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Thread: Did Belicheck's strategy remind anyone of Herm in the 2004 Steelers playoff game?

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    Did Belicheck's strategy remind anyone of Herm in the 2004 Steelers playoff game?

    I mean it was almost a carbon copy, right down to the FG length (43 for Brien, 42 for Gostkowski). You'd think these coaches would learn that you should never sit on the ball and kill the clock when your reward is a 40-something yard FG. Herm pulled the same stunt. We even lost a couple yards on the kneeldown, much like the Pats today. At least Gostknowski has a strong leg, Brien obviously did not. I just can't see sitting on the ball late and throwing away plays when you have Brady at QB. Dumb move. He's made a lot of these dumb late game decisions since his last SB win, no one ever really talks about them though

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    Patriots fans talk plenty about it. Belichick was definitely channeling his inner Herm today.

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    Bellichick is useless in situations where cameras and alternate radio frequencies are of no help.

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    hard call to make and it all depends on how much faith you have in your FG kicker. I think I would let Brady take some shots but you gotta remember that he had a pretty bad game and AZ came to play on D today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFCEastFan View Post
    Patriots fans talk plenty about it. Belichick was definitely channeling his inner Herm today.
    Seemed like the Pats offense was moving the ball in the 4th quarter. The move made little sense. Any FG over 40 is still a long FG. Didn't deserve to win anyway though looking at the whole game

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickBri481 View Post
    Seemed like the Pats offense was moving the ball in the 4th quarter. The move made little sense. Any FG over 40 is still a long FG. Didn't deserve to win anyway though looking at the whole game
    Cardinals D and ST outplayed the Patriots O and ST. They definitely deserved to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFCEastFan View Post
    Cardinals D and ST outplayed the Patriots O and ST. They definitely deserved to win.
    Watched the whole 4th quarter. Funniest thing was Ken Whisenhunt actually gave the game back to the Pats when he decided to run a toss in the last minute when the Cards were running down the clock. A run up the middle or even a qb kneel at that point would have been infinitely smarter. Whisenhunt is a dumbass.


    If the Jets had lost at home to the Cards it would be a special report on CNN.

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    Pats responsible for 90% of losses in suicide pools across the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickBri481 View Post
    I mean it was almost a carbon copy, right down to the FG length (43 for Brien, 42 for Gostkowski). You'd think these coaches would learn that you should never sit on the ball and kill the clock when your reward is a 40-something yard FG.
    It was a perfect day with no wind.

    Gostkowski easily nailed a 53 and 51-yard FG earlier in the game at the same end of the field.

    That was a correct decision setting the kick up in the middle of the field.

    Should have been an easy chip shot for Gostkowski.

    He just choked the kick.

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    Schef tweeted this morning:

    @AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
    Until Stephen Gostkowski missed a potential game winning-kick Sunday, he had made 38 straight fourth-quarter, regular-season FGs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFanTX View Post
    It was a perfect day with no wind.

    Gostkowski easily nailed a 53 and 51-yard FG earlier in the game at the same end of the field.

    That was a correct decision setting the kick up in the middle of the field.

    Should have been an easy chip shot for Gostkowski.

    He just choked the kick.
    Exactly ... Which happens about as often as world wide extinction event.

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    Didn't like it. Not one bit.

    I never cared for settling when you have time and downs. At least they could have tried to get closer.

    I have the same issue when its 2nd and 3 in the red zone right before half and some coaches opt to run down the clock and go for the score....only to see them end up getting the first down and not having the time to use all their downs before the time runs out to get the touchdown.

    Hated these calls. And not impressed with McDaniels so far. I like that we have a run game but it seems to come at the expense of the passing offense. Overall even though its more balanced, it still seems less effective and efficient than last year's O.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whichfan View Post

    Hated these calls. And not impressed with McDaniels so far.
    Play calling was pathetic yesterday.

    Ridley just rips off 2 very nice, 10+ yard runs and the Pats are facing a 3rd and 1 and give the ball to Woodhead for a 2 yard loss?

    Pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFanTX View Post
    It was a perfect day with no wind.

    Gostkowski easily nailed a 53 and 51-yard FG earlier in the game at the same end of the field.

    That was a correct decision setting the kick up in the middle of the field.

    Should have been an easy chip shot for Gostkowski.

    He just choked the kick.
    A FG over 40 yards is never a chip shot. I don't care how good your kicker is. Cards D was shot at that point, Pats easily could have gained another 10-15 yards with the time they had. A 30 yarder is most certainly a chip shot. It was poor strategy and mathematically stupid. Enjoy 1-1 (and very possible 1-2)

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    After watching the Cardinals fumble in the last 2 minutes of a game, can you blame BB? What would we be saying this morning if Brady had thrown a pick when we were in game winning field goal range? Probably something along the lines of BB being arrogant trying to go for the throat when all needed was a FG.

    Or if "fumble prone" Ridley turned the ball over?

    In a game where we were 99.9% certain to lose at the 2 minute warned, you can't blame BB for being conservative when he had a 45 yard field goal to win it. Obviously he had a lot of faith in Gostowski, and it is his job to make the kick. He made all of his other kicks in the game, and probably makes that kick 9/10 in the same situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjmass1 View Post
    After watching the Cardinals fumble in the last 2 minutes of a game, can you blame BB? What would we be saying this morning if Brady had thrown a pick when we were in game winning field goal range? Probably something along the lines of BB being arrogant trying to go for the throat when all needed was a FG.

    Or if "fumble prone" Ridley turned the ball over?

    In a game where we were 99.9% certain to lose at the 2 minute warned, you can't blame BB for being conservative when he had a 45 yard field goal to win it. Obviously he had a lot of faith in Gostowski, and it is his job to make the kick. He made all of his other kicks in the game, and probably makes that kick 9/10 in the same situation.
    I disagree. When you have arguably the best QB to ever play the game, and pay him that way, you trust him to make the right decision.

    Go for it, if he sees a window for a 10 yard throw, he’ll make it.

    Like others have said, 45 yards ain’t no chip shot.

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    I didn't like the strategy at all. Never take your foot off the throttle. Bad things happen when you do.

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    Just goes to show that all coaches get a tight collar and worry more about failure (a turnover) than success (5 more yards) in that situation. In any case what does it matter? The Pasts will win the division again no problem. Each time the Pats have actually lost to a team they should beat the last 5 years the Jets NEVER capitalize on it by winning it seems.

    (And as for Herm what was galling was the week before the Jets were the benefactors of the same thing when Schotty senior did the same thing.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    (And as for Herm what was galling was the week before the Jets were the benefactors of the same thing when Schotty senior did the same thing.)
    You hit the nail on the head. Herm pulled a Marty after seeing the same strategy not work. But what Herm did was way worse than what Marty and Belicheck did because Brien had such a limited leg. 45 yards was literally the outer reaches of that guys range and he had already come up short on a 47 yarder. A 43 yarder for Doug Brien was no better than a 50/50 proposition. One of many reasons Herm is now a TV guy instead of standing on the sidelines

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post

    (And as for Herm what was galling was the week before the Jets were the benefactors of the same thing when Schotty senior did the same thing.)
    And doing it twice within minutes of one another.

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