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    MRI, shmem-RI

    People here were incredulous last night when I suggested that Holmes might yet be faking his injury, and unfortunately I had to go to bed so I couldn't explain, but I wanted to set the record straight. First I should say, I work in the health insurance industry doing fraud investigations. You wouldn't believe some of the things people will do to fake an injury for disability payments, etc. Sometimes doctors are in on it so they can bill for nonexistent procedures, but often they're unaware.

    An MRI is a useful diagnostic tool, but it can be fooled in a number of ways.

    One, from an imaging point of view. The most common way to do this is to bring a fake limb into the MRI machine with you. For example, as Holmes is climbing in, he might fold his leg underneath him so it's not within the area being imaged. Then, he could place a cadaver leg (you can get these from medical supply companies) that has the desired injury into the MRI's field. Lizfranc injury you want? Lizfranc injury you have.

    Two, MRI machines are controlled by computers (amazingly, often running the Windows OS). They are also networked to make sharing of images easier. Hackers can and do remotely break into an MRI machine and replace images with others, showing whatever injury they want. We had one case where a member of a hospital's IT staff was getting kickbacks to let attackers through the firewall, but that's far from the only way in. This guy's weird sense of humor got him caught when he replaced one of the images with a picture of a clown.

    Three, an MRI needs to be heavily interpreted sometimes. It's not obvious like an x-ray. A sympathetic doctor could very well misdiagnose a patient while looking at an MRI, especially if the patient is complaining of symptoms consistent with a particular injury.

    You really wouldn't believe what lengths people will go through. We had one guy on an AbioCor (a completely implantable artificial heart). Now, you may not be aware, but artificial hearts aren't usually sold to the patient to be implanted, they're leased, and the cost depends on how many beats per minute the patient wants. That way, those with a sedentary lifestyle don't need to spend as much as those who want to be active. Well, this one guy was an electronics wizard, and he was able to reprogram the heart (they can be wirelessly programmed from close range) to give him more beats per minute than he was entitled to. They guy literally could have been doing jumping jacks while only spending enough money to sit on a couch. And, to add insult to injury, it took almost a year to get a court order to get the heart back.

    So the moral of the story is that I don't have proof that Tone is faking it, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

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    Yawn.

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    bring back merlin! he was at least entertaining.

    p.s. I admit I did get a chuckle at the fake limb theory though

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    wait so holmes carried a cadiver foot/leg in the mri that had the franc injury? i almost fell off my chair.

    and on that note people like this guy work in healthcare its a no wonder things are the way they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nike View Post
    wait so holmes carried a cadiver foot/leg in the mri that had the franc injury? i almost fell off my chair.
    I'm not saying he did, I'm not saying he didn't, I wasn't there. All I'm saying is that it's been done before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EternalChampion View Post
    People here were incredulous last night when I suggested that Holmes might yet be faking his injury, and unfortunately I had to go to bed so I couldn't explain, but I wanted to set the record straight. First I should say, I work in the health insurance industry doing fraud investigations. You wouldn't believe some of the things people will do to fake an injury for disability payments, etc. Sometimes doctors are in on it so they can bill for nonexistent procedures, but often they're unaware.

    An MRI is a useful diagnostic tool, but it can be fooled in a number of ways.

    One, from an imaging point of view. The most common way to do this is to bring a fake limb into the MRI machine with you. For example, as Holmes is climbing in, he might fold his leg underneath him so it's not within the area being imaged. Then, he could place a cadaver leg (you can get these from medical supply companies) that has the desired injury into the MRI's field. Lizfranc injury you want? Lizfranc injury you have.

    Two, MRI machines are controlled by computers (amazingly, often running the Windows OS). They are also networked to make sharing of images easier. Hackers can and do remotely break into an MRI machine and replace images with others, showing whatever injury they want. We had one case where a member of a hospital's IT staff was getting kickbacks to let attackers through the firewall, but that's far from the only way in. This guy's weird sense of humor got him caught when he replaced one of the images with a picture of a clown.

    Three, an MRI needs to be heavily interpreted sometimes. It's not obvious like an x-ray. A sympathetic doctor could very well misdiagnose a patient while looking at an MRI, especially if the patient is complaining of symptoms consistent with a particular injury.

    You really wouldn't believe what lengths people will go through. We had one guy on an AbioCor (a completely implantable artificial heart). Now, you may not be aware, but artificial hearts aren't usually sold to the patient to be implanted, they're leased, and the cost depends on how many beats per minute the patient wants. That way, those with a sedentary lifestyle don't need to spend as much as those who want to be active. Well, this one guy was an electronics wizard, and he was able to reprogram the heart (they can be wirelessly programmed from close range) to give him more beats per minute than he was entitled to. They guy literally could have been doing jumping jacks while only spending enough money to sit on a couch. And, to add insult to injury, it took almost a year to get a court order to get the heart back.

    So the moral of the story is that I don't have proof that Tone is faking it, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.
    Yes, Holmes brought in a cadaver leg into the MRI...Probably planned ahead and had one in his closet for a situation like this..

    And I'm sure this well respected foot specialist will be influenced by Holmes....

    Holmes' MRI results have been viewed by foot specialist Dr. Robert Anderson. Holmes may see Anderson in-person for a second opinion, but that decision hasn't been made yet.

    http://deadspin.com/5948462/now-sant...ot-interesting

    http://www.wcnc.com/sports/Star-athl...149655155.html

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    First Revis was milking his concussion, now Holmes is faking his injury. Some of you people are nuts, everything isnt a conspiracy.

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    Pfail Strip Hall of Fame right here.

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    This thread is just full of win

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    Quote Originally Posted by EternalChampion View Post
    I'm not saying he did, I'm not saying he didn't, I wasn't there. All I'm saying is that it's been done before.
    Yes. People like Holmes have access to Cadaver limbs all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EternalChampion View Post
    as Holmes is climbing in, he might fold his leg underneath him so it's not within the area being imaged. Then, he could place a cadaver leg (you can get these from medical supply companies) that has the desired injury into the MRI's field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 32green View Post
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    LOL... I swear to God, the only thing more dysfunctional than the Jets right now is this forum.

    Cadaver limbs??? COMMON!

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    I know cadaver parts must seem really exotic and hard to procure, but not so. You fill out a form, indicate a need (no proof is required, you can just write "teaching high school science class", and a few days later a FedEx truck arrives with your body parts. They're not controlled substances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard View Post
    LOL... I swear to God, the only thing more dysfunctional than the Jets right now is this forum.

    Cadaver limbs??? COMMON!
    "um...Acme Supply?"

    "Yes, can I help you?"

    "um..you got a black leg about 28 years old with a blowed up foot? A dude"

    "Please Hold"

    "OK"

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    Just found this article:

    Florham Park funeral home reports missing leg on dead man.
    -Newark Star Ledger. 10/2/12

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard View Post
    Pfail Strip Hall of Fame right here.
    The level of stupidity on Jets Insider has no limits. This may be the most popular Jets message board on the net, but along with that are some of the dumbest posts one will ever see. Claiming that Santonio faked this after watching the film clip ranks up there with most moronic threads I have ever seen. And I despise Holmes, but man.. people here need to think before they post. We have many people who post without thinking and post based on emotion rather than logic.

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