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    Thank You Bush/Neocons

    Western report: Iran ships arms, personnel to Syria via Iraq
    By Louis Charbonneau | Reuters


    UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Iran has been using civilian aircraft to fly military personnel and large quantities of weapons across Iraqi airspace to Syria to aid President Bashar al-Assad in his attempt to crush an 18-month uprising against his government, according to a Western intelligence report seen by Reuters.

    Earlier this month, U.S. officials said they were questioning Iraq about Iranian flights in Iraqi airspace suspected of ferrying arms to Assad, a staunch Iranian ally. On Wednesday, U.S. Senator John Kerry threatened to review U.S. aid to Baghdad if it does not halt such overflights.

    Iraq says it does not allow the passage of any weapons through its airspace. But the intelligence report obtained by Reuters says Iranian weapons have been flowing into Syria via Iraq in large quantities. Such transfers, the report says, are organized by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

    "This is part of a revised Iranian modus operandi that U.S. officials have only recently addressed publicly, following previous statements to the contrary," said the report, a copy of which was provided by a U.N. diplomatic source.

    "It also flies in the face of declarations by Iraqi officials," it said. "Planes are flying from Iran to Syria via Iraq on an almost daily basis, carrying IRGC (Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps) personnel and tens of tons of weapons to arm the Syrian security forces and militias fighting against the rebels."

    Although the specific charges about Iraq allowing Iran to transfer arms to Damascus are not new, the intelligence report alleges that the extent of such shipments is far greater than has been publicly acknowledged, and much more systematic, thanks to an agreement between senior Iraqi and Iranian officials.

    Ali al-Moussawi, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's media adviser, dismissed the intelligence report.

    "Iraq rejects baseless allegations that it allows Iran to use its airspace to ship arms to Syria," he said. "The prime minister has always called for a peaceful solution to the Syrian conflict and ... the need for a ban on any state interfering in Syria whether by sending arms or helping others to do so."

    The issue of Iranian arms shipments to Syria came up repeatedly at a Senate hearing in Washington on Wednesday on the nomination of Robert Beecroft as the next U.S. ambassador to Baghdad. Beecroft is currently deputy chief of mission there.

    John Kerry, the Democratic chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, asked Beecroft what the embassy was doing to persuade the Iraqis to prevent Iran from using their airspace for flights carrying weapons to Syria. Beecroft said that he and other U.S. officials made clear to Iraq the flights must stop.

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    Kerry said he was alarmed that U.S. efforts thus far had not persuaded Baghdad to halt the overflights, and suggested that the United States could in future make some of the hundreds of millions of dollars in assistance it gives to Iraq contingent on their cooperation on Syria.

    "Maybe we should make some of our assistance or some of our support contingent on some kind of appropriate response," he said. "It just seems completely inappropriate that we're trying to help build democracy, support them, put American lives on the line, money into the country, and they're working against our interest so overtly."

    The intelligence report, which Western diplomats said was credible and consistent with their information, said Iran had cut a deal with Iraq to use its airspace.

    One envoy said it was possible that Tehran and Baghdad did not in fact have any formal agreement, but only an informal understanding not to raise questions about possible arms transfers to Syria.

    In comments published by Iranian media on Sunday, IRGC commander-in-chief Mohammad Ali Jafari said members of the force were providing non-military assistance in Syria and Lebanon. He added that Tehran might get involved militarily in Syria if its closest ally came under attack. A day later, however, Iran's Foreign Ministry denied those remarks.

    Two Boeing 747 aircraft specifically mentioned in the intelligence report as being involved in Syria arms transfers - an Iran Air plane with the tail number EP-ICD and Mahan Air's EP-MNE - were among 117 aircraft hit with sanctions on Wednesday by the U.S. Treasury Department.

    The Treasury Department also blacklisted aircraft operated by Iran's Yas Air for supplying Syria with weapons. A U.N. panel of experts that monitors compliance with U.N. sanctions against Iran has repeatedly named Yas Air, along with Iran Air, as a supplier of arms to Syria.

    The Treasury Department statement on the new blacklistings said the move would "make it easier for interested parties to keep track of this blocked property, and more difficult for Iran to use deceptive practices to try to evade sanctions."

    The statement did not mention Iraq.

    Earlier this year, the U.N. panel of experts recommended that Yas Air be put on the U.N. blacklist for helping Iran skirt a U.N. arms embargo. So far the Security Council has not taken any action on that recommendation.

    The U.N. panel's reports have described Iranian arms shipments to Syria via Turkey, not Iraq.

    The intelligence report said such transfers across Turkish airspace had ceased.

    "Since Ankara adopted a firm position against Syria, and declared that it would intercept all weapons shipments sent to the Assad regime through Turkish territory or airspace, Tehran has all but completely stopped using this channel," it said.

    Tehran is forbidden from selling weapons under a U.N. arms embargo, which is part of broader sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program.

    Earlier this month, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said Syria's conflict had taken a brutal turn with other countries arming both sides, spreading misery and risking "unintended consequences as the fighting intensifies and spreads.

    (Additional reporting by Andrew Quinn, Mark Hosenball and Susan Cornwell in Washington and Ahmed Rasheed in Baghdad; editing by David Brunnstrom and Mohammad Zargham)
    Wow, who could have predicted this
    Thank you to the Bush administration for removing Saddam Hussein, the one who kept Iran in check from the rest of the Mid East. This was a worthwhile invasion.

    No one could have predicted this...unless you took the time to look at the history of the people you spend trillions of dollars and thousands of US lives trying to put into power. And to think, all the nitwits on this site 5 years ago were talking about how Iraq would be a pro-west democracy that will be the beacon of light for the Mid East and would spread like wildfire turning other Mid East nations into pro-western democracies. Bravo Neo-Cons.

    And to think, there are still dummies on the Right who feel the US should do more for the current Iraq regime.

    If Romney decides to cave in to Netanyahu (as the Right on this site thinks he should), do you think Iraq will allow us to use their airspace for an attack as repayment for helping them overthrow Saddam and getting them into power?

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    If the current Eunuch In Chief had a pair, he'd see to it that any Iranian plane shipping arms over Iraqi airspace would be shot out of the sky...

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    Blind homerism: when you don't acknowledge that "your side" also overwhelmingly agreed to the Iraq War

    More of the same b.s.

    It really is sad how clueless so many voters are. Led by anger, hatred and ignorance rather than real facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetPotato View Post
    Blind homerism: when you don't acknowledge that "your side" also overwhelmingly agreed to the Iraq War
    +1

    Additionally, just WHEN does Change We Can Believe In start to take charge?


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    Reagan would approve. He loved shipping arms to Iran.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JetPotato View Post
    Blind homerism: when you don't acknowledge that "your side" also overwhelmingly agreed to the Iraq War

    More of the same b.s.

    It really is sad how clueless so many voters are. Led by anger, hatred and ignorance rather than real facts.
    My side?
    Im sorry but I dont work or receive any benefits directly from the Democratic Party. Therefore they are not "my side".

    I do recall, though, when certain Dems and other intelligent Americans who paid attention to the history of these people were speaking out against the war and pointing out that it made no sense for the USA to overthrow Saddam guys on "your side" questioned their patriotism, called them defeatests and accused them of aiding the enemy. Remember that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetPotato View Post
    Blind homerism: when you don't acknowledge that "your side" also overwhelmingly agreed to the Iraq War

    More of the same b.s.

    It really is sad how clueless so many voters are. Led by anger, hatred and ignorance rather than real facts
    .
    Speaking of facts...lets see, Saddam was a sworn enemy of Iran, Saddam was an enemy of Al Queda, the government put into power by the USA invasion was protected and trained by Iran, had participated in the attack on US soldiers in Beirut in the 1980s as part of an Iranian trained terrorist network (look up the origins of Iraq's ruling Islamic Dawa Party).......

    yet guys like you were backing an invasion based on ignorance rather than real facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennyo7 View Post
    Speaking of facts...lets see, Saddam was a sworn enemy of Iran, Saddam was an enemy of Al Queda, the government put into power by the USA invasion was protected and trained by Iran, had participated in the attack on US soldiers in Beirut in the 1980s as part of an Iranian trained terrorist network (look up the origins of Iraq's ruling Islamic Dawa Party).......

    yet guys like you were backing an invasion based on ignorance rather than real facts.
    Didn't your side support the overthrow of Mubarak? Gaddafi?

    How's that working out?

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    Republicans armed Iran and Iraq. Never forget that. They may claim that kind appease...but they'll actually give their enemies weapons.


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    Republicans also armed and trained Bin Laden.

    They really suck at everything they do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    Republicans armed Iran and Iraq. Never forget that. They may claim that kind appease...but they'll actually give their enemies weapons.


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    Let's just keep it going... They supplied drugs and guns to the inner city, they continuously make policy to keep these folks downtrodden... They refuse to allow innovation to their school systems in an effort to maintain the status quo...

    Oh wait... Wrong party... My bad...

    Let's keep discussing foreign affairs snafus in an effort to keep discussion away from real time domestic problems, though... That is how 'D' plans to win this election, or so it appears...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite View Post
    Let's just keep it going... They supplied drugs and guns to the inner city, they continuously make policy to keep these folks downtrodden... They refuse to allow innovation to their school systems in an effort to maintain the status quo...

    Oh wait... Wrong party... My bad...

    Let's keep discussing foreign affairs snafus in an effort to keep discussion away from real time domestic problems, though... That is how 'D' plans to win this election, or so it appears...
    Cool.

    Reagan negotiated with terrorists and supplied Iraq with the gas to kill the Kurds.


    And the "D's" don;t need to win the election.

    All they have to do is let the stupid f*ck "R's" lose it.




    A retard with a metal plate in their head would have been able to defeat Obama. But the Republicans managed to nominate the only candidate capable of losing to Obama.

    Your party sucks sh*t coated taint. They suck at everything.

    They are literally THE most incompetent people on the face of the earth.
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    The 'ghost' of the Bush Presidency will haunt this nation for a long time. He cannot even show up next to Romney or Ryan. The r's are in complete disarray.

    Romney is desperate and reaching for anything. Even stooping so low that he will put our troops in the War zones of AG at risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennyo7 View Post
    My side?
    Im sorry but I dont work or receive any benefits directly from the Democratic Party. Therefore they are not "my side".

    I do recall, though, when certain Dems and other intelligent Americans who paid attention to the history of these people were speaking out against the war and pointing out that it made no sense for the USA to overthrow Saddam guys on "your side" questioned their patriotism, called them defeatests and accused them of aiding the enemy. Remember that?
    I remember that happening on both sides. Seems one of us has a very selective memory, and one of us remembers it all.

    By the way, what's "my side"? We both have established histories on this site, and only one of us would be associated with one of the 2 major parties by most observers here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennyo7 View Post
    Speaking of facts...lets see, Saddam was a sworn enemy of Iran, Saddam was an enemy of Al Queda, the government put into power by the USA invasion was protected and trained by Iran, had participated in the attack on US soldiers in Beirut in the 1980s as part of an Iranian trained terrorist network (look up the origins of Iraq's ruling Islamic Dawa Party).......

    yet guys like you were backing an invasion based on ignorance rather than real facts.
    Guys like me? Interesting.

    Would love you to provide a link to a post of mine supporting the Iraq War. See how that works out for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    The 'ghost' of the Bush Presidency will haunt this nation for a long time. He cannot even show up next to Romney or Ryan. The r's are in complete disarray.

    Romney is desperate and reaching for anything. Even stooping so low that he will put our troops in the War zones of AG at risk.
    Except that no one is supposed to talk about Bush or his 8 years in office. If you mention his presidency in a negative tone then you are accused of making excuses for Obama.

    So lets recap;

    1. You could not criticize Bush when he was president because it was a time of war/September 11th and thus unpatriotic (notice how the cons forgot that courtesy sometime around 2008 )

    2. And today you can't criticize Bush because to do so would be to make excuses for Obama. You will then be subjected to regurgitated talking points.

    Not During

    Not after

    Not Ever

    I guess we will have to wait until a few "historians" white wash history and write a book about how he was a better president then we realized

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    Except that no one is supposed to talk about Bush or his 8 years in office. If you mention his presidency in a negative tone then you are accused of making excuses for Obama.

    So lets recap;

    1. You could not criticize Bush when he was president because it was a time of war/September 11th and thus unpatriotic (notice how the cons forgot that courtesy sometime around 2008 )

    2. And today you can't criticize Bush because to do so would be to make excuses for Obama. You will then be subjected to regurgitated talking points.

    Not During

    Not after

    Not Ever

    I guess we will have to wait until a few "historians" white wash history and write a book about how he was a better president then we realized
    Imagine that. These are the same guys that say that the media is 'left leaning'. Go figure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    The 'ghost' of the Bush Presidency will haunt this nation for a long time. He cannot even show up next to Romney or Ryan.
    That right there is the answer to anyone who wants to claim W was anything less than awful. Clinton, for his faults, still gets to play that role, and it helps. W can't be in the shot, let alone at the podium, in his own party's convention. Their most recent president.

    I guess you'd have to think he SHOULD be there to think he was a decent president, that it's a mistake that he's not, but that would be wrong. They've managed to play W correctly this election. They've got that going for them.
    Last edited by isired; 09-20-2012 at 12:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    Except that no one is supposed to talk about Bush or his 8 years in office. If you mention his presidency in a negative tone then you are accused of making excuses for Obama.

    So lets recap;

    1. You could not criticize Bush when he was president because it was a time of war/September 11th and thus unpatriotic (notice how the cons forgot that courtesy sometime around 2008 )

    2. And today you can't criticize Bush because to do so would be to make excuses for Obama. You will then be subjected to regurgitated talking points.

    Not During

    Not after

    Not Ever

    I guess we will have to wait until a few "historians" white wash history and write a book about how he was a better president then we realized
    Are you kidding? Bush gets killed by everyone. If anything, his record might look better with time. Right now he is toxic.

    Obama wrote a lot of checks with that well-spoken mouth of his. Literally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    The 'ghost' of the Bush Presidency will haunt this nation for a long time. He cannot even show up next to Romney or Ryan. The r's are in complete disarray.
    And Dimowits running for office avoided Obumbles like the plague....

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