How the hell can anyone defend this guy?
How the hell can anyone defend this guy?
How the hell can anyone defend this guy?
They are both teh fail. /government
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this was the republican's election to lose, and they not only chose a mormon who parks money in the Carribean, they picked a guy who America has made clear they don't like. even republicans don't like him. obama should have been toast by now and the republicans have likely managed to get him four more years.
Debt has gone from 10 to 16 trillion in 3.5 years. His goal is to have more than 50 percent of the country dependent on government and we are well above that now so I anticipate 4 more years.
Only government can provide entitlements, pensions to people in their 50's, 6 to 8 weeks vacation and have the receivers believe someone else should pay for that. The government is the post office.
Last edited by southparkcpa; 09-05-2012 at 07:02 AM.
Obama might become Bush in terms of popularity if he gets another 4 years and we continue on this path to insolvency. He might do to the Dems what Bush did to the Reps. Only saving grace for Obama is that he has a ton of people on the nipple that will do anything NOT to get off.
i suppose republicans still have a shot, but it shouldn't be this close.
i'm guessing once Romney starts speaking in debates, it will be over for the republicans
repubs should have just picked an unknown who survived a skeletons in the closet check and told him to just keep his mouth shut.
Last edited by chiefst2000; 09-05-2012 at 11:22 AM.
Both of these guys for lack of a better word suck. All ive heard from both sides is the same old extremist pandering. One is way out to the left the other tp the right. They have no real vision and both lack the backbone to end this partisan bull**** in Washington that is destroying this country.
This election has made it painfully clear that we need a viable third party to step up. The only way we will ever see real change in this country is when we do away with this two party system.
What cool aid are you drinking? The Republicans, like the Democrats aren't going to cut spending or bring in more real revenue, they are going to redistribute the bloated waste to their members instead of Democrats.
As for the "cutting of wars", Iraq ended on the Bush timeline, and Obama has doubled down on Afghanistan for no real gain (and losing ALOT of American lives and money in the process, a fact rarely reported since Bush left office) and "won" a War in Libya as NATO, and opened new fronts by bombing or drone-striking in a whole host of nations. He's not exactly been an Anti-War/Anti-Attack President in his actions, and there is little cause to expect that to change.
By the way, you mentioned "stashing money in the Caymans" earlier Tim. Can you tell me (without a cut-n-paste from elsewhere) why thats a bad thing, exactly? I'm curious as to the demonization of where one holds a bank account(s).
I'm confident he won't be starting new wars like we've seen in the recent past. he's found out that it's hard to stop a war machine so many are profiting from, although he should have been more persistent. i don't mean to casually brush this off, it's a real concern.
as for the cayman isles, are you kidding me? there are 190,000 businesses registered there. madoff was putting his money there so the government wouldn't see what's going on. lots of BS hedge funds where taxpayers pay only 15 percent. once he said "i haven't broke any tax laws" you knew he was taking advantage of loopholes most Americans don't. is it legal? pretty much. do Americans have the right to hold it against hi. I do and will.
As for some folks saying his taxes wouldn't have been different, others say they would have been. It's murky and almost impossible to trace all of his money because, well it's the Cayman Islands, and that's why the money is there.
I'm not a lib and am disappointed in much of Obama's reign. I'm glad I voted for him and would consider voting for a Republican, but not Romney. Not even close. I've voted for republicans in every election except two.
As for "difficulty to end wars" he, as President, wields 100% authority over our War fighting. He can end it was a two sentence presidential order if he wished it. There is no power that can stop him, he chooses to do what he chooses to do.he's found out that it's hard to stop a war machine so many are profiting from, although he should have been more persistent. i don't mean to casually brush this off, it's a real concern.
So the basis of you anger over a perfectly legal action is "they have 190,000 businesses!" and "Bernie Madoff wuz here!"?as for the cayman isles, are you kidding me? there are 190,000 businesses registered there. madoff was putting his money there so the government wouldn't see what's going on. lots of BS hedge funds where taxpayers pay only 15 percent. once he said "i haven't broke any tax laws" you knew he was taking advantage of loopholes most Americans don't. is it legal? pretty much. do Americans have the right to hold it against hi. I do and will.
Do you have any actual evidence of wrongdoing to base your criticism on? Some law breaking? What makes a hedge fund "BS" btw, and how would you know one way or the other, you a hedge fund manager?
Sounds to me like you're just a regular stiff, like me, who has no idea what or why a Cayman island or Swiss bank account would or could be for, and simply finds it easy to demonize the "rich" because you, clearly, are not one of them.
The only "say" that counts is the IRS.As for some folks saying his taxes wouldn't have been different, others say they would have been. It's murky and almost impossible to trace all of his money because, well it's the Cayman Islands, and that's why the money is there.
Do you have something from the IRS showing he comitted some form of wrongdoing?
Or are you just another jealous upper-middle-class warrior buying the class-warfare argument that "rich people" who follow the law are still bad and greedy people at heart because they won't give us 10 mil of his 20 mil income, and only gave us the legally required 3 mil instead?
How much tax (net) did you pay last year Tim?
Coulda fooled me. You sure buy into all their unproven personal attack, non-policy propaganda.I'm not a lib
You know, like a birther and Obama.
But he already has your vote locked down for 2012, because Romney is an evil Cayman Island dwelling tax-cheat War-Starter, apparently, right?and am disappointed in much of Obama's reign.
Suprised you didn't toss in a few "extreme" as well, that is the favored talking point these days...
The always funny toss-in line almost every liberal here throws out to "prove" their unbiased opinions.I've voted for republicans in every election except two.
Wanna bet. My opinion, and the opinion of others, doesn't fall under the requirements of the courts. If we don't like him hiding money, we won't vote for him. We don't need proof. And I think he is hiding money and skipping out on taxes. I don't care if it's legal or not. Good chance that this alone costs him the election, so the real say will be with the voters
Off shore accounts aren't that difficult to understand. Nobody can prove where his money has been so nobody can come up with a figure. That's why it's over there.
I paid what my tax software told me to pay using tax tables?
I'm not making up excuses for being a "lib". I don't know if I support a majority of lib or con issues. It's pretty close. I can see myself supporting a Republican next time. I probably would have done so this time if there was a decent candidate. But the pretty dim McCain, Pailin and now Mittens....The republican party is like a black comedy - and that's why we have a black president. I see this as Bush's legacy and would be perfect for a tombstone.
"So bad he actually got a black guy elected president."
Now I will return when I'm 175 lbs. If Romney wins, please accept my early congratulations.
However, the entire situation does put a hole in one of the high held Republican ideals of the day. In many cases, the "job creators" are much better described as "personal bank account stuffers."
I've said it before and I'll say it again, consumers are the real job creators as they are the ones who drive demand and growth.