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  1. #41
    Change schemes to maximize what the team has and minimize our weaknesses.


    1. OFFENSE

    Go out and find a blocking TE on the street. That shouldn't be so difficult since teams generally don't value them very highly. Jets let one go at final cut-downs. Go to a base 2TE offense with one blocking TE (Reuland or new guy) and one receiving TE (Keller, Cumberland) on every play. This gives max protection for Sanchez and the most push for our running game. It also minimizes the current team weakness of few viable WR. Teams would stack the box against this so Sanchez would have to go deep to Hill and Schillens several times a game to keep the safeties honest. With their speed / size those two are perfect as deep threats.

    2. DEFENSE

    Go to a base 4-3 to get the most talent on the filed at the same time. This also helps with the run defense. Wilkerson, Pouha, DeVito, Coples is a lot of beef that should be able to stop the run. Maybe put Landry at WLB in the 4-3. He hits well enough to stay there and is likely faster than any other LB we have (the team is desperate for speed at LB). Bush or Allen takes Landry's place. Berry as starting CB over Wilson.


    3. GO YOUNGER

    As Suffering said above, bench the under-performing vets and play all the young guys. Bart Scott sits, Davis plays. Powell and McKnight over Greene. Ellis heavy into the DL rotation. Bush and Allen get lots of snaps at safety. Ducasse at OG. McElroy at QB during garbage time. At least this way we can evaluate the current roster for next year to see if there's anybody worth keeping.
    Last edited by lageman4ever; 10-01-2012 at 11:01 AM.

  2. #42
    Tanny will make a couple of trades for aging vets who will be here for a year at the cost of 3rd, 4th and 5th rounder.

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Tinstar View Post
    I don't see it.
    Brick still can't run block at the POA. Mangold has not been the same player since he was Injured last yr. Harris looks like a totally different player with almost half the fan base thinking he's grossly over paid. Keller has always been an over hyped pass catching TE something you don't trade up for and something you don't give big money too.

    Harris, may be injured..He played well last year tho..He did suffer an ankle injury against Carolina and there is a chance he hasn't been close to 100% since..
    Last edited by C Mart; 10-01-2012 at 10:40 AM.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by lageman4ever View Post
    Change schemes to maximize what the team has and minimize our weaknesses.


    1. OFFENSE

    Go out and find a blocking TE on the street. That shouldn't be so difficult since teams generally don't value them very highly. Jets let one go at final cut-downs. Go to a base 2TE offense with one blocking TE (Reuland or new guy) and one receiving TE (Keller, Cumberland) on every play. This gives max protection for Sanchez and the most push for our running game. It also minimizes the current team weakness of few viable WR. Teams would stack the box against this so Sanchez would have to go deep to Hill and Schillens several times a game to keep the safeties honest. With their speed / size those two are perfect as deep threats.

    2. DEFENSE

    Go to a base 4-3 to get the most talent on the filed at the same time. This also helps with the run defense. Wilkerson, Pouha, DeVito, Coples is a lot of beef that should be able to stop the run. Maybe put Landry at WLB in the 4-3. He hits well enough to stay there and is likely faster than any other LB we have (the team is desperate for speed at LB). Bush or Allen takes Landry's place. Berry as starting CB over Wilson.


    3. GO YOUNGER

    As Suffering said above, bench the under-performing vets and play all the young guys. Bart Scott sits, Davis plays. Powell and McKnight over Greene. Ellis heavy into the DL rotation. Bush and Allen get lots of snaps at safety. Ducasse at OG. McElroy at QB during garbage time. At least this way we can evaluate the current roster for next year to see if there's anybody worth keeping.
    +1
    Send this to Rex!

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath View Post
    The move is to go to tebow right now. Scrap this offense and run the denver offense from last year. The problem is, he weighs upwards of 250lbs and is a slug out there. F#ckin Jets.
    What?? So we can limp to an 7-9 finish and have a mid round pick? No this team needs an overall even if that doesn't include the HC. You don't do an overhaul without getting a new signal caller and you only get that by being high in the draft.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    Tanny will make a couple of trades for aging vets who will be here for a year at the cost of 3rd, 4th and 5th rounder.
    He should NOT be allowed to do anything but gather draft picks.

    At this point no one on the team is untradable. Tanny (or preferebly a new GM) should start seeing what our current players value's are and try and trade anyone over 26...

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    So you are saying they have regressed too under Rex's watch?

    Harris, may be injured..He played well last year tho..He did suffer an ankle injury against Carolina and there is a chance he hasn't been close to 100% since..
    No sir. All these players with the exception of Mangold were limited players to start with. These players in my opinion have maximize their potential and have shown us the best of what they are capable of. Mangold, i just have not seen the same player since he injured his foot last yr.

    I have no problem with Harris,because he's a football player if used correctly. Playing in space is not his game and never was. He's an Inside Lber who's terrific against the run and in zone coverage where he's asked to cover a spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suffering View Post
    Well after this disaster. I would like them to Start Davis, Coples, Mcintyre, and Ellis next week. The linebackers are very slow to fill. Put Davis next to Harris and let Harris takeover the Scott role. Coples has to play, he was the only bright spot yesterday. They need to get the young guys in now. Experience for next year, also to see if these guys can play. If not then go in a different direction.

    Dline of Coples - Ellis - Wilkerson

    Linebackers of Pace - Davis - Harris - Mcintyre

    DB Berry - Bell - Landry - Cromartie. I do not care if Berry is just signed off the street. Manningham should have had 3 bomb's yesterday if Smith could throw the football.

    Wilson as the nickel, Lankster as the dime.

    Offense

    Start Powell, let Mcknight be the change of pace and bring Greene in to give Powell a blow. I hate seeing the Pats bringing in this kid Bolden running crazy, Skins have this kid Morris run crazy. Hey give this kid Grimes a shot. I am sick of seeing Greene running in to the back of his oline. The good backs make their own holes, by patience and finding the openings.

    The oline situation. Slauson is horrible and Moore is ancient. Do not think Ducasse is the answer, but he is a strong dude, let him take over for Slauson.

    They need to go out and sign one of these over the hill receivers, Johnson, Burress just for experience. Man I wish Edwards was here now and so does Tanny.

    They need Keller back.

    Totally scrap the Tebow experiment, does nothing but destroy rhythm.
    This is what I'd wish they will do. The other posters remark about hiding behind our record is what i think theyll ACTUALLY do tho. Sigh.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB1089 View Post
    I'm going back through the years, trying to find out how the team wound up like this.

    There's not a single "good" unit on this team right now. The secondary has been reduced to average without Revis.

    We've invested a lot in the defensive line in recent years, but they're not developing.

    The linebackers are terrible. Can't cover or stop the run.

    The offensive line is average in pass protection and can't run block for anything.

    The receivers were bad when we had Holmes. Jeremy Kerley is going to be our #1 receiver next week. LOL!

    The quarterback position is a complete mess. Sanchez is bad, Tebow is worse, and McElroy doesn't have the physical attributes to play in the NFL.

    The running backs aren't worthy of comment.



    Jason posted a very good piece on his site today, that included this bit:



    You need to draft players with great fundamentals now, because you can't work on them in practice anymore. Rex knows how to fix the problems with the run defense by getting them out there on the practice field, with pads, and having them hit people. That's not an option anymore.

    You only get 9 padded practices for the year, and I wouldn't be surprised if Rex has already used more than half of them.

    Guys like Coples need to be on the field as often as possible because it's the only way he's going to develop. He's not going to get better going half speed in shorts and shells during the week.

    It's also hurting our running game. You can't practice running the ball anymore. The yards per carry around the league is plummeting. 60% of the league is below 4 yards per carry. The few teams that do run it well have dynamic backs. It's not a coincidence that Reggie Bush's career took off after the new CBA went into effect. He's hard to tackle and defenses don't practice tackling much anymore. Those are the only guys able to overcome the decline in run blocking. Line coaches are having a hard time "coaching up" their guys without the necessary practice time, and it's really separating the great linemen from the rest.

    Practice time is now best spent on the passing game. That why you read reports from around the league of guys throwing 20-30 passes in 11-on-11s during training camp. We throw 10. Remember how we opened training camp this year with 20-something consecutive runs? Nice use of practice time that was.



    So, getting back to your point, what does Rex and/or the front office do?

    They have to completely change the philosophy of the organization. They have to adapt to the environment that is the new NFL. Fast and smart rules the day.
    Smart.

    I don't know at this point how you compensate. Changes are needed up and down.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Paradis View Post
    After 3 pathetic weeks, the last being a total donut - what do you think t-Rex actually does? What about after the 27-3 cornholing enroute next Monday?


    I really don't know. Bench mark? Can you ACTUALLY see them doing that? No way you can keep pretending like the ship's not on fire.
    I expect them all to accept their plight and to be graceful at their joint firing at the conclusion of the season. They Suck! Rex has built a horribly and inexplicably arrogant culture in Florham Park, one where the players have no respect for each other, their opponents or the fans. There is zero leadership on this team and they come out soft every week. They don't practice hard, constantly resort to arm tackling, and in general play the same way they practice.. half-assed and uninspired.

    Rex has to go. He is a colossal disappointment. I had such high hopes with him. Tanny has to go as well, but that is patently obvious as we knew that years ago. Time to blow this mess up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcat View Post
    I expect them all to accept their plight and to be graceful at their joint firing at the conclusion of the season. They Suck! Rex has built a horribly and inexplicably arrogant culture in Florham Park, one where the players have no respect for each other, their opponents or the fans. There is zero leadership on this team and they come out soft every week. They don't practice hard, constantly resort to arm tackling, and in general play the same way they practice.. half-assed and uninspired.

    Rex has to go. He is a colossal disappointment. I had such high hopes with him. Tanny has to go as well, but that is patently obvious as we knew that years ago. Time to blow this mess up.
    Unfortunately, I have to agree 100% with these statements. It is a gut wrenching disappointment...no doubt about it.

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    Assuming we are talking about 2013 and 2012 plays out as we all suspect it will.

    First thing is a regime change. A proper one. HC and GM and QB.

    Offense: Keep Mangold, Kerley, Brick and Hill. Try to replace everyone else. We are hopeless on offense. It will be a multi-year fix.

    Defense: Full-time change to the 4-3. Move Coples and Wilk to DT. They are not edge rushers, they do not have the speed. Let them bulk up and rotate with Ellis. Sign a MLB that can play in the 4-3. Let Davis play on the weak side and Harris on the strong side. Would prefer to move Harris but his contract makes that impossible. Pray that Landry stays healthy and re-sign him. Find a true free safety, maybe Bush, Allen or McKnigh emerges. Dump Kyle Wilson and Eric Smith, hopefully Berry replaces Wilson. Hope Revis comes back for one more year. Cro is Cro. That leaves DE. Need to draft one or develop one. We need edge rushers. We currently have NONE. Too expensive to sign one.

    Obviously this is not a quick-fix. There is no such thing as a quick-fix for the issues we have. But lets get people playing at their proper positions and create a scheme that suits our players.

    Ultimately we are going nowhere b.c of the offense. Until we find a real QB we will not be a legitimate perennial contender. We will have brief windows like we just had every 10-15 years.

    Shed some salary and take lumps in 2013. Hope to contend for the playoffs in 2014. Yes, barring a miracle, next year will also be futile. We have too many holes on the roster. We have major holes at the two most important positions in the NFL, QB and pass rush.
    Last edited by DDNYjets; 10-01-2012 at 11:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lageman4ever View Post
    Change schemes to maximize what the team has and minimize our weaknesses.


    1. OFFENSE

    Go out and find a blocking TE on the street. That shouldn't be so difficult since teams generally don't value them very highly. Jets let one go at final cut-downs. Go to a base 2TE offense with one blocking TE (Reuland or new guy) and one receiving TE (Keller, Cumberland) on every play. This gives max protection for Sanchez and the most push for our running game. It also minimizes the current team weakness of few viable WR. Teams would stack the box against this so Sanchez would have to go deep to Hill and Schillens several times a game to keep the safeties honest. With their speed / size those two are perfect as deep threats.

    2. DEFENSE

    Go to a base 4-3 to get the most talent on the filed at the same time. This also helps with the run defense. Wilkerson, Pouha, DeVito, Coples is a lot of beef that should be able to stop the run. Maybe put Landry at WLB in the 4-3. He hits well enough to stay there and is likely faster than any other LB we have (the team is desperate for speed at LB). Bush or Allen takes Landry's place. Berry as starting CB over Wilson.


    3. GO YOUNGER

    As Suffering said above, bench the under-performing vets and play all the young guys. Bart Scott sits, Davis plays. Powell and McKnight over Greene. Ellis heavy into the DL rotation. Bush and Allen get lots of snaps at safety. Ducasse at OG. McElroy at QB during garbage time. At least this way we can evaluate the current roster for next year to see if there's anybody worth keeping.
    Post of the year candidate right here

  14. #54
    Sign Aaron Berry (that speaks volumes).

    Woody Johnson the 'Clueless One' needs to roll the dice again to see if he can get lucky again and catch a decent gm or head coach. Then he can can them again and use them as scapegoats if it serves his purpose. We all know that his bottom line is ticket sales and merchandising, don't we?

  15. #55
    Owner must fire Tannenbaum and Rex and hire a true head coach who can handle both sides of the ball. It is very apparent as to why John Harbaugh got the job over Rex in Baltimore:

    Harbaugh is a full coach. Not half a coach.

    Woody should then hand full control to John Gruden and let him pick a GM for him to work with or assist him in that role. If Gruden won't do it, then don't go for Cowher. Perhaps look at one of Jerry Reese's assistants as GM and hire maybe Jay Gruden or somebody else who isn't a retread (I haven't admittedly done much research into this) to be the head coach.

    You have to be resigned to being bad for 2-3 years. The benefit being that the division isn't really that strong, so sneaking into the playoffs isn't out of the question even with a substandard roster.

    The roster will probably need a turnaround of 2-3 years, with special focus on a strong front 7 and slightly better than average defensive line.

    Most importantly, though, the offensive roster cannot be an afterthought. The personnel has to improve immensely. In this regard, this is where you only have to look into the Jets past to understand how to do so:

    You start in the trenches. Similar to how Parcells obtained Mawae.

    From there, you should spend money on a skill position. I believe Dwayne Bowe is a free agent this year and is having a spectacular season with a crappy QB so far.

    Signing him would be a coup. Hill and Kerley are good complementary guys with upside, but neither are going to be great.

    From there it's about careful patience and tempered expectations of a QB. I'm going to cut anybody off at the pass about Matt Barclay. No more West Coast guys in NY. No more USC QB's. Leinart, Marinovich (arguably one of the highest touted prospects ever), Carson Palmer, Sanchez. There's just too high of a failure rate. The Pac 12 is simply not a great a place to pick a QB from based on history.

    Geno Smith looks good and has pretty solid size, something that should not be discounted, but may be the #1 pick this year and our schedule is too soft to get that.

    As such, next year, Tebow probably gets his shot to start in NY, and I also think that Rex gets a new GM for a last year here before a final nail in the coffin on this current regime.

    So really this process is two years off.

    At that point in time, the following players really need to go (remember, this is over two years).

    Bart Scott-Done
    Bryan Thomas-Done
    Calvin Pace-Done
    Mike DeVito-Coples has to get a shot
    Yeremiah Bell-Will earn too much on his next contract
    LaRon Landry-Will earn too much on his next contract, major injury risk
    Shonn Greene-Can't really see a complementary role for a slow RB.
    Joe McKnight-Serves no purpose
    Matt Slauson-Not good enough
    Brandon Moore-Not good enough
    Jason Smith-Not good enough
    Antonio Cromartie-Not worth the money
    Sione Pouha-looks old and done
    Kyle Wilson-really a 4th CB, not worth the money
    Santonio Holmes-Not worth the money
    Clyde Gates-Serves no purpose
    Patrick Turner-Serves no purpose
    Dustin Keller-Poor blocker
    Mark Sanchez-Statistics are worse now than ever, showing regression the past two years
    Tim Tebow-Expecting more than what he did in Denver is nuts and the offense is extremely limited by the necessary system to make him viable
    Aaron Maybin-Buffalo was right, he's a bust


    Yeah it's a lot of turnover, but in general:

    LB must gain speed. Harris is solid, but did you guys see Bowman and Willis yesterday? THEY WERE EVERYWHERE.

    DE needs to apply pressure without requiring a Blitz. DT needs more consistent penetration and disruption.
    WR's need a skill injection. As Tannehill showed, you don't necessarily need big names either, but in NY, the added pressure could necessitate it. Dwayne Bowe would be a coo for this squad.

    TE needs a complementary guy who is a solid blocker. You can't run the ball without good blocking. Vernon Davis and Gronkowski are not the norm. Most guys are great receivers or great blockers. Think Owen Daniels. If Delaney Walker is available, that would be a decent pickup. Otherwise draft.

    I only HOPE that this team gets the makeover that we the fans DESERVE. Band-Aids, smoke, and mirrors will only take us so far............

    Lastly, we want a QB with size and some mobility. 6'-2" or above.

  16. #56
    From what I've seen from the Jets over the last two weeks...well...it looks bad. I'm just waiting til next week to explode. Why...I want to see how a bunch of professional football players and coaches, respond to such a humiliating performance.

    They won't win. But will they fight for 60 minutes? Or just stand there...like they're in a Roman Colosseum...waiting to be fed to the lions.

    Play like a Jet? Last week the Jets didn't compete...didn't feed off the energy of their fans, and show that they had some fight in them. You just don't lose at home like that.

    So frankly...I don't expect much from this bunch anymore.

    Who stays...who goes...Who plays...who sits...that may be all that's left to discuss...if they can't compete anymore.

    I can live with the fact that the Jets, as presently constituted, don't have the firepower to beat the good teams in this league right now. But I thought Jets could beat the Chargers...Cardinals...Seahawks, and the Bills again. Not anymore. Jets have to show up and compete to do that. Don't even know if Jets are competitive enough to beat the Jaguars...Rams...Phins...Titans... and Colts. And if they can't even do that...it's may be time to do the circle-jerk...and blow the whole damn thing up!

    No excuses...Jets should be a team that has a chance to win 9-10 games...maybe even 11. But if they won't compete...they can't do anything. And the blame for that starts at the top with...Woody...to the GM...and the HC-CS...right down to the players. I'll excuse the 1st-2nd year younger players...but certainly not the veterans.

    Let's see what happens next week. I demand to see them put up a fight...with their best effort...but know I'm gonna see much worse then that. No excuses...Jets look done.

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    RESIGN IN DISGRACE!!!

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