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  1. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    Yea... it's the "greatest" generation's fault, right?

    Damn GI Bill - one great big entitlement for defeating the Nazi's and Imperial Japan... simultaneously... while in a depression.

    And yea, we know, you're rich. Keep f***in' that chicken buddy. I guess you're better than those who have used food stamps, like George Romney.

    And you have done exactly what? An OWS type leech?
    I don't think anyone us entitled to anything except the OPPORTUNITY to excel.
    That would be a little much to expect from your caliber.

  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    And yea, we know, you're rich. Keep f***in' that chicken buddy. I guess you're better than those who have used food stamps, like George Romney.
    Well, in fairness, who would know more about what it takes to become rich, an old rich guy with a lenght resume of life and success like Palmetto?

    Or a kid just starting out with no resume of note yet and squarely in the lower-middle (i.e. low-net-tax-paying) class, such as yourself?

    And on the secon note, yes, I am better than a person on food stamps. Better means "Of a more excellent or effective type or quality". Obviously, if I am not requiring public aid, I am more excellent and of a higher effective quality (employment wise) than the food stamp recipient. So are you. When did doing and being "better" become an unpardonable sin?

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by copernicus View Post
    Some "needy" kids are walking around with designer sneakers and newest generation ipods. How about the rest that arent? There are numerous kids in my classes presently who do not get cable tv or have internet.

    In the end, what difference does it make? I am educated, I have the means to purchase cable TV and the internet. I also enjoy PBS television programing because I believe I am get less corporate driven bias than on other stations. I believe that shows like Frontline and NOVA are extremely important to all American people, not just the poor. It keeps everyone in check much more than stations who rely on corporate sponsorship.

    Its not surprising that Romney would want to take this station away from all citizens. Many of the programs on PBS investigate big corporations and how they wrong the common person.
    PBS major benifactors are corporations who fund a much greater share of PBS then the Federal Government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Well, in fairness, who would know more about what it takes to become rich, an old rich guy with a lenght resume of life and success like Palmetto?

    Or a kid just starting out with no resume of note yet and squarely in the lower-middle (i.e. low-net-tax-paying) class, such as yourself?

    And on the secon note, yes, I am better than a person on food stamps. Better means "Of a more excellent or effective type or quality". Obviously, if I am not requiring public aid, I am more excellent and of a higher effective quality (employment wise) than the food stamp recipient. So are you. When did doing and being "better" become an unpardonable sin?
    Yea, we shouldn't compare a kid just starting out with an old rich guy - so that rich guy is a d*ck for saying "I pay for your food stamps"... the assumption being I'm on food stamps, which I'm not. But even more to the point, why belittle someone on food stamps when we know from this election, someone can go from food stamps to CEO of GM, Governor of Michigan and a Presidential candidate.

    Yes, you're more productive than someone on food stamps - without taking anything but money into context. I would just say "better" is one of the words that connotates classism. Even if you don't mean it that way, even if you mean it as productive, using the phrase "I am better than a person on food stamps", and this is just advice to you, just comes off like you're assuming everyone on food stamps is a lazy POS that had the same opportunities and luck that you had but squandered it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    And you have done exactly what? An OWS type leech?
    I don't think anyone us entitled to anything except the OPPORTUNITY to excel.
    That would be a little much to expect from your caliber.
    So you believe folks are entitled to opportunity?

  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    In truth it was not the Baby Boomers who fouled it all up. They certainly contributed to it though.
    The process began with those "Greatest Generation" people. They were the ones who demanded college education. And the beginning of the associated debt. And entitlements.
    And war? With respect to those who have been injured and killed, the little affairs in Iraq and Afghanistan were/are, as I would call them "duck hunts".
    It does seem though that the boomers have done no better job than their parents in general in raising children though.
    There are many of us boomers who did things the right way and have transferred those value to out children. Obviously you are not one of the ones who received that benefit.
    The greatest generations biggest fault was producing big families. Had they had more access to cheap effective birth control, the morning after pill and abortions, we may not have had a baby boom that is about to swamp our ability to pay for a reasonably sound social safety net.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Well, in fairness, who would know more about what it takes to become rich, an old rich guy with a lenght resume of life and success like Palmetto?

    Or a kid just starting out with no resume of note yet and squarely in the lower-middle (i.e. low-net-tax-paying) class, such as yourself?

    And on the secon note, yes, I am better than a person on food stamps. Better means "Of a more excellent or effective type or quality". Obviously, if I am not requiring public aid, I am more excellent and of a higher effective quality (employment wise) than the food stamp recipient. So are you. When did doing and being "better" become an unpardonable sin?

    Well, you are observant as usual wf (even if the thought was somewhat a back handed one - LOL). No problem. I like your style.
    I AM older (not that old still active) and rich. I have had a rich life experience, well rounded and have contributed to society, not just through taxes, but community involvement.
    I have never taken anything from the government, except the excellent and valuable experience of serving in the military.
    Those who are young and short in the resume area do not fully YET understand what it takes. Standing on your own is important. It's pride.
    Some need to accept short term help because of economic situations. That's fine. Perpetual assistance is just wrong and enables the soft to become softer.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    Yea, we shouldn't compare a kid just starting out with an old rich guy - so that rich guy is a d*ck for saying "I pay for your food stamps"... the assumption being I'm on food stamps, which I'm not.
    I agree that stating "you" are on Foodstamps without you having siad you were is inappropriate in civil discourse.

    But I'm not one to talk tbh, I get carried away from time to time too, and need a reminding that the people here are often my e-friends and fellow Jets Fans, and should be treated with more respect.

    But even more to the point, why belittle someone on food stamps when we know from this election, someone can go from food stamps to CEO of GM, Governor of Michigan and a Presidential candidate.
    It's not the policy, it's the number fo people on it, the abuse within it, the perpetual recipients, and the cost of it to the rest of us.

    Yes, you're more productive than someone on food stamps - without taking anything but money into context.
    Compensation is what you get for work in this world. It's the only judge of the "worth" of your labor.

    I would just say "better" is one of the words that connotates classism. Even if you don't mean it that way, even if you mean it as productive, using the phrase "I am better than a person on food stamps", and this is just advice to you, just comes off like you're assuming everyone on food stamps is a lazy POS that had the same opportunities and luck that you had but squandered it.
    You're free to take it how you like. I am better than someone on state-provided benefits, because no matter my own hardships, I have never taken state-provided benefits.

    If that makes me a "classist" so be it. It is my view that being on benefits has lost alot of teh shame that SHOULD come with it, and those successful/hard working who don't use them are demonized more often than those who are on it. I'm not concerned if I hurt the feelings of a welfare recipient by saying I, a successful worker whose never taken a dime, is better than them in the realm of success and employment.

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    So you believe folks are entitled to opportunity?

    Opportunity yes. I have YET to meet a single person in this country IN MY ENTIRE LIFE who did not have an opportunity to succeed.
    Opportunity is an entitlement. Success is not.

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    Opportunity yes. I have YET to meet a single person in this country IN MY ENTIRE LIFE who did not have an opportunity to succeed.
    Opportunity is an entitlement. Success is not.
    You would (IMO) define Opportunity as "freedom of action, and freedom from Government action against you without cause".

    I'm guessing he will define Opportunity as equal economic and social circumstances. By definition, he would view your child and his (assuming either of you have kids) as inherantly unequal in their opportunity, because you're rich, and he's not. Freedom of action in that worldview is a irrelevancy compared to equallity of economic and social access.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    The greatest generations biggest fault was producing big families. Had they had more access to cheap effective birth control, the morning after pill and abortions, we may not have had a baby boom that is about to swamp our ability to pay for a reasonably sound social safety net.
    Wow. Sounds like China had it right all along

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    The greatest generations biggest fault was producing big families. Had they had more access to cheap effective birth control, the morning after pill and abortions, we may not have had a baby boom that is about to swamp our ability to pay for a reasonably sound social safety net.

    Essentially you had 12 million men under arms coming home all around the same time. And guess what happens to all those horny guys and their wives.
    Birth control? There was no real birth control at that time. No pills. And birth control was forbidden by the Catholic Church. Other churches may have had policies on this also.
    It wasn't having the babies. It was the attitude of the new families, workers and the values they ultimately imparted to their children - the boomers.

  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    You would (IMO) define Opportunity as "freedom of action, and freedom from Government action against you without cause".

    I'm guessing he will define Opportunity as equal economic and social circumstances. By definition, he would view your child and his (assuming either of you have kids) as inherantly unequal in their opportunity, because you're rich, and he's not. Freedom of action in that worldview is a irrelevancy compared to equallity of economic and social access.


    Your assumption of my definition is correct. His? You are probably right.

    I base my concepts on observation and occurance. I grew up fairly poor. Not dirt poor. I had the opportunity to achieve in the classoom and in sports. Much of that I attribute to parental direction (parental demand LOL).
    It was an unceasing effort.
    I had friends in identical opportunity circumstances (some with more talent) who fell by the wayside. Guys (and girls) who never made it to college. Guys who made it to college, squandered it and wound up as door gunners in Vietnam.
    Everyone is not a CEO (or a senior exec). Everyone is not a champion. It's earned by effort.

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    So you believe folks are entitled to opportunity?
    I would LOVE to hear just one example of an American citizen that does not have the "opportunity" to pursue success . . .

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by JetPotato View Post
    Wow. Sounds like China had it right all along
    China by setting a tyranical political standard of negative population growth is setting itself up for a reverse pyramid that is much worse than what we are facing today.

    They will be dumping our bonds unless they can quickly mechanize their society and become so efficient that a few can support the many.

    There is something between reasonable population growth and negative population growth. Family planning is much better then government policy when the tools are available for families to properly plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    Yea, god bless the boomers, the folks who in middle age, recked the country because they had "mid-life crises". Thanks for that.
    Uh, yeah, it was the boomers, but it had nothing to do with them reaching middle age. The country started down the path to sh:tsville when the boomers became dipsh:t hippies and started their "counterculture revolution" (counter to what until then had been the most prosperous and productive and benevolent and generous culture in the history of the planet) and pushed liberalism to new whacko extremes, in large numbers.

    Obama's "fundamental transformation" is more of the same insidious and destructive crap, in a new wrapper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakin318 View Post
    Uh, yeah, it was the boomers, but it had nothing to do with them reaching middle age. The country started down the path to sh:tsville when the boomers became dipsh:t hippies and started their "counterculture revolution" (counter to what until then had been the most prosperous and productive and benevolent and generous culture in the history of the planet) and pushed liberalism to new whacko extremes, in large numbers.

    Obama's "fundamental transformation" is more of the same insidious and destructive crap, in a new wrapper.
    The problem isn't that we had a "baby boom"-- it's that we've created a society that EXPECTS each one of them to be taken care of, regardless of what they did to help themselves.

    Socialism at its finest . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    Essentially you had 12 million men under arms coming home all around the same time. And guess what happens to all those horny guys and their wives.
    Birth control? There was no real birth control at that time. No pills. And birth control was forbidden by the Catholic Church. Other churches may have had policies on this also.
    It wasn't having the babies. It was the attitude of the new families, workers and the values they ultimately imparted to their children - the boomers.
    Why should anyone have to justify or explain to libs the desire of our forebears to, in a time of peace and prosperity that had not been known for nearly 2 decades, to have as many kids as they wanted and to spoil them as they themselves had never been, as if it was a sin or a crime? People who snuff babies in (or out) of the womb with impunity never get this kind of scrutiny, why look back in history to besmirch the GG who WILLFULLY went forth and multipled?

    As for the idiots in the left wing suggesting reducing benefits owed to those who have paid in for decades after having ushered in the system and raiding it, I suggest we 1st kick the illegals who never paid a dime into it and milk it dry the f out...while simultaneously using the newfangled technology called the computer to eliminate the waste and fraud libs have already embedded into it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet View Post
    Why should anyone have to justify or explain to libs the desire of our forebears to, in a time of peace and prosperity that had not been known for nearly 2 decades, to have as many kids as they wanted and to spoil them as they themselves had never been, as if it was a sin or a crime? People who snuff babies in (or out) of the womb with impunity never get this kind of scrutiny, why look back in history to besmirch the GG who WILLFULLY went forth and multipled?

    As for the idiots in the left wing suggesting reducing benefits owed to those who have paid in for decades after having ushered in the system and raiding it, I suggest we 1st kick the illegals who never paid a dime into it and milk it dry the f out...while simultaneously using the newfangled technology called the computer to eliminate the waste and fraud libs have already embedded into it
    You are right. And I SHOULD know better. Trying to explain and justify things to the left is impossible. It actually is a no win situation. My competitive nature to try.
    ust do not like to let bizarre statements go untouched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post

    It's not the policy, it's the number fo people on it, the abuse within it, the perpetual recipients, and the cost of it to the rest of us.
    But see, in a global recession and almost depression (if not for TARP, even with its flaws) the number of people collecting food stamps in this country will increase. It doesn't mean the increase in folks on food stamps are scammers.

    And what percentage of the budget is the entire care for the poor, social welfare state, about 10% of the budget?


    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Compensation is what you get for work in this world. It's the only judge of the "worth" of your labor.
    Yes, the "worth" of your labor, but that alone is not your "worth" as a person. Not every person that makes more money than you is a better person than you, no?

    Santonio Holmes.

    'nuff said

    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    You're free to take it how you like. I am better than someone on state-provided benefits, because no matter my own hardships, I have never taken state-provided benefits.

    If that makes me a "classist" so be it. It is my view that being on benefits has lost alot of teh shame that SHOULD come with it, and those successful/hard working who don't use them are demonized more often than those who are on it. I'm not concerned if I hurt the feelings of a welfare recipient by saying I, a successful worker whose never taken a dime, is better than them in the realm of success and employment.
    Whatever, I think your position is one of someone who thinks everyone who's getting help for the government is weak, and that since you didn't need it, you can look down upon them.

    Circumstances are a big factor in life. If my dad skipped town and my mom was an alcoholic, does that mean I'm just f***ed? - that's absolutely not the case, but I'm just saying, circumstances matter.

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