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    Conor Orr: Jets defense determined to correct deficiencies against the run

    There was a moment of silence, but this was only the beginning. Defensive coordinator Mike Pettine had just flashed quotes around the room from the 49ers’ Carlos Rogers that suggested the Jets defense had given up last Sunday. Heads hung as the PowerPoint slides glared back at them. The coaches had decided to begin the meeting with another kick in the teeth.

    But then came the game film, which seemed worse for some than the first time they’d watched it on their own. Seventeen missed tackles, 245 rushing yards, a 5.6 yards-per-play average against, 16 rushing first downs and a 36:56 time of possession for the 49ers in the 34-0 Jets loss.

    No one spoke as the 49ers ran all over them again. No one had anything to say.

    “It’s been atrocious,” outside linebacker Bryan Thomas said at his locker on Friday. “That’s the word I can use. … But we need to get this rectified.”

    There were eight starters in the room who have played the same scheme for three years now and 12 total players who have had at least two years in the system. They have always stopped the run: No. 8 in the league in 2009 (98.6 ypg), No. 3 in the league in 2010 (90.9) and No. 13 in the league (111.1) last season.

    One quarter into the 2012 season, they are ranked 31st (172.8) in rushing defense. Their inside linebackers, Bart Scott (who is playing through a toe injury) and David Harris, are Nos. 1 and 2 in the league in missed tackles for their position, according to Pro Football Focus. None of their defensive tackles are in the top 35 in run stop percentage, a defensive metric that measures a lineman’s success rate at defending running plays, and just two are in the top 100.

    “It’s a big part of our trademark, our personality,” Pettine said. “That’s what we’re going to do, we’re going to stop the run. And we’re in heavier calls to stop the run and we’re not stopping it. That’s frustrating.”

    Monday night, the Houston Texans come to town with one of the best-designed run schemes in football — a zone look created to string defenses along until someone makes a mistake. Arian Foster, the fourth-leading rusher in the NFL and a two-time Pro Bowler, is among the best at making defenses look foolish.

    The Jets, though, are determined not to feel like they did in that quiet room again.

    “You will at some point have ups and downs,” coach Rex Ryan said. “It’s not always a smooth road, but again it’s where you end the race and not necessarily where you started. Even though I’m accustomed to starting fast, we haven’t started, numbers wise, very well defensively. We know we need to get better, but I’m confident we will.”

    A more simple approach
    This was meant to be the year when everyone was one step faster, though the true meaning behind the motto may have been scrambled.

    Bob Sutton, the Jets linebackers coach, said adding faster personnel was an obvious move, but that he integrated the increase in speed with a more simple approach schematically.

    “I think the real gist of that whole thought process was, let’s get this thing dialed in as best we can,” he said.

    Sutton said Ryan’s defense can begin to “take on a life of its own” after a few years. More seasoned players who have a firm grasp on the base concepts and can follow along when things get more complicated. Faster, in his mind, meant a situation where everyone approaches the calls with the same mind-set.

    “You can say hey, ‘this is just like this,’ ” Sutton said. “But when you have new people, they don’t know what ‘this’ was. We need to make sure it’s tight and player-friendly from the standpoint of making sense. It makes the learning easier.”

    Where there are still hiccups in the initiative, there come “outlaw” moments where players pursue the ball more aggressively in lieu of sticking to an assignment.

    As an example, Pettine brought up defensive end Muhammad Wilkerson on the first drive against the Dolphins back in Week 3. During a long run that bounced off the left end, Wilkerson had already bulled his way toward the middle of the offensive line.

    Aside from missed tackles, there has been a heightened focus on making sure these errors are eliminated. Thomas said that meetings have had a more open feel this week, especially their joint sessions with the linebackers and defensive tackles.

    “One of our mantras is ‘do your job and good things will happen,’ ” Pettine said. “You get some guys that think they can do more, they think they see something, but they have to trust the structure of the defense, trust the system and trust the guys around them.”

    Preaching perspective
    Ryan knew how his father, Buddy, felt when the 1993 Houston Oilers gave up 142 rushing yards during their season opener.

    Buddy was a defensive mind and he was humbled. Ryan remembers his dad being lampooned in the media for allowing Lorenzo Neal and Derek Brown to thrash his proud unit.

    “My point is, that team came back and led the NFL on almost every category defensively,” Ryan said.

    He is preaching perspective, but that doesn’t mean there won’t be change.

    To combat the problems from a physical standpoint, he implemented an eight-minute, full-contact period at the end of Thursday’s practice that will now be a weekly fixture. The starting offense will only run base power plays against the starting defense.

    The Jets went through tackling circuits, with drill block shedding and form-fitting technique.

    The coaches and players know well who they’re playing Monday and why it seems like the worst possible time for a turnaround. But they’re fixated more on the silence in the meeting room that day, and never again feeling like putting their heads down.

    “I think you’re going to get all sorts of insults hurled at you in sports, ‘You’re too slow, you’re dumb, you’re this, you’re that,’ ” Pettine said. “But one of the worst ones that can be put on you is that you quit.”

    http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/201...ed_to_cor.html

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    This is nice to hear. IMO, the only way the Jets have chance in the game tonight is on defense. If the suddenl start playing like we all know they are capable of, the Jets could have a chance in this game.

    The Jets defense must hold the Texans offense to 14 to 17 points. Any more points and the Jets are sure to lose. The offense can probaby still capitalize on opportunities provided by turnover generated short fields. That's about the only good thing that can be said about the offense.

    So if the defense does not play their very best, we are fried for sure.

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    This teams is always talking after the fact.

    And before the fact.

    But rarely during a game anymore.

    No heart.
    No guts.
    Little talent.

    No change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piper View Post
    This teams is always talking after the fact.

    And before the fact.

    But rarely during a game anymore.

    No heart.
    No guts.
    Little talent.

    No change.
    +10000000000000000....................

    Pus Rex's D is a one trick poney and the NFL has figured it out. Thanks to his and Tannys poor drafts and contracts moves have the Jets in this position. To correct this is going to take 3-4 years, or bring in a good gm and real coach and it can be cut in half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by srobjets View Post
    +10000000000000000....................

    Pus Rex's D is a one trick poney and the NFL has figured it out. Thanks to his and Tannys poor drafts and contracts moves have the Jets in this position. To correct this is going to take 3-4 years, or bring in a good gm and real coach and it can be cut in half.
    See, I think this is wrong. Rex can switch, the players he has now are not the same players that they were 2 and 3 years ago. If his Linebackers could move like they used to his D would be a lot better. There is no sense blitzing backers if they no longer have the speed and athleticism to get to the QB.

    The team needs a new GM and direction. Rex can be part of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piper View Post
    This teams is always talking after the fact.

    And before the fact.

    But rarely during a game anymore.

    No heart.
    No guts.
    Little talent.
    Poor coaching & player development

    No change.
    Fixed
    Last edited by C Mart; 10-08-2012 at 12:37 PM.

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    Anybody can fix the run. The question is whether Rex can do it without sacrificing a safety by bringing one down into the box and/or not playing nickel or dime except in obvious passing situations.

    With Revis back there, he didn't need safety help over the top. Maybe Cro won't either but if Wilson and Cro need safety help, then you won't be able to bring a safety down.

    If he can fix it with the front seven and require no additional help, then the Jets will be fine. If the Jets have to sacrifice something in the secondary to support the run, one weakness might be traded for another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patman View Post
    See, I think this is wrong. Rex can switch, the players he has now are not the same players that they were 2 and 3 years ago. If his Linebackers could move like they used to his D would be a lot better. There is no sense blitzing backers if they no longer have the speed and athleticism to get to the QB.

    The team needs a new GM and direction. Rex can be part of that.
    Agreed. Give Rex a chance with a new GM (assuming that is an option), and go from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMo View Post
    Agreed. Give Rex a chance with a new GM (assuming that is an option), and go from there.
    I would only be okay with this if Rex is able to stop the bleeding on defense somewhat. With the injuries on the offensive side, I can give him a mulligan there. But if Rex can't find a way to correct the issues in the run defense, I have a hard time believing he should remain.

    To me, he has to show that he's the defensive mind he claims to be. Even without Revis, this team should not be in the bottom 1/4 of the league in defense, so if he has that unit playing respectably before season's end then it's cool if he survives the purge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenWave View Post
    I would only be okay with this if Rex is able to stop the bleeding on defense somewhat. With the injuries on the offensive side, I can give him a mulligan there. But if Rex can't find a way to correct the issues in the run defense, I have a hard time believing he should remain.

    To me, he has to show that he's the defensive mind he claims to be. Even without Revis, this team should not be in the bottom 1/4 of the league in defense, so if he has that unit playing respectably before season's end then it's cool if he survives the purge.
    To me he has already done a lot with some suspect crews. The defense has aged and reinforcements have been few and far between. The entire LB corp is made of fossils. Pouha was complete failsauce before Rex got here, Revis was great but not the hands down #1 that Rex allowed him to be. Him taking essentially the same unit Mangini had and kicking it up to the #1 defense in the league was enough to impress me and then he maintained that despite the front 7 falling apart. I agree that I would be wayyy more comfortable if the defense turned it around, but he has developed players on defense more than people are giving him credit for lately. The young guys are playing much better than people think (49ers stinker aside, where both Wilk/Ellis played poorly). Real issue is just an absolute lack of youth and talent in the linebacker corp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    There was a moment of silence, but this was only the beginning. Defensive coordinator Mike Pettine had just flashed quotes around the room from the 49ers’ Carlos Rogers that suggested the Jets defense had given up last Sunday. Heads hung as the PowerPoint slides glared back at them. The coaches had decided to begin the meeting with another kick in the teeth.

    But then came the game film, which seemed worse for some than the first time they’d watched it on their own. Seventeen missed tackles, 245 rushing yards, a 5.6 yards-per-play average against, 16 rushing first downs and a 36:56 time of possession for the 49ers in the 34-0 Jets loss.

    No one spoke as the 49ers ran all over them again. No one had anything to say.

    “It’s been atrocious,” outside linebacker Bryan Thomas said at his locker on Friday. “That’s the word I can use. … But we need to get this rectified.”

    There were eight starters in the room who have played the same scheme for three years now and 12 total players who have had at least two years in the system. They have always stopped the run: No. 8 in the league in 2009 (98.6 ypg), No. 3 in the league in 2010 (90.9) and No. 13 in the league (111.1) last season.

    One quarter into the 2012 season, they are ranked 31st (172.8) in rushing defense. Their inside linebackers, Bart Scott (who is playing through a toe injury) and David Harris, are Nos. 1 and 2 in the league in missed tackles for their position, according to Pro Football Focus. None of their defensive tackles are in the top 35 in run stop percentage, a defensive metric that measures a lineman’s success rate at defending running plays, and just two are in the top 100.

    “It’s a big part of our trademark, our personality,” Pettine said. “That’s what we’re going to do, we’re going to stop the run. And we’re in heavier calls to stop the run and we’re not stopping it. That’s frustrating.”

    Monday night, the Houston Texans come to town with one of the best-designed run schemes in football — a zone look created to string defenses along until someone makes a mistake. Arian Foster, the fourth-leading rusher in the NFL and a two-time Pro Bowler, is among the best at making defenses look foolish.

    The Jets, though, are determined not to feel like they did in that quiet room again.

    “You will at some point have ups and downs,” coach Rex Ryan said. “It’s not always a smooth road, but again it’s where you end the race and not necessarily where you started. Even though I’m accustomed to starting fast, we haven’t started, numbers wise, very well defensively. We know we need to get better, but I’m confident we will.”

    A more simple approach
    This was meant to be the year when everyone was one step faster, though the true meaning behind the motto may have been scrambled.

    Bob Sutton, the Jets linebackers coach, said adding faster personnel was an obvious move, but that he integrated the increase in speed with a more simple approach schematically.

    “I think the real gist of that whole thought process was, let’s get this thing dialed in as best we can,” he said.

    Sutton said Ryan’s defense can begin to “take on a life of its own” after a few years. More seasoned players who have a firm grasp on the base concepts and can follow along when things get more complicated. Faster, in his mind, meant a situation where everyone approaches the calls with the same mind-set.

    “You can say hey, ‘this is just like this,’ ” Sutton said. “But when you have new people, they don’t know what ‘this’ was. We need to make sure it’s tight and player-friendly from the standpoint of making sense. It makes the learning easier.”

    Where there are still hiccups in the initiative, there come “outlaw” moments where players pursue the ball more aggressively in lieu of sticking to an assignment.

    As an example, Pettine brought up defensive end Muhammad Wilkerson on the first drive against the Dolphins back in Week 3. During a long run that bounced off the left end, Wilkerson had already bulled his way toward the middle of the offensive line.

    Aside from missed tackles, there has been a heightened focus on making sure these errors are eliminated. Thomas said that meetings have had a more open feel this week, especially their joint sessions with the linebackers and defensive tackles.

    “One of our mantras is ‘do your job and good things will happen,’ ” Pettine said. “You get some guys that think they can do more, they think they see something, but they have to trust the structure of the defense, trust the system and trust the guys around them.”

    Preaching perspective
    Ryan knew how his father, Buddy, felt when the 1993 Houston Oilers gave up 142 rushing yards during their season opener.

    Buddy was a defensive mind and he was humbled. Ryan remembers his dad being lampooned in the media for allowing Lorenzo Neal and Derek Brown to thrash his proud unit.

    “My point is, that team came back and led the NFL on almost every category defensively,” Ryan said.

    He is preaching perspective, but that doesn’t mean there won’t be change.

    To combat the problems from a physical standpoint, he implemented an eight-minute, full-contact period at the end of Thursday’s practice that will now be a weekly fixture. The starting offense will only run base power plays against the starting defense.

    The Jets went through tackling circuits, with drill block shedding and form-fitting technique.

    The coaches and players know well who they’re playing Monday and why it seems like the worst possible time for a turnaround. But they’re fixated more on the silence in the meeting room that day, and never again feeling like putting their heads down.

    “I think you’re going to get all sorts of insults hurled at you in sports, ‘You’re too slow, you’re dumb, you’re this, you’re that,’ ” Pettine said. “But one of the worst ones that can be put on you is that you quit.”

    http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/201...ed_to_cor.html


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