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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    Raising a family on $7.50 an hour with no benefits is not good enough. It is especially not good enough when the employers, such as Walmart, could absolutely afford to pay decent benefits and choose not to.

    It has nothing to do with feeling that you are too good to work at a place like Walmart. There are many, many Americans who are forced to change careers because they lost their jobs-and do it. It is about trying to raise a family and asking only for decent health benefits. Why wont one of the most profitable companies in the world offer decent benefits? GREED.

    So continue to fight the good fight about collectivism and socialism and communism.

    And I will continue to bang the drums on the affects of corporate GREED on this country.
    As property taxes, income taxes, sales taxes are driven higher and higher forcing many of these families to move..... GREED

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    As property taxes, income taxes, sales taxes are driven higher and higher forcing many of these families to move..... GREED
    Without question the special interest groups, like unions, have overstepped at times.

    But as usual, the hypocrisy in politics is in full display;

    conservatives will rail against the affects of special interest groups on the political system......and then see no fault in the actions of the NRA or mega corporations.

    they will bemoan a man like George Soras but defend the Koch Brothers.

    Or have disdain for Hollywood celebrities getting involved in politics and then cheer Clint Eastwood for his speech or Dennis Miller for his political comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    Without question the special interest groups, like unions, have overstepped at times.

    But as usual, the hypocrisy in politics is in full display;

    conservatives will rail against the affects of special interest groups on the political system......and then see no fault in the actions of the NRA or mega corporations.

    they will bemoan a man like George Soras but defend the Koch Brothers.

    Or have disdain for Hollywood celebrities getting involved in politics and then cheer Clint Eastwood for his speech or Dennis Miller for his political comments.

    you have a valid point... its just one big circle jerk over on pennsylvania ave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefst2000 View Post
    Its easy to ignore the fact that there are millions of oil service field jobs waiting if we just tap our resources. These are high paying jobs and would serve the folks getting laid off of their factory and construction jobs. You are ignorant to the attacks by the administration on businesses like Boeing that try to open factories in the US and are met with a confrontational rather then accomodative federal government. I can find liberal economists that will say anything. The idea that the stimulus was too small is absurd. What is Baracks jobs plan? Raising taxes? That is the solution for moonbats.
    I'm not saying we should outlaw oil drilling. I'm saying if we had it the GOP way, we'd drill wherever, however, regardless of the environment.

    There is no plan for investment in alternative energy from Republican candidates. They're "all-in" on fossil fuels.

    And yes, the stimulus should have been larger and it would be nice if your side contributed in crafting it other than "no, unless it's all tax cuts and deregulation".

    And Boeing:

    About seven years ago, Boeing was ramping up to build its newest passenger jet, the 787 Dreamliner. The company explored making all the planes at its factories in Washington state, but in 2009, it decided to start a second, smaller production line in South Carolina. The union plants in Puget Sound would make seven planes a month; the non-union facility in North Charleston, S.C. would produce three a month.

    The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers complained. The NLRB’s general counsel tried to bring the parties together, but failed. In April 2011, the general counsel’s office formally started a hearing process against Boeing on the grounds that the company built its factory in South Carolina in order to punish the union. Retaliation of that sort, if proven, violates federal labor law.

    In December 2011, the union and Boeing struck a four-year deal that that provided raises, job protections and a commitment to make more planes in the Puget Sound area. With the South Carolina plant no longer seen as a threat to jobs in Washington state, the union dropped its complaint and the NLRB general counsel ended the hearing process.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...labor-dispute/

    Quote Originally Posted by chiefst2000 View Post
    The fact that you are arguing on the same side as these yellowsubmarine and mcbny charachters should give you pause to reconsider your position.
    I don't speak for them, and they don't speak for me. Just the same as you don't speak for/aren't spoken for by FrequentFlyer, DeanPatsFan and Acepepe.

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    Obama's energy policies have been awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    This post says so much about the mindset of a Collectivist Big Government type.

    In just a few words, it so clearly states that no amount of Government spending/redistribution can be too much as long as THEY'RE the ones in charge of it, and of course......that the massive waste that comes along is simply part of the cost. How dare taxpayers even comment, don't they know it's for the greater good?
    No, that's not what I stated. I said the stimulus should have been larger. That's because we're trying to rebound from the biggest financial collapse since the Great Depression.

    You can comment all you like, Warfish, but if you're going to twist "the stimulus should have been larger" to "no amount of government spending/redistribution can be too much as long as they're controlling it", than you might as well not comment.

    It's not like I'm suggesting a huge stimulus in 2004, 1994, 1984 or pretty much any year other than 1930 and 2009.

    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    And it says that the workers are apparently too good for jobs like oil industry and retail jobs like WalMart. A mindset that is such a core part of our current emplyment and immigration problems......jobs exist, but many Americans are too good to work them, hence importing illegals, and an endless stream of welfare for able bodies folks who refuse to work.

    All part of the Government Cradle ideal of the collectivists.
    I brought up Fracking because it's an environmentally risky process to acquire 19th century fuel sources. If the jobs we create are environmentally destructive and limited to the fossil fuel industry, yea then I think that's a short-term solution to a long term problem, with the clear potential for collateral damage (not in the Pentagon definition of that phrase).

    And yea, creating retail jobs for a giant corporations is not my idea of supporting the middle-class or quality job creation.

    And don't give me the "Americans are too good to work for them". I've worked at retail in High School and College (The Dairy Barn - small drive-thru food market, The Sports Authority) and I worked landscaping and construction after College - because I graduated just a year after the financial meltdown). Perhaps only in construction, if I had stayed in Colorado, would I be middle-class.

    We are not looking to train the next generation of Americans to do retail and landscaping.
    Last edited by SafetyBlitz; 09-02-2012 at 12:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    Without question the special interest groups, like unions, have overstepped at times.

    But as usual, the hypocrisy in politics is in full display;

    conservatives will rail against the affects of special interest groups on the political system......and then see no fault in the actions of the NRA or mega corporations.

    they will bemoan a man like George Soras but defend the Koch Brothers.

    Or have disdain for Hollywood celebrities getting involved in politics and then cheer Clint Eastwood for his speech or Dennis Miller for his political comments.
    If you think itís far-fetched to suggest that a teachers union could play the role of political kingmaker, think again. The largest political campaign spender in America is not a megacorporation, such as Wal-Mart, Microsoft, or ExxonMobil. It isnít an industry association, like the American Bankers Association or the National Association of Realtors. Itís not even a labor federation, like the AFL-CIO. If you combine the campaign spending of all those entities it does not match the amount spent by the National Education Association, the public-sector labor union that represents some 2.3 million KĖ12 public school teachers and nearly a million education support workers (bus drivers, custodians, food service employees), retirees, and college student members. NEA members alone make up more than half of union members working for local governments, by far the most unionized segment of the U.S. economy.

    http://educationnext.org/the-long-re...achers-unions/



    and our education system fails this country day in...day out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    If you think itís far-fetched to suggest that a teachers union could play the role of political kingmaker, think again. The largest political campaign spender in America is not a megacorporation, such as Wal-Mart, Microsoft, or ExxonMobil. It isnít an industry association, like the American Bankers Association or the National Association of Realtors. Itís not even a labor federation, like the AFL-CIO. If you combine the campaign spending of all those entities it does not match the amount spent by the National Education Association, the public-sector labor union that represents some 2.3 million KĖ12 public school teachers and nearly a million education support workers (bus drivers, custodians, food service employees), retirees, and college student members. NEA members alone make up more than half of union members working for local governments, by far the most unionized segment of the U.S. economy.

    http://educationnext.org/the-long-re...achers-unions/



    and our education system fails this country day in...day out.
    this is enlightening bro thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    If you think itís far-fetched to suggest that a teachers union could play the role of political kingmaker, think again. The largest political campaign spender in America is not a megacorporation, such as Wal-Mart, Microsoft, or ExxonMobil. It isnít an industry association, like the American Bankers Association or the National Association of Realtors. Itís not even a labor federation, like the AFL-CIO. If you combine the campaign spending of all those entities it does not match the amount spent by the National Education Association, the public-sector labor union that represents some 2.3 million KĖ12 public school teachers and nearly a million education support workers (bus drivers, custodians, food service employees), retirees, and college student members. NEA members alone make up more than half of union members working for local governments, by far the most unionized segment of the U.S. economy.

    http://educationnext.org/the-long-re...achers-unions/



    and our education system fails this country day in...day out.
    I don't disagree

    My whole point is that if you are going to rail about the effects of the unions (any and all of them) then you cannot turn a blind eye to the same improprieties done by mega corporations.

    Stop it all and give the power back to the people. Instead we are left with a populace that cannot see clearly because they are coked up on party propaganda disguised as "news". If the unions voted and donated overwhelmingly to conservatives instead of dems, 3/4 of the people who are anti-union would be pro-union. The same goes for the liberals who mindlessly watch MSNBC thinking they are being "informed".

    The average citizen in any country is only as informed as their main stream media allows them to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    I don't disagree

    My whole point is that if you are going to rail about the effects of the unions (any and all of them) then you cannot turn a blind eye to the same improprieties done by mega corporations.

    Stop it all and give the power back to the people. Instead we are left with a populace that cannot see clearly because they are coked up on party propaganda disguised as "news". If the unions voted and donated overwhelmingly to conservatives instead of dems, 3/4 of the people who are anti-union would be pro-union. The same goes for the liberals who mindlessly watch MSNBC thinking they are being "informed".

    The average citizen in any country is only as informed as their main stream media allows them to be.
    You mean the media that would not cover the many minority speakers at the DNC or cover the 2016 movie?

    Our people are educated by paid off liberals who have NO interest in teaching the people to think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    You mean the media that would not cover the many minority speakers at the DNC or cover the 2016 movie?

    Our people are educated by paid off liberals who have NO interest in teaching the people to think.
    Please tell me up front if you think that the 2016 movie was anything more then a propaganda piece so that I can stop responding. The bias and brainwashing takes place on both sides. Fox's coverage of the RNC was embarrassing even for their standards. I likened it to listening to Susan Waldman introducing Roger Clemens which only makes sense considering that YES is owned by the Yankees as FOX is owned by conservatives.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV3NhT0oXzY
    Last edited by intelligentjetsfan; 09-02-2012 at 12:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    You mean the media that would not cover the many minority speakers at the DNC or cover the 2016 movie?

    Our people are educated by paid off liberals who have NO interest in teaching the people to think.
    Didn't I hear that Fox also cut away from the minority speakers? Could it be that some of them were just the less compelling speakers when measured against the group?

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    Quote Originally Posted by isired View Post
    Didn't I hear that Fox also cut away from the minority speakers? Could it be that some of them were just the less compelling speakers when measured against the group?
    No, its a conspiracy by the collectivists trying to finish what they started and change the United States into a communist society. The great American Joesph McCarthy, bless his heart, is probably turning over in his grave.


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    Quote Originally Posted by parafly View Post
    You are correct, but I thought there was a clear insinuation that the factory closed due an Obama policies and broken promises. It was misleading at best.
    With all the Bush blame I seem to remeber we had an election for Congress in 2006 before the factory was closed and well before the economic crash. I believe Senator Obama was a member of the Democratic majorities in both the House and Senate during the failure of that plant and the implossion of the entire economy.

    Seems to me there is plenty of blame for the mess we were in before Obama became President and exactly none of it falls on Mitt Romney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isired View Post
    Didn't I hear that Fox also cut away from the minority speakers? Could it be that some of them were just the less compelling speakers when measured against the group?
    of course all have to cut away for commercials and regular programming but the cut away from FOX was no where near as severe as the unbiased independent media.

    Do you have a link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    Please tell me up front if you think that the 2016 movie was anything more then a propaganda piece so that I can stop responding. The bias and brainwashing takes place on both sides. Fox's coverage of the RNC was embarrassing even for their standards. I likened it to listening to Susan Waldman introducing Roger Clemens which only makes sense considering that YES is owned by the Yankees as FOX is owned by conservatives.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV3NhT0oXzY
    Honestly...I barely watched. When I did...CSPAN. I watch from say 9 to 10 and I refuse to watch hannity. I would watch Maddow over Hannity if I had to choose. But, for me...... I have no union, pay all my own health insurance and pension, got no aid for childrens college and so I vote for what works to create more jobs and less government spending. Regardless of party.
    Last edited by southparkcpa; 09-02-2012 at 02:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    of course all have to cut away for commercials and regular programming but the cut away from FOX was no where near as severe as the unbiased independent media.

    Do you have a link?
    No, it was here that I heard it discussed, in a thread on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isired View Post
    No, it was here that I heard it discussed, in a thread on this forum.

    Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
    You do see the humor in that right. Quoting an Internet source...ISIRED finds that......

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    Quote Originally Posted by isired View Post
    Didn't I hear that Fox also cut away from the minority speakers? Could it be that some of them were just the less compelling speakers when measured against the group?
    Of course they did.

    But it won't stop "people" from shrilling like brides at the entrance of a Filene's Basement Sale.

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