"You don't want a President that paid more than he owed in taxes, that's foolish"
Mitt Romney, later
"I paid 1.5 million more than I had to."
The 13 or 14% rate is an artificial number - as in it would be lower if he wasn't running for President and releasing tax returns to the general public.
And again, most of his money goes to the Church of Latter Day Saints - great! Jesus came to the New World and the garden of Eden is in Missouri, am-I-rite?
Since 1985, LDS Charities (aka Humanitarian Services) of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has provided aid regardless of cultural or religious boundaries. Emergency assistance is provided through the Humanitarian Aid Fund, and long-term aid is provided through major initiatives such as clean water, wheelchairs, neonatal resuscitation training, vision care, immunization, food production, and a variety of local area initiatives.
Two tenets of humanitarian aid define LDS Charities: 1) One hundred percent of every dollar donated is used to help those in need without regard to race, religion, or ethnic origin, and 2) LDS Charities helps people attain self-sufficiency so they can be self-reliant long after LDS Charities departs.
In 2011, help was provided to more than 2 million people in 132 countries.
Seems to me an effective use of donated monies, as opposed to some other not for profit organizations
You're wasting your time. SB is a bigot with an emphasis on anti Mormon. Just like FF2 is a bigot with an anti Catholic bias.
I've known a few Mormons. Decent hard working people who are more moral than most.
I think we should all not bash religions here- except Islam, of course. They want to KILL us.
I do not believe either SB or FF would, in their real lives, descriminate against Mormons, Catholics or any other faith. I just don't see it.
E-Rhetoric =/= Bigotry.
Your own bias is obvious, and understandable. But your defense of faith is not different than their criticisms of faith. Neither marks the other as a bigot.I think we should all not bash religions here- except Islam, of course. They want to KILL us.
The one and only area where he has promised to actually cut taxes is on Cap Gains and Dividends for folks with middle class incomes. Today middle class families trying to save need to use things like 529K accounts and traditional IRA's. This would eliminate the need for those programs and simplify the code while encouraging savings.
Warfish, you are a fairly reasonable person. C'mon. FF2 has a few to many anti Catholic rants to be anything but. SB is headed the same way about Mormons.
If someone wants to call me a bigot about Islam. Fine, THAT'S TRUE. I admit it, but warranted. Defense of faith, though, is hardly the same as bigotry. My approach is live and let live. Let a person worship as he sees fit without criticism.
PK hates EVERYTHING. That's his schtick. Laughable but hey, it's PK.
You are arguing my point.Defense of faith, though, is hardly the same as bigotry.
Defense of an Organized Religion is the same as Criticism of that Organized Religion.
It's no different that a liberals Defense of Organized Labor and the alternative Criticism of Organized Labor.
In neither case does criticism = bigotry.
You're free to take that view. Others are free to take other views, especially if the actions of the organized religions in question have effects on them or their lives, or their viewpoints re: society as a whole.My approach is live and let live. Let a person worship as he sees fit without criticism.
I'm not supporting their specific criticism per se, only their inalienable right to express criticism without being labeled as a hateful -ism simply for expressing criticism
After all, isn't just that what many Conservatives argue Liberals do to them, call valid criticism racism, sexism or homophobia?
He is very much a robust critic of human, organized, religion, especially Chrisitianity and (now) Mormonism, aye.PK hates EVERYTHING. That's his schtick. Laughable but hey, it's PK.
I merely say belieive what you will. We should have that opportunity without criticism. Religion is a little different than leg breaking union thugs from the teamsters or CWA.
Now, we all have the right to say whatever about another person's religion or race. However, doing so in a negative way DOES cast one as a bigot, racist or biased.
Calling a liberal un American is not the same. Hey, calling someone a faggot is now a criminal offense in many areas. I do not believe that is an appropriate comment either. Nor a crime.
For $hits and giggles I grabbed a tax return from my files and looked.
Married couple, wife is stay at home, 2 kids. Hubby made $225,000 in 2011.
Adjusted gross income of $231,000
Taxable Income of $183,000
Total Federal tax, incuding AMT tax $40,409
Effective rate of 17 percent, marginal rate 28 percent.
I looked at a few others and same scenario... hubby earns $150K and then the effective rate is only 13 percent.
Conclusion..FACT not OPINION.
Romney paid a higher tax rate than almost ALL married Americans earning $150,000 and less jointly.
Agree to disagree I guess.If I call Judaism a gutter religion (ala some black folks) I AM a bigot. If doggin says Catholics are a filthy pervert religion (FF2 has) he is a bigot.
Agree to disagree, but I STRONGLY disagree with this one.I merely say belieive what you will. We should have that opportunity without criticism.
You have been spouting anti Catholic stuff for a long time. And on many occasions. And I call you on it when I see it. And will continue to call you on it until you cease.
If you want to be uncivil and crude against religion expect to get whacked.
I may be a hard a$$ but religion is a no no.
I don't care who knocks religion. Take a shot at Jews, Quakers, or Baptists or whover (except Moslems) and I will call on it.
I believe very stringly in your right to support, and express support, for a particular religion.
But I equally suport, equally strongly, the rights of others to be equally critical of those same religions if they feel it warranted.
I do not feel that and that alone is equaivalent to bigotry, which is defined as:
To put it in alternative terms, I may be strongly critical of the New York Jets, but that deos not in and of itself mean treat fans or employees of the New York Jets (as a group) with hatred and intolerence."a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance".
So no, I'm not Devil's Advocate'ing here. It is a core fo my beliefs that the freedom to express, positive and negative, is one of the most important we posess, and attempts to stifile it by denouncing, inaccurately, those who may be of an opposing viewpoint as "Bigots", "Racists" or the like is neither appropriate, nor constructive.