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    Quote Originally Posted by JB1089 View Post
    Plax's effectiveness in the red zone has been tremendously overstated. I was listening to Matt Williamson (who has a generally negative take on the Jets) and he said that Plax was one of the league leaders in red zone targets last year. He said that his 8 TDs were far less impressive in that context, as the Jets force-fed him the ball in that area of the field and any decent receiver would have produced similar results if given the same number of opportunities.


    So I'll continue to give the credit for last year's red zone success to Tom Moore, not Plax.
    Fair enough. I agree about Tom Moore. But who is catching those balls this year? Hill? I hope so but we cannot act as if he is a given.

    And we forget that amazing catch Plax made against the Bills that basically saved the game. Not sure anybody on this roster can catch that ball, it was a horrible pass. One of the best catches of the entire season IMO.

    I think b.c of our lack of talent last season, players such as Plax and LT had to be overused. I think they both will be missed. I don't know who is going to be catching the ball out of the backfield or which back is going to pick up the blitz.

    Hopefully we have some of the younger players step up and fill those rolls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY's stepchild View Post
    That's just plain wrong. There are no average WRs on the team. They're all raw, but all have very rare, size, and abilities. Can they catch? Can they run a proper route? Can they improve? Those are good questions, but average they are not.
    All this amounts to is that you believe they are more athletic than the average WR corp. The majority of very good to superior WR are more noted for routes, concentration and hands than athletic ability. Athleticism is the easiest trait to find in a WR. For ever Moss and Calvin Johnson there are 3 of the Boldin, Fitgerald, Roddy White, Welker, AJj Green, Andre Johnson types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerricho89 View Post
    All the commentary I see, hear and read about the Jets focuses on how bad the offense is going to be this year. Most of this seems to be based on what happened in the first three pre-season games - games that have historically proven to be meaningless, and in which most of the main receiving corps barely played.

    Last year, the Jets scored 377 points, thirteenth in the league - not great, but above average. Which players are missing from that offense? Burress, who couldn't get any separation and failed to draw double-teams (and can't get a job with another team this year). Wayne Hunter? (No comment). LT? He was obviously on his last legs. Matthew Mulligan? (I think I'll just stop here).

    We have a new OC, a new wildcat specialist to fill the void left by Brad Smith, and a starting QB who is in better shape and is playing with a chip on his shoulder.

    The offense won't lead the league, but for a team with an elite defense, it should be good enough.
    Well, the key to all of this coming true is the OL. It all starts up front. The Jets must have the blocking or else any of the talent we have on offense, including the QB, will not be able to do what they do best.

    That's probably where any knowing Jets fans would base their concerns.

    The Austin Howard experiment has gone pretty well thus far. I have just have my doubts as to how long this will last.

    As a Jets fans, I want what is best for the team and Sanchez in particular. This is a make or break year for him. There's a good possibility that he'll get benched this season. The only way we get to see what he can truly do, at his best, is to give him all of the necessary support players behind him.

    The bottom line, is every single Jets fan that actually watched the games KNEW that Wayne Hunter was a liability. They knew that the team must do something about it. Now, if Tanny chose not to because he thought Hunter would suddenly improve or he just didn't notice Hunters poor play? That speaks volumes about the lack of ability that Tanny has being the GM.

    The reason why Tanny is taking so much nonsense from the fans and the media is because EVERYONE, seemingly besides him, knew that the RT needed to be replaced. EVERYONE knew it. And everyone saw disaster coming because he didn't do what was necessary during the offseason.

    I hate to use the Patsies as an example, but look at what BB does. Do you EVER see the Patsies go into a season with a such a glaring weakness and liability at one particular spot? NEVER. The minute they see it they address it. Come hell or high water, they get something done for the benefit of the team. You can't say the same about the Jets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY's stepchild View Post
    That's just plain wrong. There are no average WRs on the team. They're all raw, but all have very rare, size, and abilities. Can they catch? Can they run a proper route? Can they improve? Those are good questions, but average they are not.
    They may not be average in terms of athletic ability, but you definitely can't call them anything above average in terms of NFL productivity.

    The league is filled with guys who have "rare" abilities. That's why they're in the NFL. But if you don't know that a player can catch, run a proper route, or even improve, then you definitely can't call them more than average. In fact, average is a stretch.

    Like Jetstream said, there isn't a single player on this offense that worries an opposing defense...right now. If Hill goes off for 8 / 150 / 2TDs in one of the first few games, I'll gladly revise that statement. Until then, the team's lack of an offensive game-changer is a concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainejet View Post
    Well, the key to all of this coming true is the OL.
    ... Agree with this ...


    As a Jets fans, I want what is best for the team and Sanchez in particular. This is a make or break year for him.
    ... Agree with this ...

    There's a good possibility that he'll get benched this season.

    ... Completely disagree with this ...

    ... Outside of the wildcat/specialty plays not a chance Tebow is our qb unless we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs ...


    ... Too hard to type on this iPad to keep going line for line ... But the bottom line is the FO got the fix in at RT before the season started (as I always believed they would) and this will give both Sanchez and our team as a whole a chance to make some noise this year


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    Quote Originally Posted by McGinley View Post
    Only thing I'll say is that while Plax was useless between the 20s, he was money in the redzone.
    Ummm this is why you bring him back until you have an adequate replacement.

    And a rookie WR in Hill aint it!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    As has been the story for the past three seasons, we see the defense dominate and the offense not keep up its part of the deal. Right now, looks like more of same to us, not very enthusiastic about our chances of winning games 13-10 every week and disappointed that it's come to this again.

    SAR I
    SAR - last year we did see the O put up some decent games (high 20's, 3 games 30+). Granted these were against the 'lesser' teams (KC, Jax and the likes) but we did score.

    Given that we have a more favourable schedule this year (IMHO at least) don't you see hope that we might win quite a few games by decent margins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    Fair enough. I agree about Tom Moore. But who is catching those balls this year? Hill? I hope so but we cannot act as if he is a given.

    And we forget that amazing catch Plax made against the Bills that basically saved the game. Not sure anybody on this roster can catch that ball, it was a horrible pass. One of the best catches of the entire season IMO.

    I think b.c of our lack of talent last season, players such as Plax and LT had to be overused. I think they both will be missed. I don't know who is going to be catching the ball out of the backfield or which back is going to pick up the blitz.

    Hopefully we have some of the younger players step up and fill those rolls.
    This is so over looked. It is one thing to have Plex be your number 4th WR and another to have him be number 2.

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    It's almost like 2009 all over again.. The US against the World mentality.

    Only problem is skinny Rex is to damn humble I want my loud mouth coach back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lamont_jordan_rules View Post
    ... Agree with this ...




    ... Agree with this ...




    ... Completely disagree with this ...

    ... Outside of the wildcat/specialty plays not a chance Tebow is our qb unless we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs ...


    ... Too hard to type on this iPad to keep going line for line ... But the bottom line is the FO got the fix in at RT before the season started (as I always believed they would) and this will give both Sanchez and our team as a whole a chance to make some noise this year


    Ljr
    Well, disagree with it all you'd like. Many people, including fans, players, and media are claiming this is a make or break year for Sanchez. They all expect more out of him and have made it known.

    If he doesn't play well? What are the Jets left to do? I shutter at the thought of Tim Tebow being the QB. That would truly be a disaster. But they will definitely make a move if they are forced to. Who knows maybe Greg McElroy along with Tim Tebow will see significant playing time in the event Sanchez gets benched. Then, after the season, the Jets will draft another blue chip QB prospect.

    The point I'm making is that Sanchez MUST show improvement this season. If he doesn't they will definitely starts the wheels turning to move on with another QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainejet View Post
    Well, disagree with it all you'd like. Many people, including fans, players, and media are claiming this is a make or break year for Sanchez. They all expect more out of him and have made it known.

    If he doesn't play well? What are the Jets left to do? I shutter at the thought of Tim Tebow being the QB. That would truly be a disaster. But they will definitely make a move if they are forced to. Who knows maybe Greg McElroy along with Tim Tebow will see significant playing time in the event Sanchez gets benched. Then, after the season, the Jets will draft another blue chip QB prospect.

    The point I'm making is that Sanchez MUST show improvement this season. If he doesn't they will definitely starts the wheels turning to move on with another QB.
    Sanchez worst day is better than tebow's best day

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetsfanfromtheBURGH View Post
    Sanchez worst day is better than tebow's best day
    I don't disagree with that claim. And I certainly do not want Tebow as the starting QB. I just know it's time for Sanchez to put up or shut up. We are simply not getting enough good play out of the QB. In fact, Sanchez was personally responsible for us losing our last 3 games last season with such a turnover barrage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainejet View Post
    I don't disagree with that claim. And I certainly do not want Tebow as the starting QB. I just know it's time for Sanchez to put up or shut up. We are simply not getting enough good play out of the QB. In fact, Sanchez was personally responsible for us losing our last 3 games last season with such a turnover barrage.
    Yes he needs to put up for sure. But, there is no way in hell he should of been throwing the ball as much as he did in the giants game. That was poor offensive play calling.

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    Our RB's are so so. We have no blocking TE's in a run heavy scheme. Our WR group may be the worst in the league besides the phins with no deep passing game. Our QB's are so so at best. The oc sucks.

    Top 5 D, bottom 5 O. (Defense would be ##1 if not for the offense that will be 2 and out and turn the ball over.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesR View Post
    SAR - last year we did see the O put up some decent games (high 20's, 3 games 30+). Granted these were against the 'lesser' teams (KC, Jax and the likes) but we did score.

    Given that we have a more favourable schedule this year (IMHO at least) don't you see hope that we might win quite a few games by decent margins?
    The Jets have far fewer legitimate threats on offense this year, not sure who exactly is going to scare a defensive coordinator.

    Be prepared for the "Curtis Martin Is Old" defense- 11 in the box, make sure you stop the run, and dare Chad Pennington to beat you. Back then the issue was Chad being incapable of hitting a receiver. Today the issue is Mark having no receivers to throw to. And, being honest, I'm not even sure opposing DC's even need to commit to a heavy run stop as Shonn Greene does a very good job of stopping himself.

    Ground & Pound team that has no running back. Good quarterback that has no targets. Offensive line with major question marks that won't give either the holes or time to get the job done.

    We're worse on O this year than last year, that's why the record will be worse. A great defense means nothing if they hold opponents to 10 and we can only score 3.

    0-3 slide last year, 0-4 in the preseason, brutal first 7 games of the year. This is set up to be a rough first month and a death spiral before we can figure out what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainejet View Post
    The point I'm making is that Sanchez MUST show improvement this season.
    ... i agree with you on this ...

    ... for me, a reasonable 5-10% improvement in completion % & TD-Turnover ratio is taking that step ...

    ... for the record i expect him to do even better than that ...







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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoop24 View Post
    It's almost like 2009 all over again.. The US against the World mentality.

    Only problem is skinny Rex is to damn humble I want my loud mouth coach back.
    only without Richardson, Woody, Faneca, Cotch, Edwards, Rhodes and Jenkins and your linebackers being on the right side of 30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB1089 View Post
    Plax's effectiveness in the red zone has been tremendously overstated. I was listening to Matt Williamson (who has a generally negative take on the Jets) and he said that Plax was one of the league leaders in red zone targets last year. He said that his 8 TDs were far less impressive in that context, as the Jets force-fed him the ball in that area of the field and any decent receiver would have produced similar results if given the same number of opportunities.


    So I'll continue to give the credit for last year's red zone success to Tom Moore, not Plax.
    Plax caught 11 of 19 balls in the redzone, including 5 TDs on the season.

    The other 3 TDs weren't technically redzone plays.

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    Sure, the Jets were 13th in points scored last year, but that's extremely misleading if that makes you think the Jets were the 13th best offense last year.

    The Jets led the league in possessions last season, thanks to a bad offense (the more 3-and-outs, the more drives you'll have) and a great defense (forcing 3-and-outs). The Jets had 198 drives last year, while NE had 173, for example. But having more drives isn't a good thing -- each team gets the same number of drives in a game, plus or minus 1 (with limited exception). So you really want to look at per-drive stats.

    The Jets ranked 17th in points per drive; that's mostly because of an incredibly effective offense in the red zone. The Jets ranked 28th in yards per drive, and would have ranked closer to that in points per drive if the offense wasn't so good in the red zone last year.

    So the question is, do we have any reason to think the Jets are going to be elite in the red zone again in 2012? The realistic answer is no. The Jets didn't have a magical ability to suck for the most part on offense (the Jets ranked 25th in Net Yards per Pass and 30th in Rushing Yards per Carry) but turn it on in the red zone. Red zone statistics are notoriously inconsistent from year to year, because they're based on such a small sample size. Obviously having Burress helped, but the more likely answer is the Jets success last year in the red zone was based on a small sample size. Every single team that significantly outperforms expectations in the red zone could come up with a reason why they'll be great again the next year, but the fact is, most of them regress. And "Tom Moore" is not a very good reason, relatively speaking.

    So you have an offense that was probably a bottom-third offense in the league last year, and looks worse at WR. Maybe the new OC helps, or maybe the Jets struggle as they "gel" and "learn the offense." That's why everyone is down on the Jets offense this year. If you ask objective NFL fans where they expect the Jets offense to rank this year, most will tell you the bottom quarter of the league. And that's got nothing to do with "Jets haterade."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetsfanfromtheBURGH View Post
    Yes he needs to put up for sure. But, there is no way in hell he should of been throwing the ball as much as he did in the giants game. That was poor offensive play calling.
    Well, all you can do is run or pass. You don't have any other options. The Giants had stuffed the Jets run, it simply wasn't working.

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