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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by 32green View Post
    Oh absolutely.

    That time away from coaching and working out will only serve to light fire's in tired bellies.

    Except, I heard the only failed processes were happening on the field after brilliant practices.

    Go figure.

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    Actually, I'd wager that there are a lot of failed processes vis a vis the coaching staff. Take player evaluation itself. Why is Greene the starting RB ? Why doesn't Powell get more carries since he's more effective than Greene ? Why doesn't Slauson know how to pull and actually block someone instead of standing around looking confused ? Why does John Conner still have a job ? Why is the defensive depth chart currently the way it is ? Why aren't Coples and Maybin getting more playing time >? Why is the entire team lacking in execution ? Why does the entire team seem to not even be able to execute simple fundamentals of football ?

    I'll see if I can dig it up, but Urban Meyer gave a great coaching talk to Ohio HS football coaches. (Trying to remember this off the top of my head, so it might not be exact). He talked about the difference between lecturing/talking and teaching. Talked about how when players seemed to not know what they should be doing, that's a problem with coaching.

    So yeah, I can see where the coaches needed 2 days to check out there own house and make sure it was in order. That they were focusing on the right things and doing things correctly.


    Here's a link to the Meyer's vid:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ2Rvb68pwc

    The part about the difference between "presenting" and "Teaching/coaching" starts at about the 23 minute mark. It's actually well worth watching.
    Last edited by Demosthenes9; 10-03-2012 at 10:48 PM.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes9 View Post
    Actually, I'd wager that there are a lot of failed processes vis a vis the coaching staff. Take player evaluation itself. Why is Greene the starting RB ? Why doesn't Powell get more carries since he's more effective than Greene ? Why doesn't Slauson know how to pull and actually block someone instead of standing around looking confused ? Why does John Conner still have a job ? Why is the defensive depth chart currently the way it is ? Why aren't Coples and Maybin getting more playing time >? Why is the entire team lacking in execution ? Why does the entire team seem to not even be able to execute simple fundamentals of football ?

    I'll see if I can dig it up, but Urban Meyer gave a great coaching talk to Ohio HS football coaches. (Trying to remember this off the top of my head, so it might not be exact). He talked about the difference between lecturing/talking and teaching. Talked about how when players seemed to not know what they should be doing, that's a problem with coaching.

    So yeah, I can see where the coaches needed 2 days to check out there own house and make sure it was in order. That they were focusing on the right things and doing things correctly.


    Here's a link to the Meyer's vid:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ2Rvb68pwc

    The part about the difference between "presenting" and "Teaching/coaching" starts at about the 23 minute mark. It's actually well worth watching.
    I agree that this is likely Rex's analysis of the crisis. There's no point in having the team practice for a game plan when the staff itself has to review its plans, operations and strategy to determine what it is doing wrong and how best to rectify the situation.

    Sometimes just doing something just to give the appearance of doing something is counterproductive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes9 View Post
    Actually, I'd wager that there are a lot of failed processes vis a vis the coaching staff. Take player evaluation itself. Why is Greene the starting RB ? Why doesn't Powell get more carries since he's more effective than Greene ? Why doesn't Slauson know how to pull and actually block someone instead of standing around looking confused ? Why does John Conner still have a job ? Why is the defensive depth chart currently the way it is ? Why aren't Coples and Maybin getting more playing time >? Why is the entire team lacking in execution ? Why does the entire team seem to not even be able to execute simple fundamentals of football ?

    I'll see if I can dig it up, but Urban Meyer gave a great coaching talk to Ohio HS football coaches. (Trying to remember this off the top of my head, so it might not be exact). He talked about the difference between lecturing/talking and teaching. Talked about how when players seemed to not know what they should be doing, that's a problem with coaching.

    So yeah, I can see where the coaches needed 2 days to check out there own house and make sure it was in order. That they were focusing on the right things and doing things correctly.


    Here's a link to the Meyer's vid:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ2Rvb68pwc

    The part about the difference between "presenting" and "Teaching/coaching" starts at about the 23 minute mark. It's actually well worth watching.
    We are in agreement.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Equilibrium View Post
    I agree that this is likely Rex's analysis of the crisis. There's no point in having the team practice for a game plan when the staff itself has to review its plans, operations and strategy to determine what it is doing wrong and how best to rectify the situation.

    Sometimes just doing something just to give the appearance of doing something is counterproductive.
    Yep. SAR will love to hear it (if he doesn't have me on ignore and can see it), but it illustrates that Rex still has much to learn about being a HC.

    That said, it would also illustrate that he is learning and he's willing to change things that aren't working. At least I hope he is.

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    Sigh.... The apple really does not fall far from the tree. "Tired" is Rex-speak for tossing the offense under the bus while handing a nice prepackaged excuse to the defense. If we were truly an elite defense we would stop the other team and keep on stopping them all day and all night NO MATTER HOW BAD THE OFFENSE WAS.

    Way to go Rex. Head Coach of half a team and let's be honest, not doing all that great of a job with that half either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTjetfan52 View Post
    I thought they hired a sleep specialist? Must not have even scouted that guy....
    They used Sweeny Murti...he worked great for Francessa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demosthenes9 View Post
    Yep. SAR will love to hear it (if he doesn't have me on ignore and can see it), but it illustrates that Rex still has much to learn about being a HC.

    That said, it would also illustrate that he is learning and he's willing to change things that aren't working. At least I hope he is.
    I don't "love" to hear anything like this. This is a terrible, awful time for us all. We came so close in 2010 and it feels like it's a million miles away right now. There are no internet victories here, just losses for us all.

    It should be more clear to you than ever before that Rex Ryan is not part of the solution but rather part of the problem. While this team is not as stocked with talent as some other teams we've fielded, they're not this bad. Yet we haven't beaten a single team with a winning record since the Patriots playoff win at the end of the 2010 season, and in all those games we're getting annihilated, not even close.

    The warning signs were there last year. The Jets didn't react. Now they're going to have to. We were sucking before Holmes and Revis went down. Wouldn't have made a difference.

    SAR I

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    Am I the only one that thinks it is worse to say the team isn't conditioned to play a full game? I'd rather think that this is an attitude issue that a good kick in the ass can fix. Other then well we just can't play a full game. WTF Rex!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suffering View Post
    Sar, you are missing Lou Holtz on your hall of shame. Think he needs to be added.
    He was before my time, he didn't torture me personally. Walt Michaels started it, thus he gets the pole position.

    Whomever replaces Rex Ryan just better not be another rookie. I'm done breaking in newbs. Get someone who's cut his teeth elsewhere, will coach like it's his last shot, will get his players to show some sense of urgency.

    SAR I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nike View Post
    then you rotate players use your depth. oh thats right nevermind.

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    I'd be tired too if I had to chase down the opposing rbs from behind all game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    He was before my time, he didn't torture me personally. Walt Michaels started it, thus he gets the pole position.

    Whomever replaces Rex Ryan just better not be another rookie. I'm done breaking in newbs. Get someone who's cut his teeth elsewhere, will coach like it's his last shot, will get his players to show some sense of urgency.

    SAR I
    If his team doesn't get to the 8-8 mark- Andy Reid anybody?

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    "Fatigue makes COWARDS of us all".
    Vince Lombardi


    Posted on my loccker room wall in colege and I am certain quite a few others.


    Rex, have the guys in shape or QUIT as coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    I don't "love" to hear anything like this. This is a terrible, awful time for us all. We came so close in 2010 and it feels like it's a million miles away right now. There are no internet victories here, just losses for us all.

    It should be more clear to you than ever before that Rex Ryan is not part of the solution but rather part of the problem. While this team is not as stocked with talent as some other teams we've fielded, they're not this bad. Yet we haven't beaten a single team with a winning record since the Patriots playoff win at the end of the 2010 season, and in all those games we're getting annihilated, not even close.

    The warning signs were there last year. The Jets didn't react. Now they're going to have to. We were sucking before Holmes and Revis went down. Wouldn't have made a difference.

    SAR I
    I was was one of the guys knowingly drinking the Kool Aid ... Acknowledging that the team was not very good but 'might win on any given Sunday' ... SAR is 100 percent correct here. We have not beaten a good team convincingly since I don't know when. Most of our wins were by a touchdown or less. What really sucks is that compared to the really good teams like New England and Green Bay the difference was crystal clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    Knute Rockne would have had his team stay late on Sunday, work both Monday and Tuesday, and request their game checks back.

    Rex Ryan gives his players a four-day weekend.

    SAR I
    Sar, do you think it's time the Jets hired the hypnotist from the movie "The Natural"? Look what it did for the Knights.

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    We have beaten teams with winning records at the time we played them since that patriots game... If you want to use the excuse that they finished the year with a losing record than you can't take any game this season into account until week 16. I'm not saying that this season hasnt been a clear disappointment so far but thats a silly argument at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunnie View Post
    I was was one of the guys knowingly drinking the Kool Aid ... Acknowledging that the team was not very good but 'might win on any given Sunday' ... SAR is 100 percent correct here. We have not beaten a good team convincingly since I don't know when. Most of our wins were by a touchdown or less. What really sucks is that compared to the really good teams like New England and Green Bay the difference was crystal clear.
    Me too. Probably most of us. I'm as die hard a green and white fan as they get and this sh*t is killing me. But it's true. Look at the consistently good teams: NE, Packers, Steelers. Tough-minded coaches. Tough players. Stay out of the headlines. Go to work. Be in every game. Don't buy into any of your own hype. I keep using the word HUBRIS:

    Hubris ( /ˈhjuːbrɪs/), also hybris, from ancient Greek ὕβρις, means extreme pride or arrogance. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one's own competence or capabilities, especially when the person exhibiting it is in a position of power.

    The adjectival form of hubris is "hubristic".

    I've enjoyed the Rex show but think he really doesn't have what it takes, in the end, to be a Mike McCarthy-type of coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetfan16 View Post
    If his team doesn't get to the 8-8 mark- Andy Reid anybody?
    sign me up.

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