to give "the biggest bang for our buck" on the issue of job creation. CNN noted that the two senators' stated objections were brief summaries presenting selective accounts that were unclear, and the journalists pointed out several instances where they created erroneous impressions.[99]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...nt_Act_of_2009

    The stimulus should have been bigger.

    If the Romney/Ryan philosophy of pre-New Deal American economic policy gets realized, they'll be jobs for us small folk alright - in the fracking industry and at Walmart.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y6TqxLmxIo

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennesawjet View Post
    under any republician administration.
    or democratic one.... the presidential elections in this country have become glorified popularity contests ala "american idol". its downright sickening. and this once proud nation takes another blow to its jaw.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...nt_Act_of_2009

    The stimulus should have been bigger.

    If the Romney/Ryan philosophy of pre-New Deal American economic policy gets realized, they'll be jobs for us small folk alright - in the fracking industry and at Walmart.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y6TqxLmxIo
    Its easy to ignore the fact that there are millions of oil service field jobs waiting if we just tap our resources. These are high paying jobs and would serve the folks getting laid off of their factory and construction jobs. You are ignorant to the attacks by the administration on businesses like Boeing that try to open factories in the US and are met with a confrontational rather then accomodative federal government. I can find liberal economists that will say anything. The idea that the stimulus was too small is absurd. What is Baracks jobs plan? Raising taxes? That is the solution for moonbats. The fact that you are arguing on the same side as these yellowsubmarine and mcbny charachters should give you pause to reconsider your position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    The stimulus should have been bigger.

    If the Romney/Ryan philosophy of pre-New Deal American economic policy gets realized, they'll be jobs for us small folk alright - in the fracking industry and at Walmart.
    This post says so much about the mindset of a Collectivist Big Government type.

    In just a few words, it so clearly states that no amount of Government spending/redistribution can be too much as long as THEY'RE the ones in charge of it, and of course......that the massive waste that comes along is simply part of the cost. How dare taxpayers even comment, don't they know it's for the greater good?

    And it says that the workers are apparently too good for jobs like oil industry and retail jobs like WalMart. A mindset that is such a core part of our current emplyment and immigration problems......jobs exist, but many Americans are too good to work them, hence importing illegals, and an endless stream of welfare for able bodies folks who refuse to work.

    All part of the Government Cradle ideal of the collectivists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    This post says so much about the mindset of a Collectivist Big Government type.

    In just a few words, it so clearly states that no amount of Government spending/redistribution can be too much as long as THEY'RE the ones in charge of it, and of course......that the massive waste that comes along is simply part of the cost. How dare taxpayers even comment, don't they know it's for the greater good?

    And it says that the workers are apparently too good for jobs like oil industry and retail jobs like WalMart. A mindset that is such a core part of our current emplyment and immigration problems......jobs exist, but many Americans are too good to work them, hence importing illegals, and an endless stream of welfare for able bodies folks who refuse to work.

    All part of the Government Cradle ideal of the collectivists.
    Raising a family on $7.50 an hour with no benefits is not good enough. It is especially not good enough when the employers, such as Walmart, could absolutely afford to pay decent benefits and choose not to.

    It has nothing to do with feeling that you are too good to work at a place like Walmart. There are many, many Americans who are forced to change careers because they lost their jobs-and do it. It is about trying to raise a family and asking only for decent health benefits. Why wont one of the most profitable companies in the world offer decent benefits? GREED.

    So continue to fight the good fight about collectivism and socialism and communism.

    And I will continue to bang the drums on the affects of corporate GREED on this country.

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