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    I'm sure Woody pushed for the trade at least partially for marketing purposes. But Tebow can still help the team on Sundays, hopefully enough to justify the distractions that come with him. We'll just have to wait and see, too early to say whether he was a good or bad pickup.

    David Lee is with Buffalo now so I'm really interested in seeing how prepared Buffalo's defense is for the WC, or whatever it is we're going to use Tebow for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelioion View Post
    Exactly the guy went to the Vikings the next year and went to the Championship game. He wasn't finished yet.

    Sure they made a splash but we all knew Pennington wasn't the guy...

    Was Denver bringing in Manning a Publicity Stunt?
    Don't equate one to the other. Farve only came here for one year in order to get out of the non-compete clause in his contract. mannings toplay for Denver, Farve wanted to play for Minny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    Yup 8-3 and having beaten the Pats and then the undefeated Titans. The Favre thing fell to pieces (partly due to his injury, partly due to some very dubious coaching down the stretch). It was far from just a pub stunt.
    You know people are so quick to point out that they might sell a few extra shirts. So? They would get the same money from the league if #4 Minny shirts are sold.

    I do think that the best marketing for a team is to win and Favre gave the Jets a better chance of winning so they went for it.

    Yankees sign high priced, big named players all the time. The same people who rip the Favre signing think the Yanks, doing the same thing as the Jets do it to win. Not to fill their greedy pockets. Just the Jets. Amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    Make no mistake...BB's evaluation of the 2 owners was probably FIRST with no close second in his decision.

    Woody is basically a small cut above Al Davis and is on par wth that micro manager from Dallas. Dallas has done nothing since the cap has been put in place.
    That is a silly comment. Al Davis had done everything there is to do in football. There aren't too many football people that knew the game as well as him. He was a hall of famer . HE built one of the most successful franchises . Woody Johnson knows as much football as the average fan. Wow can't believe you would even make a statement like that. Unbelievable.
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    BB left the jets for 2 reasons, Parcell's not retiring but moving to a GM Role and the team being for sale. If Hess would have been still around he would have stood. There was no way he wanted to take over a team, have parcells control the personnel and for an owner who might turn out to be hands on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider9175 View Post
    That is a silly comment. Al Davis had done everything there is to do in football. There aren't too many football people that knew the game as well as him. He was a hall of famer . HE built one of the most successful franchises . Woody Johnson knows as much football as the average fan. Wow can't believe you would even make a statement like that. Unbelievable.
    That's true up until the last 10 years though. He stuck around too long and became a caricature of what he once was. It's a shame that's how a lot of people remember him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Nut View Post
    Plax, nonsense.

    Tebow, you might want to let it play out before telling everyone how it will turn out giving youre guessing

    Favre, no one complained until his arm blew out. When the Jets were coming off a win in NE, in first, no one called it dumb.
    All three moves were detrimental to developing a team.

    Favre: Already drafted a QB (Clemens) in the second round waiting to step in to see what he could do. Wasted pick when Favre arrived.

    Plex: Would have rather developed Kerly along with Sanchez. Got them used to eachother. Kerley development was slowed tremendously last season because Plax was in front of him.

    Tebow: When the silver spooned owner, who doesnt know jack about football, wants more Tebow you know it will be at the expense of Sanchez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copernicus View Post
    All three moves were detrimental to developing a team.

    1.)Favre: Already drafted a QB (Clemens) in the second round waiting to step in to see what he could do. Wasted pick when Favre arrived.

    2.) Plex: Would have rather developed Kerly along with Sanchez. Got them used to eachother. Kerley development was slowed tremendously last season because Plax was in front of him.

    3.) Tebow: When the silver spooned owner, who doesnt know jack about football, wants more Tebow you know it will be at the expense of Sanchez.
    1. Clemens. LOL.

    2. Burress and Kerley play two different positions.

    3. Excellent point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Crable View Post
    1. Clemens. LOL.

    2. Burress and Kerley play two different positions.

    3. Excellent point.
    1. Clemens got screwed by the JETS. They took him in the second round. High enough draft pick to surround him with enough help to develop. He played about half the season behind a god awful OLINE (sound familiar) and then immediately sat behind Favre once Woody fell in love. Much of the NFL is about timing. Right place, right time. Clemens never had a chance. Just because Clemens hasnt developed somewhere else doesnt necessarily mean he couldnt have with the JETS.

    2. If not Kerley than any other Wr with potential that the JETS had (Turner?) or could have signed/picked up after cuts. I would have given an undrafted rookie/practice squad Wr a chance to develop before Plaxico Burress. We had no chance of our own "Victor Cruz" diamond in the rough because Plax was taking up a starting spot. Just a foolish signing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by positive View Post
    Alright enough already with this crap; both from the media and our fan base. Tebow will do some good things for the offense, may get a first down or two in punt formation, and will punch it in from the five yard line and will help the running game.

    Let's stop whining before the season even begins.
    well said and I agree. You can bet that the op is a Sanchez fan. No matter who we bring in at backup QB he will feel the wrath of Mark's hero worshipers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Crable View Post
    1. Clemens. LOL.

    2. Burress and Kerley play two different positions.

    3. Excellent point.
    You laugh at Clemens and never admit that he played on a far woret team then your hero does currently! Yet you make excuses for Sanchez all day long! Very diplomatic!!!!If Mark played with the OL clemens played with he'd be retired now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlTimeGiantFanFromLongAgo View Post
    No. He said this yesterday. Jets season ticket holders should demand he sell the team after hearing that. He's clearly a moron with some of the things he continues to say.
    The team was clearly so much better before he took over as owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copernicus View Post
    All three moves were detrimental to developing a team.

    Favre: Already drafted a QB (Clemens) in the second round waiting to step in to see what he could do. Wasted pick when Favre arrived.

    Plex: Would have rather developed Kerly along with Sanchez. Got them used to eachother. Kerley development was slowed tremendously last season because Plax was in front of him.

    Tebow: When the silver spooned owner, who doesnt know jack about football, wants more Tebow you know it will be at the expense of Sanchez.
    Your Favre and Plax points are silly. Favre was the best shot at wining. Thats important until someone wants to make an argument like this into hurting someones development. How sitting behind Favre would hurt Clemmens is beyond silly. I see how Rodgers development was ruined doing that for 4 years. And funny how you want to pin Plax on Woody. There is nothing that says he pushed for it and more to the point not a single reason from am marketing perspective to make the move.

    More telling is whining over and over about silver spooned owner. As if there are poor owners. And owners who are football experts.

    But somehow, this medling, silver spooned owner has won more than most have during his years as owner. Hasn't won the big one, true, but more non losing seasons and playoff appearances than most.

    And doubled the value of his team at the same time.

    Yup, he owns a winning team, has billions, keeps making more money, you're on the internet complaining and he knows jack.

    Got to laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Jet View Post
    You laugh at Clemens and never admit that he played on a far woret team then your hero does currently! Yet you make excuses for Sanchez all day long! Very diplomatic!!!!If Mark played with the OL clemens played with he'd be retired now!
    Clemens played on the same team as a rookie Sanchez. Was outplayed by a rookie QB in the preseason and did nothing when filling in for the injured Sanchez during the regular season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copernicus View Post
    1. Clemens got screwed by the JETS. They took him in the second round. High enough draft pick to surround him with enough help to develop. He played about half the season behind a god awful OLINE (sound familiar) and then immediately sat behind Favre once Woody fell in love. Much of the NFL is about timing. Right place, right time. Clemens never had a chance. Just because Clemens hasnt developed somewhere else doesnt necessarily mean he couldnt have with the JETS.

    2. If not Kerley than any other Wr with potential that the JETS had (Turner?) or could have signed/picked up after cuts. I would have given an undrafted rookie/practice squad Wr a chance to develop before Plaxico Burress. We had no chance of our own "Victor Cruz" diamond in the rough because Plax was taking up a starting spot. Just a foolish signing.

    This is freaking ridiculous. They got Favre for the same reason that Denver signed Manning. Both are 1st ballot HoF'ers who still have/had gas in the tank.

    I guess if Aaron Rodgers suddenly decided that he wanted out of GB and was on the market, if Woody wanted to go after him, you'd say that it was all about publicity and whine about someone else getting mistreated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CleatMarks View Post
    That's true up until the last 10 years though. He stuck around too long and became a caricature of what he once was. It's a shame that's how a lot of people remember him.
    Al Davis always had an eye for talent and even the last ten years did a pretty good job in that department. Two areas where he struggled. The main one was his incistance on what type of defense they had to play. HE couldn't let go of his outdated system on defense. You took the Raider job and it was understood how you were going to play.(you weren't going to blitz that much)

    That control over the defense and personnel and Raiders lost a chance on alot of candidates that were up for the job. He had to settle at the headcoach position and when you keep changing coaches that frequently your not going to be successful.

    That point about the defense will never be more apparent than this year. Raiders defense scheme is a lot better now and puts guys in position to be successful. This raiders defense will be light years better than the one they put out there the last ten years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    If the Jets use the guy the way they should the naysayers will have to reevaluate. The guy has been money down near the goal line, his QB/Wildcat causes teams problems and he can make big plays with his feet when needed.

    If Sanchez gets hurt we are in trouble at Qb that is for sure but having this guy on the team is a good thing.
    Correct.

    You should've said, "A $hitstorm's a brewin' Randy."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetsFanatic View Post
    The team was clearly so much better before he took over as owner.
    Any Jets fan who either likes Woody Johnson or thinks he's done a good job as an owner, doesn't care about winning either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlTimeGiantFanFromLongAgo View Post
    Any Jets fan who either likes Woody Johnson or thinks he's done a good job as an owner, doesn't care about winning either.
    totally agree. we are a losing franchise for over 43 yrs. until we get some new leadership on top, dont expect anything to change. SOJ forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlTimeGiantFanFromLongAgo View Post
    Any Jets fan who either likes Woody Johnson or thinks he's done a good job as an owner, doesn't care about winning either.
    Sure, because he hasn't won or tried to win.

    Go back to the Giants board, only a loser would jump from one of these teams to another and then whine about the team who's wagon he jumped to.

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