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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    I would think even you would know that the 10-20 regular posters in here does not represent a statistical pool large enough to draw conclusions from.

    However, the on-air 3 hours (including plenty of call-in's) on Liberal "Left" on Sirius on 9/11, dedicated to Trutherism, was somewhat more representative of the politicially active/dedicated on the left.

    Speaking of which, I heard a good one today. The Extremists (they didn't say Muslim of course, just extremists) WANT Romney to win in Nov., because they want more war with the U.S., and Romney will bring that.
    10-20 regular posters on this site are a better representation of the average American than any radio talk show host fishing for ratings. But OK, lets look at elected officials then - how many Democrats are '9/11 truthers'? How many Republicans are birthers?

    The reality, Warfish, is that are far, far more people that think Obama is not a US citizen than there are people who think 9/11 was an inside job.

    It's not even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    10-20 regular posters on this site are a better representation of the average American than any radio talk show host fishing for ratings. But OK, lets look at elected officials then - how many Democrats are '9/11 truthers'? How many Republicans are birthers?

    The reality, Warfish, is that are far, far more people that think Obama is not a US citizen than there are people who think 9/11 was an inside job.

    It's not even close.
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    10-20 regular posters on this site are a better representation of the average American than any radio talk show host fishing for ratings.


    You are such a joke.

    It's not even close.
    Tell me more. Don't leave out some stuff about "fairness" too.

    The +1 from the sites leading FOX hater conveniently ignoring 3 full hours of calls on a liberal radio station only makes you two even funnier in your laughably biased sillyness.

    By all means, don't let (L) me get in the way of your (D) talking points. Personally, I can do with less of you dedicated (D) truthers as well as the dedicated (R) birthers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post


    You are such a joke.



    Tell me more. Don't leave out some stuff about "fairness" too.

    The +1 from the sites leading FOX hater conveniently ignoring 3 full hours of calls on a liberal radio station only makes you two even funnier in your laughably biased sillyness.

    By all means, don't let (L) me get in the way of your (D) talking points. Personally, I can do with less of you dedicated (D) truthers as well as the dedicated (R) birthers.
    That "+1" was for his comment about the amount of elected politicians who have come out, on record, questioning the President's birth place verses the politicians who have come out, on record, stating that 9-11 was an inside job.

    Maybe that is why only that portion of his post was highlighted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    10-20 regular posters on this site are a better representation of the average American than any radio talk show host fishing for ratings. But OK, lets look at elected officials then - how many Democrats are '9/11 truthers'? How many Republicans are birthers?

    The reality, Warfish, is that are far, far more people that think Obama is not a US citizen than there are people who think 9/11 was an inside job.

    It's not even close.
    This one is a head-spinner. For sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post


    You are such a joke.



    Tell me more. Don't leave out some stuff about "fairness" too.

    The +1 from the sites leading FOX hater conveniently ignoring 3 full hours of calls on a liberal radio station only makes you two even funnier in your laughably biased sillyness.

    By all means, don't let (L) me get in the way of your (D) talking points. Personally, I can do with less of you dedicated (D) truthers as well as the dedicated (R) birthers.
    Yes, this forum better represents America than talk radio. And keep on comparing one guy you listened to on a radio show that was a '9/11 truther' to elected Kansas republicans trying to remove the current President from the ballot of their state because of a debunked conspiracy theory.

    How many elected democrats are 9/11 truthers and how many elected republicans are birthers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    Yes, this forum better represents America than talk radio. And keep on comparing one guy you listened to on a radio show that was a '9/11 truther' to elected Kansas republicans trying to remove the current President from the ballot of their state because of a debunked conspiracy theory.

    How many elected democrats are 9/11 truthers and how many elected republicans are birthers?
    +1 (for the bold sentence)

    The narrative is that the democratic party has shifted further to the left. One, that is not true; if anything the party since Clinton has moved to the center as a whole. Two, no mention of how far to the right the republicans have shifted by those same people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    Yes, this forum better represents America than talk radio.
    No, it doesn't. A random sampling of ~100 radio show callers is more representative than this forum and it's (if we're being kind) 10 regulars or so.

    And keep on comparing one guy you listened to on a radio show that was a '9/11 truther' to elected Kansas republicans trying to remove the current President from the ballot of their state because of a debunked conspiracy theory.
    And you keep denying that a meaninful portion of your beloved party thinks G.W. Bush and Cheney were behind 9/11 in order to start a War for Oil and Profit (tm).

    How many elected democrats are 9/11 truthers and how many elected republicans are birthers?
    I love "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" style questions.

    Again, seeing IntelligentFOXHATERfan say the (D) havn't moved left is a perfect example of how uitterly laughable you folks are in your blatant dishonesty. Then again, I guess when your aim is totalitarian collectivism, anything thats not outright Stalinism seems moderate by comparison.

    I'll restate my original position, **** truthers, **** birthers, **** (D), **** (R).

    You. All. Suck.

    Clear enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    No, it doesn't. A random sampling of ~100 radio show callers is more representative than this forum and it's (if we're being kind) 10 regulars or so.
    That's a fair point.

    But you brought up one radio talk show host as your evidence. You didn't say "all these callers were calling in and agreeing". Regardless, I'll just have to take your word for it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    And you keep denying that a meaninful portion of your beloved party thinks G.W. Bush and Cheney were behind 9/11 in order to start a War for Oil and Profit (tm).
    But see, you say this ^.

    Then when I ask you how many elected democrats are 9/11 truthers and how many elected GOP'ers are birthers, you say this:


    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    I love "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" style questions.
    It's a reasonable question, Warfish. There will always be those on the fringe of each party.

    My point is, which of the two conspiracy theories have become mainstream enough to see their adherents get elected to Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Again, seeing IntelligentFOXHATERfan say the (D) havn't moved left is a perfect example of how uitterly laughable you folks are in your blatant dishonesty. Then again, I guess when your aim is totalitarian collectivism, anything thats not outright Stalinism seems moderate by comparison.

    I'll restate my original position, **** truthers, **** birthers, **** (D), **** (R).

    You. All. Suck.

    Clear enough?
    The best part of this ^ bit:

    "is a perfect example of how uitterly laughable you folks are in your blatant dishonesty"

    followed directly by

    "Then again, I guess when your aim is totalitarian collectivism, anything thats not outright Stalinism seems moderate by comparison."

    Haha

    Irony FTW!

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    And for the record, I'm a Democrat even though they suck. We have a two party system, and I vote for who I believe to be the lesser of two evils.

    I don't just sit around and b*tch about how "everybody is wrong except for me". I accept that in a Republic, one cannot ever find a candidate that they fully agree with on every issue across the board - I've made my peace with that.

    But I can observe that birtherism has had a greater political impact than 9/11 truthers. And my proof is the number of birthers in Congress as opposed to the number of 9/11 truthers in Congress over the past decade. That leads me to believe that birtherism does not equal 9/11 trutherism in a thread about birthers trying to pass a law to remove the sitting President from the ballot in his re-election year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    It's a reasonable question, Warfish.
    No, it's not.

    First, I don't know the views of "all elected Democrats".

    Second, comments of this nature by "elected democrats" do not get the same media coverage as birtherism by Republicans.

    Third, I'm not going to waste my time searching the web for something, much less some local represenative in a state I don't live in, to make you feel better/worse about being a member of a party who thinks Bush was behind 9/11.

    With that said, this would be a good start: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...Bush_knew.html

    Or this: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

    Or perhaps the comments of Cynthia McKinney (D) regarding trutherism. All found in ` 10 secnds of google, all (I'm sure) to be denied or denounced by you as "fringe" or "lies" or the like.

    My point is, which of the two conspiracy theories have become mainstream enough to see their adherents get elected to Congress?
    As stated, both have a meaningful foothold on either "side" from my perspective as a non-pariticpant of either "side".

    I should also add (stealth edit) that (D) is generally alot better at not sounding off liek total morons on what they really believe than (R) is, and generally (IMO) are fare more experienced at covering their views with langauge. Hence "collectivism" becomes "fairness", for example.

    "Then again, I guess when your aim is totalitarian collectivism, anything thats not outright Stalinism seems moderate by comparison."

    Haha
    Lol all you like Safety, there is no doubt in my mind that if you and IJF were offered a choice of teh current status quo, or a Euro-style Social Welfare/Socialist State run by a Dictator with reduced or limited personal freedom and liberty, that both of you would choose the Dictator-led Socialists. I see you and you as a strong supporter of collectivism > liberty/responsabillity, and central power > enumerated limited powers.

    At no point can I recall you choosing the route of personal freedom over "the greater good" in our policy disagreements. Not once.
    Last edited by Warfish; 09-18-2012 at 08:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    No, it's not.

    First, I don't know the views of "all elected Democrats".

    Second, comments of this nature by "elected democrats" do not get the same media coverage as birtherism by Republicans.

    Third, I'm not going to waste my time searching the web for something, much less some local represenative in a state I don't live in, to make you feel better/worse about being a member of a party who thinks Bush was behind 9/11.

    With that said, this would be a good start: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...Bush_knew.html

    Or this: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

    Or perhaps the comments of Cynthia McKinney (D) regarding trutherism. All found in ` 10 secnds of google, all (I'm sure) to be denied or denounced by you as "fringe" or "lies" or the like.

    According to PPP's survey, 51 percent of likely 2012 GOP primary voters believe that President Obama was born in another country (which would make him ineligible for the presidency). Another 21 percent say they are "not sure" if the president was born in the United States. Or to put it another way, 72 percent of the people who will be choosing the next Republican presidential nominee are either birthers or birther-curious.A mere 28 percent of the GOP primary electorate responded, correctly, that the president is a natural-born American citizen.
    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...primary-voters

    72 % > 51 %

    And as for the truther, he lost in the Democratic primary 86% to 13% in the last election cycle.

    http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/MD_Rabbi_Alam

    Somehow I doubt you want me to bring up the number of birthers who won their primary and general election for the GOP. It would take too long to find all of them.

    Not to mention, how many of the GOP Presidential candidates were birthers or birther-curious (LOL).

    How many Democratic Presidential candidates were 9/11 truthers?


    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    As stated, both have a meaningful foothold on either "side" from my perspective as a non-pariticpant of either "side".
    Hmm... meaningful foothold... sounds a lot like a meaningless phrase. But if I had to define meaningful foothold in a democratic context, I think I'd say the number of people elected who believe that.



    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Lol all you like Safety, there is no doubt in my mind that if you and IJF were offered a choice of teh current status quo, or a Euro-style Social Welfare/Socialist State run by a Dictator with reduced or limited personal freedom and liberty, that both of you would choose the Dictator-led Socialists. I see you and you as a strong supporter of collectivism > liberty/responsabillity, and central power > enumerated limited powers.

    At no point can I recall you choosing the route of personal freedom over "the greater good" in our policy disagreements. Not once.
    Angela Merkel... dictator?

    Not once have I said the drug war is a failure and legalization needs to happen?

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    And ya should read about ol' Cynthia Mckinney.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_McKinney

    Definitely a mainstream (D)...

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    Hmm... meaningful foothold... sounds a lot like a meaningless phrase.
    You're not showing me proper "fairness".

    Again Safety, seeing you defend/hide the trutherism in your party is alot like seeing Chiefs defend/hide the issues that make Romney so fail.

    You both serve your party first and foremost IMO. Which means ignoring or minimizing the "bad" and instead attacking the "other side" for their bad.

    Sadly, for you, that doesn't take away the impression of listening to two hours of liberal callers calling in and making definitive statements about their trutherism. Every one of which was a (D). And that was on 9/11/2012. I also have plenty of memories of liberal callers and radio hosts comments from years ago through today as well.

    See, unlike you (or Chiefs), I'm not in it for a party, so I'm more than happy to ALSO denounce the lame birthers too. See, thats called integrity and consistency, something I never expect from a party-shill.

    Angela Merkel... dictator?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    You're not showing me proper "fairness".

    Again Safety, seeing you defend/hide the trutherism in your party is alot like seeing Chiefs defend/hide the issues that make Romney so fail.

    You both serve your party first and foremost IMO. Which means ignoring or minimizing the "bad" and instead attacking the "other side" for their bad.

    Sadly, for you, that doesn't take away the impression of listening to two hours of liberal callers calling in and making definitive statements about their trutherism. Every one of which was a (D). And that was on 9/11/2012. I also have plenty of memories of liberal callers and radio hosts comments from years ago through today as well.

    See, unlike you (or Chiefs), I'm not in it for a party, so I'm more than happy to ALSO denounce the lame birthers too. See, thats called integrity and consistency, something I never expect from a party-shill.




    But see, I don't defend 9/11 truthers - they're batsh*t insane. And I don't "hide" their existence.

    I simply pointed out there are not (and were not) politically represented in Congress in any way comprable to the way birthers were/are represented in Congress. I also don't recall the (D) presidential primaries of '04 and '08 being filled with truthers.

    I'll have to take your word for what you heard on talk radio on 9/11/2012.

    I can't speak for Chiefs, but I do respect him enough to believe that he's not "in it for party" and nor am I. We both hold beliefs, and he likely, just as I do, votes for the candidate/party that better represents our respective beliefs. Often we choose to defend the people we personally voted for, especially against the bullsh*t that's thrown against them daily on this site.

    Now I understand you don't operate that way. You'd rather call me a Stalinist - because you're not a party shill!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    I simply pointed out there are not (and were not) politically represented in Congress in any way comprable to the way birthers were/are represented in Congress. I also don't recall the (D) presidential primaries of '04 and '08 being filled with truthers.
    Most of the articles posted here about Obama's birth certificate come from websites that champion the truther movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    Most of the articles posted here about Obama's birth certificate come from websites that champion the truther movement.
    Are you telling me that birthers are truthers?

    And tell me, PK, do you think I'm a Stalinist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    I'll have to take your word for what you heard on talk radio on 9/11/2012.
    Aye, guess you'll have to since you're above talk radio, right?

    I can't speak for Chiefs, but I do respect him enough to believe that he's not "in it for party" and nor am I.
    Party shills being shilly, shocker.

    If either of your parties told you **** was rainbow colored and smelled like roses, you'd be here posting up threads with 14 website links and articles proclaiming the "unquestionable scientific fact" of ranbow rose **** and 21 links denouncing all "raninbow rose **** deniers".

    Now I understand you don't operate that way. You'd rather call me a Stalinist - because you're not a party shill!
    I call you a collectivist/socialist and general supporter and proponent of Government power and authority over the individual because you are.

    Stop whining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Aye, guess you'll have to since you're above talk radio, right?
    Yes.


    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Party shills being shilly, shocker.

    If either of your parties told you **** was rainbow colored and smelled like roses, you'd be here posting up threads with 14 website links and articles proclaiming the "unquestionable scientific fact" of ranbow rose **** and 21 links denouncing all "raninbow rose **** deniers".
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    I call you a collectivist/socialist and general supporter and proponent of Government power and authority over the individual because you are.

    Stop whining.
    Sometimes.

    You also invoke Stalin to my beliefs - one of the most evil men in the history of the world. That alone speaks enough to your integrity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    Yes.
    Your loss. Tis' a shame to be so uninformed as to what the politically active and most passionate are thinking on each side.

    I guess once you have the party talking point memo of the day, what else do you really need, eh? It IS fun to watch you repeat certan words and phrases to the letter as they're spurged on talk radio the exact same day on the exact same topics.....but you wouldn't know anything about that. Gosh no.


    Sometimes.

    You also invoke Stalin to my beliefs - one of the most evil men in the history of the world. That alone speaks enough to your integrity.
    Always is more like it. Being against drug laws while being for limits on soda size and universal sinlge-source state healthcare doesn't exactly win you over any freedom and liberty credentials...

    Right, because you're version of totalitarian state collectivism will avoid all the pitfalls and problems of previous versions, right?

    I.e. Utopia is a cool place, why don't I join you there?

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