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Thread: Cimini: Roster analysis: Curious and surprising

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    So it's now that's their logic behind the move not the $150K?
    Why can't there be multiple reasons?

    Again, I don't want to make it seem like I am claiming that Tanny is ruining the franchise. This is just a discussion about today's events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    You mean picks 202, 203, 242 & 244?

    1 is on the PS...AAllen, if he clears waivers, will also be on the PS..
    I am fairly confident that there will be some real players.....NFL players with good careers who were drafted after 202. Easy to pot? Of course not and know one expects all hits.

    My point is simply that given the fact that the league is composed 50 percent of players 6th round and after.... 4 misses is not what I believe is acceptable on an ongoing basis.

    I know you are knowledgeable, more than I, but I am confident you see my point at least partially agree as well. No?

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    I'm annoyed Jordan White's not on the 53 man

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    Why can't there be multiple reasons?

    Again, I don't want to make it seem like I am claiming that Tanny is ruining the franchise. This is just a discussion about today's events.
    CMART is relatively fair but the Kool aid drinkers here are blinded by what I see as clear moves by JETS management that is puzzling. Anyone who critiques Tanny or Rex is a naysayer troll in their eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamaicanJetFan View Post
    I'm annoyed Jordan White's not on the 53 man
    He didn't show much during the pre-season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    I am fairly confident that there will be some real players.....NFL players with good careers who were drafted after 202. Easy to pot? Of course not and know one expects all hits.

    My point is simply that given the fact that the league is composed 50 percent of players 6th round and after.... 4 misses is not what I believe is acceptable on an ongoing basis.

    I know you are knowledgeable, more than I, but I am confident you see my point at least partially agree as well. No?
    Absolutely....And the Jets staff found UDFAs Harrison, Mauga, McIntyre, Bellore and signed Austin Howard off Balt's PS..

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    CMART is relatively fair but the Kool aid drinkers here are blinded by what I see as clear moves by JETS management that is puzzling. Anyone who critiques Tanny or Rex is a naysayer troll in their eyes.
    Yes----remember, there are a handful of true believers on this channel who would follow Rex into a burning house to save his bottle of Viagra. I just ignore them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    CMART is relatively fair but the Kool aid drinkers here are blinded by what I see as clear moves by JETS management that is puzzling. Anyone who critiques Tanny or Rex is a naysayer troll in their eyes.
    And anybody who doesn't criticize the team is a kool aid drinker.

    Save it, your only posts on this board reek of *****ing, moaning, and often times, clueless and baseless tantrums of doom and gloom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    And anybody who doesn't criticize the team is a kool aid drinker.

    Save it, your only posts on this board reek of *****ing, moaning, and often times, clueless and baseless tantrums of doom and gloom.
    Do us both a favor and put me on ignore. You may be the most judgemental and disrespectful poster I have ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stanner View Post
    Last year, Rex an Co got schidt on for hanging on to non productive players to "save face" because they were hand picked. This year....
    The solution to this problem would be to draft better players.

    Tanny's draft record since he started has been pretty crappy, even giving him full credit for two long-term starters in 2006.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    The solution to this problem would be to draft better players.

    Tanny's draft record since he started has been pretty crappy, even giving him full credit for two long-term starters in 2006.
    careful...the Kool aid drinkers will be on you in 3,2,1.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by stanner View Post
    Last year, Rex an Co got schidt on for hanging on to non productive players to "save face" because they were hand picked. This year....
    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    Absolutely....And the Jets staff found UDFAs Harrison, Mauga, McIntyre, Bellore and signed Austin Howard off Balt's PS..
    My thoughts exactly. Yes, they are cutting the late round picks that also can't beat out UDFAs.

    It's 6 of one...

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    Dixon getting cut means that the young pups are ready to roll. I take it as a positive.

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    I'm not saying they will do this but maybe the Jets like some younger players on DL and don't want to guarantee Dixon's salary for the full year. Can't they bring Dixon back after week one and not have to guarantee his salary for the year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    1. Releasing Marcus Dixon. Unless I'm missing something, this makes no sense. The Jets finally had developed some quality depth on the defensive line -- a must in the NFL, as the Giants have proven -- but they cut their fourth- or fifth-best lineman. Dixon isn't a budding star, but he's a versatile backup, capable of playing inside or outside. Clearly, they think Kenrick Ellis is ready to become a major contributor, but Dixon still had value. It's hard to imagine his modest salary ($540,000) was a factor, but I'm telling you, the Jets are pinching pennies even though they have cap room.

    2. Another pick bites the dust. S Antonio Allen (seventh-round pick) was waived Saturday, bringing the total of waived draft picks to four -- half the draft. He joined RB Terrance Ganaway, OT Robert Griffin and WR Jordan White. Either the Jets did a poor job of drafting, or GM Mike Tannenbaum has developed a different philosophy with regard to roster management. You don't want to go crazy over a bunch of sixth- and seventh-round picks, but in the past, Tannenbaum treated draft picks like gold bars. In his previous six drafts (a total of 33 selections), he cut only three picks before opening day -- WR Scotty McKnight (2011), OT Nate Garner (2008) and DT Titus Adams (2006). He esclipsed that total in 24 hours this year.

    3. Swinging Gates. The headline acquisition of the day -- if you could call it that -- is former Dolphins WR/KR Clyde Gates, whom they acquired on waivers. He will be reunited with Tony Sparano. Gates was a fourth-round pick with sub-4.4 speed. With him and rookie Stephen Hill, the Jets have a pair of burners on the outside. But ask yourself this: Why did the receiver-needy Dolphins cut him? He could contribute as a kickoff returner, but one personnel executive questioned whether Gates will be a good fit for special teams coach Mike Westhoff. The knock on Gates, a former basketball player, is that he doesn't have a football mentality.

    4. Another BFF from the OC. The new McKnight is TE Konrad Reuland, who played high-school ball with Mark Sanchez in Orange County's Mission Viejo, Calf. The Jets got him on waivers from the 49ers. They needed a No. 3 tight end to replace the injured Josh Baker; to make room for Reuland, they released Dedrick Epps, according to The Star-Ledger. If they re-sign McKnight, they can have a Mission Viejo reunion.

    5. Tony's take. Obviously Sparano had an impact, even on the defensive side of the ball. They acquired NT Isaako Aaitui on waivers from Miami, where he spent time last season on the practice squad under Sparano. Aaitui had a solid preseason -- four tackles, one sack and three QB hits. He could end up dressing for games as the sixth lineman.

    6. Practice squad. The Jets re-signed TE Hayden Smith, the former rugby player, and added him to the practice squad. Smith loved the move, even though he'll be making about $17,000 less per week than a roster player. "Great way for me to keep working toward making this dream a reality," he tweeted. The Jets also re-signed CB Donnie Fletcher to the practice squad, and they hope to do the same with Allen if he clears waivers.

    7. The Saturday recap. Summarizing the "mini-draft," the Jets added Gates, Aaitui and Reuland and released Dixon, Epps and Allen. They have 25 players on offense, 25 on defense, plus three specialists -- and there could be more moves to come.

    The Jets confirmed the three acquisitions and three releases. They also announced their practice squad: OT Paul Cornick, LB Marcus Dowtin, DB Donnie Fletcher, WR Royce Pollard, LB Ricky Sapp, TE Hayden Smith and WR Jordan White.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jet...medium=twitter


    Hey Rich, doesn't #5 explain #1???
    Dixon was cut because of Damon Harrison who I believe has alot more upside then Dixon.

    Is Cimini really that f_cking stupid???

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARodFLKeysJetsFan View Post
    Dixon was cut because of Damon Harrison who I believe has alot more upside then Dixon.

    Is Cimini really that f_cking stupid???
    Perhaps a bit of sanity from ARod.

    Did I just say that out loud?!

    But seriously, three years ago our DL was paper-thin. Since then Tanny has drafted 3 DL in high rounds (Wilk, Kenrick, Coples) and all three appear to be panning out pretty well from what we've seen. We still have some solid veterans and some pretty interesting late-round, UDFA or waiver wire pickups including Damon Harrison who almost everyone wanted to see kept and many were moaning about when rumors had him cut. We even bemoaned cutting Richardson because we had TOO MUCH DEPTH at DL.

    So now we're going to have a hissy-fit about a backup in this DL that went from a major weakness to a strength in under 3 years. And we're going to cite Cimini as our supporting analyst? Really?

    Do you feel just a bit stupider now? I do because I read this crap every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    Do us both a favor and put me on ignore. You may be the most judgemental and disrespectful poster I have ever seen.
    So when lashing out at a player, or a coach and criticize a move the team makes or doesnt make, when called out on it, you accuse that person of being a troll or a kool aid drinker, that's not being judgmental or disrespectful?

    It must be great in your world to ***** and moan in a public forum and never be taken to task on it.

    Last edited by Ray Ray19; 09-02-2012 at 08:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pats1960 View Post
    Tebow will end up being your savior.
    Are you talking in a religious context or a football context ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    So when lashing out at a player, or a coach and criticize a move the team makes or doesnt make, and get called out on it, you accuse that person a troll or a kool aid drinker,that's not being judgmental?

    I term kool aid drinker but I have never said it to one person directrly...it is a generic term for those who believe mediocrity is OK. Look at your posts, you have called me and others "names" directly more than half the time.

    I have NEVER to a JETS fan called them a moron etc as others have...the kool aid drinkers on this site are the notorious for personal attacks. Notice, I didnt say you.

    I dont do that to JETS fans. I state my opinion. You sir...in almost ALL posts make a negative comment to the poster. It is very telling IMO of a person in how he deals with people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARodFLKeysJetsFan View Post
    Dixon was cut because of Damon Harrison who I believe has alot more upside then Dixon.

    Is Cimini really that f_cking stupid???
    Yeah, it is obvious that Jets like Harrison because he wasvthe likely cut over Dixon. Surprised Cimini didnt put 2 & 2 together there.

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