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  1. #1

    All on the O? Really?

    Just watched the whole game again.

    First possession, 49ers 3 and out after a penalty 1st down. Good job D.

    Punt. Jets start on the 25.
    Good drive. 1st down, on first pass.
    Sanchez converts a 3rd and long after a penalty negated hi other 3rd and 5 conversion.
    Sanchez takes coverage sack.

    Punt and pin 49s on their 8.

    Defense gives up 45 yards. Punt.

    O pinned on the 2.
    3 and out when Holmes dogs his route and is not ready for a well thrown pass.
    Punt.

    Block in the back puts 49ers on their 32.
    D gives up TD drive. Including a huge run by that monster runner, Manningham.
    And of course, the wildcat for a TD.

    O Takes it at the 20.
    First down
    Tebow throw ending in a fumble.

    49ers take over on Jets 47
    D comes up with 2 big sacks.
    49ers miss FG

    Jets take over 3rd and 1. Have to call a timeout because both pass and run offensive players are off the field. This is a mistake by the O.

    Mangold gets beat. Sanchez gets sacked. Punt.

    49ers take over on their 12.

    convert once.

    Bad punt, Jets take ball on 49ers 47. 1st pass to Kerley, dead on for what should be an 8 yard gain, Kerley runs backwards for about a 5 yard gain.
    Next pass, laser to Holmes who gets drilled from behind and drops. Flag thrown and picked up.
    Throw to Turner right on the money, Turner drops it.

    Personal foul, drive alive.

    Sanchez fumbles while trying to pick up yards. Mistake, but made trying to make something happen. Not good, but not horrible.

    49ers take over on the 26, with less than 2 minutes to go.
    First play is a 23 yard pass.
    D allows a drive to the 17. 49ers kick the field goal.

    Halftime.


    OK, so we are at the half and the D has given up big drive after big drive. The O has performed OK, and Sanchez has been fine, minus the fumble. Where is this "horrible play" everyone is complaining about?


    Second half starts, Jets on 22.
    Sanchez makes great throw to Schillens near the 50.
    At this point, Sanchez is 7/12 for 75 yards. Not world beating stats, but not bad. He has been sacked twice. He throws a bad INT on the screen.


    49ers on the Jets 41.
    First play, 12 yard run. Is the D tired from halftime?

    Bad FG from 49ers.

    This is where it starts to go bad on the O.
    Sanchez throws a bad pass to Cumberland. No idea WTF that was.
    Sails one over Holmes.
    Punt.

    49ers on Their own 40.
    A lot of nothing, except Smith overthrowing Manningham. Punt.

    Jets start on their 2.
    Green does his usual 2 yard runs.
    Sanchez hit in 2 seconds and misses a pass.
    3 and out.

    Terrible punt.

    49ers start on Jets 48.

    Manningham again makes a big run, because, after all, he is a WR.

    Uncovered man gets another 25 yard pass.

    D stops the 49ers to a 4th and 1 on the 2. And to show the respect they have for our D, the niners run straight down our throat for a TD.

    Jets have ball on 35.
    Complete to Holmes to 47.
    Good stab down field, good coverage breaks it up.
    Sanchez sacked, canceled by 49ers penalty.

    Tebow, our hero, loses 3.

    End of 3rd.

    Has the O made mistakes? Yes. Are they playing horrible? No. Is the D playing like poop? Oh hell yes.

    Sanchez throws a nice pass to Holmes, hits him in stride, Holmes has an injury and drops the ball, leading to niners TD.

    Jets take over on the 20. Brick gives up a shoestring almost sack. Incomplete.
    Sanchez is now playing with the Preseason receiving corps.
    Under pressure, nice 8 yrd completion to Kerley.
    3 and out.
    Punt.

    Niners take over on their 32.
    1st play? another 12 yard run.
    Niners are blowing the D linemen off the ball and making big holes for the runners. Number 1 D, right? Rex is a D Genius. (AS long as he has an Ed Reed, or Ray Lewis or Darrell Revis)
    D proceeds to give up 9 yard run after 9 yard run.
    FG

    Jets start on their 20.
    Brick gets beat. Again. For a sack. Cancelled by penalty.
    2 bad throws.
    Sanchez pressured on the snap. Everyone covered, thrown away.

    AND Then the 1 man punt block. Well done. Well done indeed. ST takes up the Mantle of crap play.

    Game is over at this point. Obviously TD and 34-0.

    Rest is academic.

    SO can someone show me where Sanchez was "horrible" or where it was all his fault? From what I see, the D has a giant poop sandwich to eat. Rex needs 2 helpings. As far as I can see the O line gets a nice big bite and Sanchez gets half a sandwich.

    The fumble? So the game is 31-3? That would make it better?
    The INT? 28-3?

    The whole Jets team needs to take a big bite, but Sanchez is not responsible for the biggest bite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by millsan1 View Post
    Just watched the whole game again.

    First possession, 49ers 3 and out after a penalty 1st down. Good job D.

    Punt. Jets start on the 25.
    Good drive. 1st down, on first pass.
    Sanchez converts a 3rd and long after a penalty negated hi other 3rd and 5 conversion.
    Sanchez takes coverage sack.

    Punt and pin 49s on their 8.

    Defense gives up 45 yards. Punt.

    O pinned on the 2.
    3 and out when Holmes dogs his route and is not ready for a well thrown pass.
    Punt.

    Block in the back puts 49ers on their 32.
    D gives up TD drive. Including a huge run by that monster runner, Manningham.
    And of course, the wildcat for a TD.

    O Takes it at the 20.
    First down
    Tebow throw ending in a fumble.

    49ers take over on Jets 47
    D comes up with 2 big sacks.
    49ers miss FG

    Jets take over 3rd and 1. Have to call a timeout because both pass and run offensive players are off the field. This is a mistake by the O.

    Mangold gets beat. Sanchez gets sacked. Punt.

    49ers take over on their 12.

    convert once.

    Bad punt, Jets take ball on 49ers 47. 1st pass to Kerley, dead on for what should be an 8 yard gain, Kerley runs backwards for about a 5 yard gain.
    Next pass, laser to Holmes who gets drilled from behind and drops. Flag thrown and picked up.
    Throw to Turner right on the money, Turner drops it.

    Personal foul, drive alive.

    Sanchez fumbles while trying to pick up yards. Mistake, but made trying to make something happen. Not good, but not horrible.

    49ers take over on the 26, with less than 2 minutes to go.
    First play is a 23 yard pass.
    D allows a drive to the 17. 49ers kick the field goal.

    Halftime.


    OK, so we are at the half and the D has given up big drive after big drive. The O has performed OK, and Sanchez has been fine, minus the fumble. Where is this "horrible play" everyone is complaining about?


    Second half starts, Jets on 22.
    Sanchez makes great throw to Schillens near the 50.
    At this point, Sanchez is 7/12 for 75 yards. Not world beating stats, but not bad. He has been sacked twice. He throws a bad INT on the screen.


    49ers on the Jets 41.
    First play, 12 yard run. Is the D tired from halftime?

    Bad FG from 49ers.

    This is where it starts to go bad on the O.
    Sanchez throws a bad pass to Cumberland. No idea WTF that was.
    Sails one over Holmes.
    Punt.

    49ers on Their own 40.
    A lot of nothing, except Smith overthrowing Manningham. Punt.

    Jets start on their 2.
    Green does his usual 2 yard runs.
    Sanchez hit in 2 seconds and misses a pass.
    3 and out.

    Terrible punt.

    49ers start on Jets 48.

    Manningham again makes a big run, because, after all, he is a WR.

    Uncovered man gets another 25 yard pass.

    D stops the 49ers to a 4th and 1 on the 2. And to show the respect they have for our D, the niners run straight down our throat for a TD.

    Jets have ball on 35.
    Complete to Holmes to 47.
    Good stab down field, good coverage breaks it up.
    Sanchez sacked, canceled by 49ers penalty.

    Tebow, our hero, loses 3.

    End of 3rd.

    Has the O made mistakes? Yes. Are they playing horrible? No. Is the D playing like poop? Oh hell yes.

    Sanchez throws a nice pass to Holmes, hits him in stride, Holmes has an injury and drops the ball, leading to niners TD.

    Jets take over on the 20. Brick gives up a shoestring almost sack. Incomplete.
    Sanchez is now playing with the Preseason receiving corps.
    Under pressure, nice 8 yrd completion to Kerley.
    3 and out.
    Punt.

    Niners take over on their 32.
    1st play? another 12 yard run.
    Niners are blowing the D linemen off the ball and making big holes for the runners. Number 1 D, right? Rex is a D Genius. (AS long as he has an Ed Reed, or Ray Lewis or Darrell Revis)
    D proceeds to give up 9 yard run after 9 yard run.
    FG

    Jets start on their 20.
    Brick gets beat. Again. For a sack. Cancelled by penalty.
    2 bad throws.
    Sanchez pressured on the snap. Everyone covered, thrown away.

    AND Then the 1 man punt block. Well done. Well done indeed. ST takes up the Mantle of crap play.

    Game is over at this point. Obviously TD and 34-0.

    Rest is academic.

    SO can someone show me where Sanchez was "horrible" or where it was all his fault? From what I see, the D has a giant poop sandwich to eat. Rex needs 2 helpings. As far as I can see the O line gets a nice big bite and Sanchez gets half a sandwich.

    The fumble? So the game is 31-3? That would make it better?
    The INT? 28-3?

    The whole Jets team needs to take a big bite, but Sanchez is not responsible for the biggest bite.
    In order for Sanchez to get better he needs a better cast of supporting players. It seems that for some reason whenever the Jets sign a player to a good contract they retract their play performance. Managold is an All Pro center but he and Dbrick need to kick some ass and step up as leaders.

  3. #3
    Lotta effort went into that post. I applaud you for having the stomach to "WATCH" the game again, nevermind analyze it as you did.

    I agree that the D was horrible, and that Sanchez has ZERO talent/playmakers/tools on this team. The saddest part about the Offense is how poorly our offensive line did in both run blocking and pass protection.

  4. #4
    How was the D so horrible? This game was 7-0 with 1:32 to go in the first half and the Jets with posession in SF territory on their way to at least 3 points.

    Did the Defense fumble the ball?
    Did the defense give up arguably the poorest, laziest Int in the history of NFL football?

    I am not thrilled with our defense either, in fact, I agree it sucks, but yesterday they were on the field for almost the entire first half with nothing to show for their efforts and got tired. Don't forget there was a blocked punt and SH fumble returned for 6. The D gave up 20 points, not the 34.
    Last edited by ASH_1962; 10-01-2012 at 08:01 PM.

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    The only thing worse that the Jets play this weekend is fans over-reaction to the outcome.


    C'mon.

    You sit and fart into your sweatpants while eating wings and clogging your arteries.

    And then get up in arms the following day,


    It;s a f*cking game.


    Jesus Christ.


    No wonder y'all need Viagra.

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by millsan1 View Post
    Just watched the whole game again.

    First possession, 49ers 3 and out after a penalty 1st down. Good job D.

    Punt. Jets start on the 25.
    Good drive. 1st down, on first pass.
    Sanchez converts a 3rd and long after a penalty negated hi other 3rd and 5 conversion.
    Sanchez takes coverage sack.

    Punt and pin 49s on their 8.

    Defense gives up 45 yards. Punt.

    O pinned on the 2.
    3 and out when Holmes dogs his route and is not ready for a well thrown pass.
    Punt.

    Block in the back puts 49ers on their 32.
    D gives up TD drive. Including a huge run by that monster runner, Manningham.
    And of course, the wildcat for a TD.

    O Takes it at the 20.
    First down
    Tebow throw ending in a fumble.

    49ers take over on Jets 47
    D comes up with 2 big sacks.
    49ers miss FG

    Jets take over 3rd and 1. Have to call a timeout because both pass and run offensive players are off the field. This is a mistake by the O.

    Mangold gets beat. Sanchez gets sacked. Punt.

    49ers take over on their 12.

    convert once.

    Bad punt, Jets take ball on 49ers 47. 1st pass to Kerley, dead on for what should be an 8 yard gain, Kerley runs backwards for about a 5 yard gain.
    Next pass, laser to Holmes who gets drilled from behind and drops. Flag thrown and picked up.
    Throw to Turner right on the money, Turner drops it.

    Personal foul, drive alive.

    Sanchez fumbles while trying to pick up yards. Mistake, but made trying to make something happen. Not good, but not horrible.

    49ers take over on the 26, with less than 2 minutes to go.
    First play is a 23 yard pass.
    D allows a drive to the 17. 49ers kick the field goal.

    Halftime.


    OK, so we are at the half and the D has given up big drive after big drive. The O has performed OK, and Sanchez has been fine, minus the fumble. Where is this "horrible play" everyone is complaining about?


    Second half starts, Jets on 22.
    Sanchez makes great throw to Schillens near the 50.
    At this point, Sanchez is 7/12 for 75 yards. Not world beating stats, but not bad. He has been sacked twice. He throws a bad INT on the screen.


    49ers on the Jets 41.
    First play, 12 yard run. Is the D tired from halftime?

    Bad FG from 49ers.

    This is where it starts to go bad on the O.
    Sanchez throws a bad pass to Cumberland. No idea WTF that was.
    Sails one over Holmes.
    Punt.

    49ers on Their own 40.
    A lot of nothing, except Smith overthrowing Manningham. Punt.

    Jets start on their 2.
    Green does his usual 2 yard runs.
    Sanchez hit in 2 seconds and misses a pass.
    3 and out.

    Terrible punt.

    49ers start on Jets 48.

    Manningham again makes a big run, because, after all, he is a WR.

    Uncovered man gets another 25 yard pass.

    D stops the 49ers to a 4th and 1 on the 2. And to show the respect they have for our D, the niners run straight down our throat for a TD.

    Jets have ball on 35.
    Complete to Holmes to 47.
    Good stab down field, good coverage breaks it up.
    Sanchez sacked, canceled by 49ers penalty.

    Tebow, our hero, loses 3.

    End of 3rd.

    Has the O made mistakes? Yes. Are they playing horrible? No. Is the D playing like poop? Oh hell yes.

    Sanchez throws a nice pass to Holmes, hits him in stride, Holmes has an injury and drops the ball, leading to niners TD.

    Jets take over on the 20. Brick gives up a shoestring almost sack. Incomplete.
    Sanchez is now playing with the Preseason receiving corps.
    Under pressure, nice 8 yrd completion to Kerley.
    3 and out.
    Punt.

    Niners take over on their 32.
    1st play? another 12 yard run.
    Niners are blowing the D linemen off the ball and making big holes for the runners. Number 1 D, right? Rex is a D Genius. (AS long as he has an Ed Reed, or Ray Lewis or Darrell Revis)
    D proceeds to give up 9 yard run after 9 yard run.
    FG

    Jets start on their 20.
    Brick gets beat. Again. For a sack. Cancelled by penalty.
    2 bad throws.
    Sanchez pressured on the snap. Everyone covered, thrown away.

    AND Then the 1 man punt block. Well done. Well done indeed. ST takes up the Mantle of crap play.

    Game is over at this point. Obviously TD and 34-0.

    Rest is academic.

    SO can someone show me where Sanchez was "horrible" or where it was all his fault? From what I see, the D has a giant poop sandwich to eat. Rex needs 2 helpings. As far as I can see the O line gets a nice big bite and Sanchez gets half a sandwich.

    The fumble? So the game is 31-3? That would make it better?
    The INT? 28-3?

    The whole Jets team needs to take a big bite, but Sanchez is not responsible for the biggest bite.
    you are clueless, when an offense scores 0 points in the first half, they are not playing decent or ok, they are playing terrible. The defense was far from the problem in this game. No sustained drives=no rest for the defense, and this was still a 10 point game deep into the third quarter. The offense put the defense in impossible situations all game and could not take advantage of good field position at all, they even allowed the niner d to score.

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    You are micro-managing the D. The function of defense is to allow as few as points as possible and make sure the O has it's fair share of possessions. I don't care about yards, completions etc. they held SF to 10 points just shy of 3 full quarters. Locker rooms are divided between O and D on good days I hope this doesn't start going real bad in there.

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    Jets longest drive was their opening drive.

    7 plays 30 yards. 23 minutes time of possession.

    Your essay gets a failing grade.

  9. #9
    I agree with a lot of these posts. You are putting way too much on the defense. They gave up some field position, but they gave the offense back the ball. In theory shouldn't our offense be able to gain back some field position at bare minimum? Accepting the offense as some sort of anchor that the D should just lug around with a smile on is foolish. Not buying this argument at all.

  10. #10
    The whole team is a shlt show. It's everyone's fault from Woody, down to the water boy. EVERYONE is to blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santonio View Post
    Jets longest drive was their opening drive.

    7 plays 30 yards. 23 minutes time of possession.

    Your essay gets a failing grade.
    lolz

    That was meant to be funny, right?

  12. #12
    Wow, how can I argue with some of the well thought out replies to this? I spent 2 hours rewatching the game, looking closely at the plays and put together a list of my observations and opinions. To that, I get replies of "they suck" and "nuh uh". Who am I to argue? I have been convinced by the sheer thoughtfulness and insightfulness of the replies. I stand corrected. The entire game was Sanchez fault. Thanks for opening my eyes. Whew.

    And before someone says it, Tone called me and we went over the real reasons, but I can't share.

  13. #13
    The Cowboy game tonight shows you how things spiral out of control when they aren't going well, and other than the strip fumble on the scramble that ruined a drive near end of the first half that would have given Jets at least 3 points before half time, Sanchez didn't turn the ball over the way Romo is throwing it away tonight, and Romo HAS a lot of weapons around him, UNLIKE Sanchez.

    The second half was a sequence of plays that snowballed the game into being worse than it was. The Epps fumble, resulted in a score, the Holmes fumble that resulted in a return for a TD.
    Last edited by Ray Ray19; 10-01-2012 at 11:47 PM.

  14. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by millsan1 View Post
    Wow, how can I argue with some of the well thought out replies to this? I spent 2 hours rewatching the game, looking closely at the plays and put together a list of my observations and opinions. To that, I get replies of "they suck" and "nuh uh". Who am I to argue? I have been convinced by the sheer thoughtfulness and insightfulness of the replies. I stand corrected. The entire game was Sanchez fault. Thanks for opening my eyes. Whew.

    And before someone says it, Tone called me and we went over the real reasons, but I can't share.
    Great thread, thanks for sharing..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    The Cowboy game tonight shows you how things spiral out of control when they aren't going bad, and other than the strip fumble on the scramble that ruined a drive near end of the first half that would have given Jets at least 3 points before half time, Sanchez didn't turn the ball over the way Romo is throwing it away tonight, and Romo HAS a lot of weapons around him, UNLIKE Sanchez.

    The second half was a sequence of plays that snowballed the game into being worse than it was. The Epps fumble, resulted in a score, the Holmes fumble that resulted in a return for a TD.
    but this is ignoring the fact that Alex Smith overthrows and 49er penalties were the only reason it was even a ballgame early.

  16. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by TheMo View Post
    I agree with a lot of these posts. You are putting way too much on the defense. They gave up some field position, but they gave the offense back the ball. In theory shouldn't our offense be able to gain back some field position at bare minimum? Accepting the offense as some sort of anchor that the D should just lug around with a smile on is foolish. Not buying this argument at all.
    Agreed. This team needs more playmakers but above that more effort from the existing cast. Too many quitters and dumb decision making

  17. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Santonio View Post
    but this is ignoring the fact that Alex Smith overthrows and 49er penalties were the only reason it was even a ballgame early.
    Did Smith overthrow his receiver, or did the Jets get pressure rush his throw?

    The fumble was big, but we can't fault Sanchez for trying to make a play there, the defender got him from behind, Sanchez has to be smarter, but he's trying to make a play, he's a competitor.

    The second half was a big momentum change due to turnovers, the Epps fumble on Tebow's first pass was a brutal play, overlooked by all of our internet GM and coaches on this board, that was a crippling change of momentum play because the Jets just got the ball back with good field position and the score still 10-0 with a chance to maybe drive there for a score.

    The Holmes turnover was brutal, he was hurt on the play, I get it, but he has to hold on to the ball there, he just has to, complete lack of mental discipline.

    The Sanchez INT on the deflected screen pass attempt was probably the only really bad play Sanchez had in the second half, there were again several key drops by players, Turner and Cumberland come to mind, both on 3rd down plays.

    Sanchez didn't play well, but he really didn't play that badly if you re-watch the tape. And as the op mentions, the defense didn't have a great day either, but SF made big plays in their wildcat formations and on the reverse plays that caught the defense off guard, but there is no excuse for 17 missed tackles, that's on the D.

    I maintain it's still not the time to give up on Sanchez, not with the players he is forced to work with, the youth, the inexperience, and the injuries, it's a big deal, but people don't want to understand this anymore.

  18. #18
    If you actually read my post, you will see I point out bad anbd good all around. But there are a plurality of posters here blaming Sanchez and Sanchez only, or just give lip service to "the whole team had a bad game, but Sanchez was awful". Re watch the game, or at least read my post and see if I am wrong.

    One of the reasons the D was on the field so long was they were busy giving up 50-80 yard run drives, which chew up a lot of clock. Everyone did poorly, but Sanchez was not at the top nor top half of the problems yesterday.

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    OP you make a lot of valid points and anyone who is blaming Sanchez for the horrid Offense that is trecking out to the field is just looking for a scapegoat because there is plenty of blame to go around for everyone. Sanchez needs weapons out there, which right now he really has none! Our RB's suck and we all know how bad the WR situation is right now.

    The defense has their share of the blame too. If they are tired they can blame themselves for that as well as the Offense. Our inability to stop anyone from running on us is leading to long sustained drives by the other team and the defenses inability to force any 3 and outs.

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    if the D wasnt on the field for the entire 3rd Quarter because of our lolercaust of an offense, then maybe they could have kept the score down.

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