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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet View Post
    0care was passed on March 21, 2010 by bypassing the filibuster.
    People got pissed, then turned over the House to (R) precisely to
    prevent any more damage.
    Back to study hall, kid.
    ooh nice zinger, kid.

    the Tea Party were able to get a huge turnout in a midterm election. The opposition almost always have this advantage.

    Obamacare is supported by a huge majority of the country when broken into individual parts, the only reason for its opposition is right wing hysteria about death panels and nonsense like that. Much like you see with desperate Fox news trying anything they can to drum up Libya Libya Libya 24 hours a day by cherry picking pieces of information and painting an absurd picture that's obviously silly.

    Of course none of this has to do with your original assertion that Obama had a meaningful majority for 2 years when he had to bypass the filibuster to get through a single thing and then didn't have that ability outside of the first 6 months.

    lol at the dopes in this forum trying to cling to anything they can no matter how obviously at odds with the facts or silly it is.

    "Obamacare gonna cost 100 trillion dollarzzzz zomg"
    "Jay z and Jamie Foxx!!!"
    "the world hates us!" - this one i especially like from probable Bush supporters, Obama crushing Romney in favorability polls in every single country on earth except Pakistan.
    "herp derp his middle name is Hussein!"
    "he hasn't managed to create magic on the economy after the worst recession in 70 years!"
    "he won't respond to and validate the right wing scandal factory when it comes to Libya libya Libya!"

    It's like dealing with a bunch of children.

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    You have to learn to remember to take the hysterically braindead teabaggers with a grain of salt.

    They are about to get whupped after reaching their apex of noise in 2010 and have been pretty much marginalized into the Fakes News watching, Newsmax and other propaganda reading zealot robots you see posting here

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    I'm a right leaning moderate who thinks Obama doesn't get enough credit for being 10x more effective than Bush was at going after terrorists. Bush's trillion dollar needless death hard on for Iraq allowed Afghanistan to needlesly fester. Too bad this will all be overshadowed with his F-up in Libya...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetsFan24 View Post
    Yeah, I obv meant super majority which is all that's relevant when the GOP is filibustering every single thing he tries to get passed.

    http://538refugees.wordpress.com/201...majority-myth/




    Nice try though
    Why do you bother? These guys believe "He had a house majority" as if.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestCoastOffensive View Post
    Why do you bother? These guys believe "He had a house majority" as if.

    Desperate Parties Make Desperate Statements.®
    as if it meant an effective majority against an obstructionist Party, yes I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetsFan24 View Post
    as if it meant an effective majority against an obstructionist Party, yes I agree.
    exactly; as if the filibusters didn't figure into the current results we have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatriotReign View Post
    I'm a right leaning moderate who thinks Obama doesn't get enough credit for being 10x more effective than Bush was at going after terrorists. Bush's trillion dollar needless death hard on for Iraq allowed Afghanistan to needlesly fester. Too bad this will all be overshadowed with his F-up in Libya...
    Really. And all without the waterboarding that W did that led to OBL.

    How about 1000000x less effective: Besides bowing and scraping to the keeper of his holy book and cube, B. Hussein did and does nothing about uprisings within the Iran-Syria axis, and has only placed weak sanctions on Iran for its nuclear program which continues apace. Instead the MinC took great pains to needlessly destabilize other nations in the ME now lousy with Al Qaeda types that were supposedly eradicated with the demise of certain principals...Zawahiri, Mullah Omar and many others are still at large.

    So we have Iraq's nonexistent WMDs in Syria that we are told by 0's govt that we now must be concerned about; Al Qaeda along with Libyan arms and SAMs all over N. Africa and the ME Gd knows where (Mali, et al); and because Obungler decided to exit Iraq completely, Iraq is now alleged to be a waystation for arms trafficking. Is all of this ^^^ needful or needless?

    You know that most of the US deaths in Afghanistan have occurred after 0 took office, right? After the surge. His regime has foisted absurd ROE on the military which has led to needless American deaths.

    The only year Iraq ever made up the majority of the US deficit was 2007, the year of the surge. The cost high but dwarfed by entitlements overall. Whether you were for or against that war, it's over. OweBowMao's needless spending hardon for stimulus waste alone is going to cost at least 3T through 2019. And thats before the waste of PPACA and suchlike.

    etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestCoastOffensive View Post
    exactly; as if the filibusters didn't figure into the current results we have now.
    (D) still holds the Senate; Harry Reid has had years to put a budget together. Imagine® what you will.

    Don't worry comrade, dacha and shashlik in KSSR still safe!

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    Sorry JSJ but you are sounding more like a deranged mental case each day as Election Day approaches.

    Everyone who doesn't agree with your crazed ranting is a Communist???

    Have you no shame, Senator??

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    Sorry JSJ but you are sounding more like a deranged mental case each day as Election Day approaches.

    Everyone who doesn't agree with your crazed ranting is a Communist???

    Have you no shame, Senator??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet View Post
    Really. And all without the waterboarding that W did that led to OBL.

    How about 1000000x less effective: Besides bowing and scraping to the keeper of his holy book and cube, B. Hussein did and does nothing about uprisings within the Iran-Syria axis, and has only placed weak sanctions on Iran for its nuclear program which continues apace. Instead the MinC took great pains to needlessly destabilize other nations in the ME now lousy with Al Qaeda types that were supposedly eradicated with the demise of certain principals...Zawahiri, Mullah Omar and many others are still at large.

    So we have Iraq's nonexistent WMDs in Syria that we are told by 0's govt that we now must be concerned about; Al Qaeda along with Libyan arms and SAMs all over N. Africa and the ME Gd knows where (Mali, et al); and because Obungler decided to exit Iraq completely, Iraq is now alleged to be a waystation for arms trafficking. Is all of this ^^^ needful or needless?

    You know that most of the US deaths in Afghanistan have occurred after 0 took office, right? After the surge. His regime has foisted absurd ROE on the military which has led to needless American deaths.

    The only year Iraq ever made up the majority of the US deficit was 2007, the year of the surge. The cost high but dwarfed by entitlements overall. Whether you were for or against that war, it's over. OweBowMao's needless spending hardon for stimulus waste alone is going to cost at least 3T through 2019. And thats before the waste of PPACA and suchlike.

    etc.
    Kind of hard to follow your post but your point about Iraq kind of proves my point. Their election, borne of US blood and taxpayer trillions was used to elect a pro Iranian leader who forged oil industry ties to China. The irony is sickly.

    Yes, the war in Iraq is over because Obama ended it. McCain chided him for even suggesting that we end it 4 years ago. Never should have been in Iraq...period. Hussein was zero threat to US National Sceurity and the no fly zones made him militarily impotent. It was a needless spilling of US blood and a massive drain on US taxpayers. I get concerned when Romney alludes to devoting more troops to Afghanistan when we are finally drawing down after a decade over there and letting the Afghans fight for their country.

    This may come as a shock but we can't change the governments of foreign countries or convince them all to become Jeffersonian democracies. So what is your proposal, should we put troops on the ground in Syria to find those relenetlessly elusive WMDs or should we have the US troops fight Syria's civil war for them?

    The uprisings in the ME were a zero win propostion for the US either way. We did not tell the masses to protest against their respective countries. You are naive if you think we could've saved Mubarak when his own military gave him the wink and nod to screw. Or do you beleive that we sould've backed Mubarak if he decided to pull an Asaad and slaughter any and all opposition? You can't have it both ways.

    Libya's army fell relatively quickly. Should we have provided military support to Khadaffi for the sake of regional stability?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatriotReign View Post
    Kind of hard to follow your post but your point about Iraq kind of proves my point. Their election, borne of US blood and taxpayer trillions was used to elect a pro Iranian leader who forged oil industry ties to China. The irony is sickly.

    Yes, the war in Iraq is over because Obama ended it. McCain chided him for even suggesting that we end it 4 years ago. Never should have been in Iraq...period. Hussein was zero threat to US National Sceurity and the no fly zones made him militarily impotent. It was a needless spilling of US blood and a massive drain on US taxpayers. I get concerned when Romney alludes to devoting more troops to Afghanistan when we are finally drawing down after a decade over there and letting the Afghans fight for their country.

    This may come as a shock but we can't change the governments of foreign countries or convince them all to become Jeffersonian democracies. So what is your proposal, should we put troops on the ground in Syria to find those relenetlessly elusive WMDs or should we have the US troops fight Syria's civil war for them?

    The uprisings in the ME were a zero win propostion for the US either way. We did not tell the masses to protest against their respective countries. You are naive if you think we could've saved Mubarak when his own military gave him the wink and nod to screw. Or do you beleive that we sould've backed Mubarak if he decided to pull an Asaad and slaughter any and all opposition? You can't have it both ways.

    Libya's army fell relatively quickly. Should we have provided military support to Khadaffi for the sake of regional stability?
    Sorry I overestimated your intelligence. I'll attempt to ruminate the words in a smoother MSM-like pablum for you.
    Net, the Iraq war took out 2 belligerents but was too long in coming given that (D) demanded paperwork and approvals that apparently they don't need for their wars...

    B. Hussein's cleanup of despots for the sake of his Al Qaeda brethren ignored the Iran-Syria axis completely
    (although there is some chatter that Libyan arms were supposed to reach Syrian "rebels" )

    Without getting into a RonPaulstiltskin-type Cost-Benefit analysis of war or whether we should have gone to Iraq, no one should cry over despots being deinstalled whoever does it. However, it helps America only when we can prevent new despotic al Qaeda / Taliban types from replacing them which OweBowMao has clearly failed to do. Now we have dead Americans but its only 4 so I suppose that is only sub-optimal and not catastrophic. It can't compare to some guys busting into an empty office late at night and lying about it, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    Sorry JSJ but you are sounding more like a deranged mental case each day as Election Day approaches.

    Everyone who doesn't agree with your crazed ranting is a Communist???

    Have you no shame, Senator??

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    Well, WCO is a commie, but he's a commie we should all know and love
    because he's got faith, a kind heart and looks for the good and positive in everythin'.
    Not a drug-addled nihilist prone to nostrums and superstitions and unlistenable "music".
    He would never put anyone on an ignore list; he knows what he knows, he doesn't know what he doesn't know, he doesn't know what he knows, and
    he knows what he doesn't know. Could be a lot, could be a little, who knows. Ya know?
    He sometimes will even issue a waiver against Politburo protocol. The Gorbachev of JI as it were.

    Now where was I? Oh yeah, take a hike Skippy, it's time for your fruit cup and mush anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet View Post
    ...because he's got faith, a kind heart and looks for the good and positive in everythin'.
    Not a drug-addled nihilist prone to nostrums and superstitions and unlistenable "music".
    So basically WCO is the polar opposite of you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    So basically WCO is the polar opposite of you?
    No, he's the polar opposite of you.

    Did you overlook the "has faith...not a drug-addled nihilist...unlistenable music" part.

    You're the bipolar opposite of me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet View Post
    No, he's the polar opposite of you.

    Did you overlook the "has faith...not a drug-addled nihilist...unlistenable music" part.

    You're the bipolar opposite of me.
    Oh.

    I thought that by drug addled you meant Cialis, Centrum Silver, Celebrex and Vitalis.


    Lots of Vitalis.


    And my music is only "unlistenable" to you because Liberty Medical didn't deliver your monthly shipment of hearing aid batteries because you ran over your mailbox with your Rascal when you got your oxegen line wrapped around your EZ Grabber. Sheesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet View Post
    No, he's the polar opposite of you.

    Did you overlook the "has faith...not a drug-addled nihilist...unlistenable music" part.

    You're the bipolar opposite of me.
    Sorry but there are more important things to do but argue wit a mentally ill deranged teabagger brownshirt like you.


    Fortunately your Empty Suit Willard will beover and done on Tuesday and President Obama will.have FOUR MORE YEARS to move America forward and rebuild from the catastrophic eight years of retarded right-wing GOP failures.

    Enjoy your time in the Psychiatric Hospital.

    I sincerely hope you can recover and rejoin the ranks of the non-mentally deranged

    Good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet View Post
    Well, WCO is a commie, but he's a commie we should all know and love
    because he's got faith, a kind heart and looks for the good and positive in everythin'.
    Not a drug-addled nihilist prone to nostrums and superstitions and unlistenable "music".
    He would never put anyone on an ignore list; he knows what he knows, he doesn't know what he doesn't know, he doesn't know what he knows, and
    he knows what he doesn't know. Could be a lot, could be a little, who knows. Ya know?
    He sometimes will even issue a waiver against Politburo protocol. The Gorbachev of JI as it were.

    Now where was I? Oh yeah, take a hike Skippy, it's time for your fruit cup and mush anyway

    Your activity schedule is on Sheet 5 of the spreadsheet

    Don't forget shuffleboard at 1 nap at 2 and mah jongg at 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    Oh.

    I thought that by drug addled you meant Cialis, Centrum Silver, Celebrex and Vitalis.


    Lots of Vitalis.


    And my music is only "unlistenable" to you because Liberty Medical didn't deliver your monthly shipment of hearing aid batteries because you ran over your mailbox with your Rascal when you got your oxegen line wrapped around your EZ Grabber. Sheesh.

    Nope, WCO doesn't need that stuff. He's the picture of health...absolutely radiant!

    I spent a lot of time working in my dad's machine shop. The sounds of lathes, grinders, drills and die presses crashing banging and whining was like Bach's Air On A G-String compared to the music to snort heroin and slit wrists by crap you like

    yes he was an unsung Industrial Music Pioneer

    no not that kind of G-String

    yes I know that is also borrowed by "A Whiter Shade Of Pale"

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