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Thread: Dissapointment in Sparano Thus Far: Shotty-Levels of Predictabillity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    +1 I agree on that.
    thanks. he struggles in the pocket and is consumed by the much bigger and taller linemen. he then forces the ball into double and triple coverage resulting in an int. sparano cant see this?

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    Guys lets face it. The offensive side of this team is just average at best. Two possible above average players - Holmes and Keller, One elite player- Mangold. The rest are average or below average, at this point in their career. That mix of talent is going to be.... Average. Will be outclassed by good teams and will beat or be in the game with average teams and may beat bad teams.

    Shaun McDaniels, Sean Payton, or the OC for the Giants, cant remember his name, would do no better than Sporano with this level of talent.

    Sad to see how out of touch with today's NFL game the owner, front office and head coach are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    He's better than Greene right now.

    I'm all for alot more Powell myself, as I've said.

    But frankly, why exactly did we hire a Wildcat lov'in O-Co, and the best (only) Option QB in the NFL, and drafted an Option-Blockign Specialist WR (with admitted upside at other skills) to NOT run the option/wildcat at all, even when the rest of the O is proving in a game it cannot produce?

    It's a bit of a non sequiter IMO. If we were going to run a Pro-Style, Gut-Running Greene and occasional downfield toss-up type O, was Sparano really the best choice available for that? Was Tebow as #2 QB? Was Hill as #2 WR? Was retaining Greene as #1 RB?

    It reminds me of the old kids game, "Which of these things doesn't belong". If having a never-know-whats-comign O wasn;t the point, we made ALOT of very odd, not very smart, front office desicions this last offseason.



    Lol.

    I shoukld also point out, this is not a "defend Shotty" thread either.
    Success in the running game has far more to do with execution than predictability.

    As far as your wildcat thoughts, once people realize why Tebow was actually brought here, it will make more sense. The master plan was not to get Sparano and then get Tebow to create this unstoppable wildcat package. Tebow was brought here by the owner.

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    sparano was a terrible head coach whoever thought he would have any success as an offensive coordinator?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Topic title says it all.

    I can't imagaine I am the only one who is quite dissapointed int he rather predictable, vanilla-esque, basic Offense we seem to be running thus far in 2012.

    We got rid of Shotty for this very reason. We fans could call every play before it was run.

    Thus far, I can't say Sparano has been terribly different. Greene up the gut intot he backs of his O-linemen again and I might fall over dead from boredom.

    Like it, love it or loathe it, the Tebow trade was supposed *by most) to bring some degree of inherant unpredictabillity to our offense we were sorely lacking. Sanchex is playing like Sanchez, i.e. underwhelming......and the the Jets O is playing liek Shotty designed it, unassuming.

    If, as so much of the board now seesm to think, the Jets are going to go down in flames a la a MiG 27 hit by a quartet of Sidewinders, I'd at least like to see our O have the balls to mix it up some before we go quietly into the dark night of irrelevance.

    No, I am NOT saying "start Tebow". Nor am I saying "Have Tebow Pass 20 times a game".

    What I AM saying is, lets mix it up. If Tebow is going to be on the field 20 times a game, he should get at least 10 carries (is Greene going to do better?). He should throw at least 1 pass a game ffs. Even if it's an ultra-safe shorty or a "just to scare um" deep ball no one could catch if they tried.

    When your base O can't get it doen, you have two options. Razzle-dazzle and scheme yourself some production. Or just live with yoru limitation, be boring, and lose predictably.

    Sparano ran the Wildcat in Miami alot more than he's doing it here, and he did it better there with less Wildcat talent. Thats not good enough.
    Not sure exactly what you were expecting. Sparano sucked in Miami, and every one of us here were laughing every week at him. The Jets hire him, and all of a sudden he's the next Savior.

    I, for one, expect only average crap from Sparano, because he was only average in Miami.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    You mean apart from the poorly designed playcall in the endzone that led to the Sanchez INT, where to players were almost on top of each other by design?

    Seems alot of fans think simply throwing it deep is enough to make an O unpredictable. Ok, disagree, but ok. Sparano thsu far in my view has been very predictable and the results on the ground especially prove it.

    My point was, I think he can (and has) been far more unpredictable and a better utilizer of the talent he has (and doesn't have). I hope for and expect more and better from him as we move on (this is not a fire Sparano thread, for the record, nothing of the kind).
    I'm not sure if that play was poorly designed, Cumberland ran the wrong route, or Hill did. Cumberland looked like he was going to the same corner as Hill, and then saw him and stopped. If either of those two was not there it's an easy TD. So far I don't like running Greene up the middle on short yardage, and we may take too many shots down field. As always I don't like to run on 2nd and 10, but everyone does it. I don't like Tebow in on long yardage situations, and I'd like to see more screens, and use of McKnight. Other than that it looks like we're just off. That includes Mark, and the receivers. They are young, and learning a new offense, and building timing together. I also think Howard is over matched against speed rushers. Smith may get a chance soon. Other than that we are very close to big games. They need to stay with it until they click, or die trying. The potential is definitely there. Not something you could say when Shotty was around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarjet View Post
    Guys lets face it. The offensive side of this team is just average at best. Two possible above average players - Holmes and Keller, One elite player- Mangold. The rest are average or below average, at this point in their career. That mix of talent is going to be.... Average. Will be outclassed by good teams and will beat or be in the game with average teams and may beat bad teams.

    Shaun McDaniels, Sean Payton, or the OC for the Giants, cant remember his name, would do no better than Sporano with this level of talent.

    Sad to see how out of touch with today's NFL game the owner, front office and head coach are.
    Sad but true...... Out of touch.

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    When you have below average offensive personnel across the board, hire an OC that no other team would have wanted to run their offense, then what do you expect? The last 2 games, the product is pretty consistent with how weak it looked on paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    I fully agree, we're throwing downfield more. Thats good. The leash has been removed from Sanchez to some degree....and it'll be up to him to earn it staying off.

    I also fully agree, our recievers have a bad case of early season oil-hands. Not good, but not Sparano's fault.

    The problem, as I tried to make clear, is in the running game and the aquisition and use of the Wildcat QB Tebow. We're not remotely as productive on the ground as we need to be, and our largest running talent (Tebow, sorry, but it's true) is not getting the ball, nor are we threatening anyone with him in a way that would provide any cover for Sanchez and the RB/WR's on other downs.

    Again, Greene up the middle....again? Why not "Tebow off tackle" instead? Or Tebow throws to a TE so the idea of a thread of a pass exists, and removes teh rpedictabillity of our ground game?

    It's like signing the fastest WR in football and having him run nothing but 5 yard curl routes. We bought this damn asset, it's caused so much controversy and distraction, we damn well better get some milage out of whatever talent that asset has to offer.

    And really, if anyone makes an argument that Greene up the middle is better for us that Tebow up the middle, you're going to have a hard time proving that case.

    Start Powell, run (and pass occasionally) Tebow more. Dump the vanilla.
    When your running backs are too slow to get to the outside, like they never freakin get there, you have to call runs up the middle.

    When your right tackle is the worst lineman on the team, and you don't have a great blocking TE, you can't run a sweep to the right.

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    Sparano is a good coach.
    The problem is talent. Look at what he has to work with. Except for Mangold, Keller, and maybe D-Brick and Brandon Moore, every one of our starters would be on the bench for just about every team in the league. Santonio is a nice #2 receiver for most teams, but on our team he is #1.

    Face it, its not the coaching, its the lack of talent.

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    I'm not disappointed at all. I thought the hire was a bad one from the moment I heard we were talking to him.

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    Warfish what are you talking about? There is no comparison to how different/better this offense is with Sparano. Especially the passing game. Not very predictable either. wtf???

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    Not dissapointed at all in Sparano playcalling. He's a good HC, and a good OC. Much better than Schotty

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    I like Sparano a lot so far. For what Rex wants to do, this is as good as it's going to get for us.

    The problem has been execution.

    WRs that can't beat press coverage and average QB play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB1089 View Post
    I like Sparano a lot so far. For what Rex wants to do, this is as good as it's going to get for us.

    The problem has been execution.

    WRs that can't beat press coverage and average QB play.
    when powell was in the offense was way less predictable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rexipus Rex View Post
    Yep, don't see how anyone could complain about Sparano.

    The onus now is on Sanchez connecting enough down the field. He has connected on at least one each game this year, but he has left far too much yardage on the table by missing a few throws.
    Agreed, outside of Greene getting too many carries not sure you can blame Sparano. At this point he's called three good games, the players aren't executing - bad throws and drop passes.

    Sparano has been MUCH better than Schotty - the guys have to execute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Topic title says it all.

    I can't imagaine I am the only one who is quite dissapointed int he rather predictable, vanilla-esque, basic Offense we seem to be running thus far in 2012.

    We got rid of Shotty for this very reason. We fans could call every play before it was run.

    Thus far, I can't say Sparano has been terribly different. Greene up the gut intot he backs of his O-linemen again and I might fall over dead from boredom.

    Like it, love it or loathe it, the Tebow trade was supposed *by most) to bring some degree of inherant unpredictabillity to our offense we were sorely lacking. Sanchex is playing like Sanchez, i.e. underwhelming......and the the Jets O is playing liek Shotty designed it, unassuming.

    If, as so much of the board now seesm to think, the Jets are going to go down in flames a la a MiG 27 hit by a quartet of Sidewinders, I'd at least like to see our O have the balls to mix it up some before we go quietly into the dark night of irrelevance.

    No, I am NOT saying "start Tebow". Nor am I saying "Have Tebow Pass 20 times a game".

    What I AM saying is, lets mix it up. If Tebow is going to be on the field 20 times a game, he should get at least 10 carries (is Greene going to do better?). He should throw at least 1 pass a game ffs. Even if it's an ultra-safe shorty or a "just to scare um" deep ball no one could catch if they tried.

    When your base O can't get it doen, you have two options. Razzle-dazzle and scheme yourself some production. Or just live with yoru limitation, be boring, and lose predictably.

    Sparano ran the Wildcat in Miami alot more than he's doing it here, and he did it better there with less Wildcat talent. Thats not good enough.
    There is no talent on this offense, no playmakers but Holmes, no running game.

    We are a 5-11 team in the middle of an ugly rebuild on the heels of a somewhat-successful 15 year run and a big push during back to back AFCCG PSL seasons that turned our cap for the worse with a GM hell-bent on building the D at the expense of the O.

    Tony Sparano or Bill Walsh, this offense was doing nothing anyway.

    SAR I

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    There is no talent on this offense, no playmakers but Holmes, no running game.

    We are a 5-11 team in the middle of an ugly rebuild on the heels of a somewhat-successful 15 year run and a big push during back to back AFCCG PSL seasons that turned our cap for the worse with a GM hell-bent on building the D at the expense of the O.

    Tony Sparano or Bill Walsh, this offense was doing nothing anyway.

    SAR I
    true. but it's nevertheless perplexing why greene continues to get most of the carries when powell is averaging twice the YPC with the same anemic offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by augustiniak View Post
    when powell was in the offense was way less predictable.
    I don't think the offense/playcalling is predictable at all...
    Someone give me an example

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    Quote Originally Posted by endgameeugenics View Post
    I don't think the offense/playcalling is predictable at all...
    Someone give me an example
    greene is the lone setback. he gets the ball and runs into the LOS. the dolphins know the play and swarm him. this has happened at least 100 times in the past 2 seasons.

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