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Thread: From what I've see so far, Jets should NOT keep Revis

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    Keep Revis, and trade Cro while his stock is high. Use Wilson as the No. 2.

    You keep your best player, and reduce the total cap % allocated to the CB position. Not so hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gastineau99 View Post
    This season will be a great litmus test to see how valuable Revis truly is to this Defense. If the secondary plays like it did last night, and we can get a 1st rounder for Revis, I think you let him go. We'd have like 30 million in cap space next year with Revis, Scott and Pace coming off the books along with the $8mil from this year.
    We lose money by trading Revis. Lose. It's cheaper to keep him than to trade him. I actually hadn't even realized that until now. Patman is right, adding on the extra years to the extension allowed the bonus money to be spread out, but it all accelerates if he's traded.

    And I don't know where you got $30M in cap space from. We're $20M over next year's cap, right now. Cutting the Smiths, Pace, and Scott gets us $10M below. We can roll over $8M, but $7M of that is put off to the side for draft picks. Now we have $11M in cap space to fill 19 roster spots. Some people want to trade Revis and cut Sanchez, which would leave us with less than $4M to fill 19 spots. That's not even possible.

    Is Revis being traded? Nope.

    Is Sanchez being cut? Nope.


    We don't have the flexibility to make either of those moves. And we're not going to have the space to go after a premier, or even Garcon-level free agent either. It's going to be more Chaz Schillens types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuu faaola View Post
    Keep Revis, and trade Cro while his stock is high. Use Wilson as the No. 2.

    You keep your best player, and reduce the total cap % allocated to the CB position. Not so hard.
    This makes more sense. Cro only has $2.5 of pro-rated bonus left after this year. You can't cut him because of his other bonuses, but trading him would save a lot of money. Don't see it happening though. Rex loves his corners too much and Cro is playing too well.

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    cro is too versatile to rex in his ability to play wr and return kicks. rex wants to be like bill cro isnt going anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gastineau99 View Post
    This season will be a great litmus test to see how valuable Revis truly is to this Defense. If the secondary plays like it did last night, and we can get a 1st rounder for Revis, I think you let him go. We'd have like 30 million in cap space next year with Revis, Scott and Pace coming off the books along with the $8mil from this year.
    No you don't, you wont even have any cap space. Right now you are 20 mill over plus you will need 5 mill to sign the rookies next year.. Jason has the jets with 5.3 mill in cap space but that does not account for almost 1 mill between Hill and The fB you signed this week and it looks like landry is on placeto hit all of his 1.7 mill in incentives. So you figure the jets will carry about 2.5-3 mill over. Again these are not my numbers but Jason's.

    Cutting Pace, and Scott and jason Smith free up 28 mill, that and the 3 mill carryover gets you to about 12 mill under the cap- with 5 mill of that assigned to rookies you have 7 mill in cap space and you will need to find a bunch of player to replace 2 safeties,(bell and Landry) 3 LB, (Pace, Scott and Thomas) 1 dlineman (DeVito) 3 offensive lineman (Slauson, Moore and Smith) 1 rb (greene) and 1 TE (keller)

    yeah tanny is a cap genius and Belichick is cheap for not keeping Samuel and Seymour
    Last edited by patman; 10-09-2012 at 09:23 PM.

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    If we can get two ones and a two .. Maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunnie View Post
    If we can get two ones and a two .. Maybe.
    Seriously, that's the kind of offer it should have to take to get Revis off this team. He's the best defensive player in the history of the New York Jets Apologies to my favorite Jet of all time, Joe Klecko, but he is.

    I'd move Revis if it netted us a top tier player at a position of need (say RB) at similar stage in his career (age 27 or 28) PLUS a 1st or 2nd round draft pick.

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    Cromartie will hold out.

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    but to look at the jets in 2014 They can easily cut 30 mill in unproductive players, and if Revis voids out that is another 9 mill. Making them a big player in in the 2014 FA marketplace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJ View Post
    Cromartie will hold out.
    What do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuu faaola View Post
    Keep Revis, and trade Cro while his stock is high. Use Wilson as the No. 2.

    You keep your best player, and reduce the total cap % allocated to the CB position. Not so hard.
    the jets traded a late #2 for cro when cro made 1.5 mil a year. What is his value to a team making 9 mill a year. Samuel netted Phill what a 6th and that is only after cutting his salary in 1/2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patman View Post
    What do you mean?
    If Revis is gone, Cromartie will want a boatload of money when his contract is up. I'm not saying we should pay Revis, just saying Cro thinks he's the number two to Revis' number one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJ View Post
    Cromartie will hold out.
    Cromartie has 10 kids, he'll never hold out...oh wait..

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    This whole argument about how the Jets "can't afford" to pay Revis is illogical. Look at the Jets cap now. They're paying 16 million dollars to their inside linebacker combo who can't make any plays. They're paying Calvin Pace 8 million dollars to be an excellent player; does he even have a sack this year. They're paying Mark Sanchez an absurd amount of money, and they're paying Santonio Holmes 10 million dollars a year to be a number one receiver. Revis is one of the few players on the team who actually delivers the performance that they pay him for.

    The Jets are already 6 million under the cap, and they'll be much further under the cap once they get rid of some of the players listed above. Paying Revis is not the issue; it's paying all the players who don't deserve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuu faaola View Post
    Keep Revis, and trade Cro while his stock is high. Use Wilson as the No. 2.

    You keep your best player, and reduce the total cap % allocated to the CB position. Not so hard.
    So giving Revis the insane money he's going to demand is now a cap cutting move?

    Jets are going to trade Revis for a package of picks and reload on defense. They need LB's a plenty and an upgrade at #2 CB. Kyle Wilson is a dud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njherdfan View Post
    This whole argument about how the Jets "can't afford" to pay Revis is illogical. Look at the Jets cap now. They're paying 16 million dollars to their inside linebacker combo who can't make any plays. They're paying Calvin Pace 8 million dollars to be an excellent player; does he even have a sack this year. They're paying Mark Sanchez an absurd amount of money, and they're paying Santonio Holmes 10 million dollars a year to be a number one receiver. Revis is one of the few players on the team who actually delivers the performance that they pay him for.

    The Jets are already 6 million under the cap, and they'll be much further under the cap once they get rid of some of the players listed above. Paying Revis is not the issue; it's paying all the players who don't deserve it.
    Jets will need cap room next season for the following:

    1. WR
    2. RB
    3. Both Guard Positions
    4. MLB and OLB (we're going to a 4-3 next season)
    5. Pass Rushing DE
    6. TE Upgrade
    7. Safety (Landry or Bell are gone maybe both)
    8. #2 CB (Wilson sucks as a starter)

    None of that's cheap and btw, Sanchez and Holmes with their $20 million guaranteed combined are going nowhere after this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njherdfan View Post
    This whole argument about how the Jets "can't afford" to pay Revis is illogical. Look at the Jets cap now. They're paying 16 million dollars to their inside linebacker combo who can't make any plays. They're paying Calvin Pace 8 million dollars to be an excellent player; does he even have a sack this year. They're paying Mark Sanchez an absurd amount of money, and they're paying Santonio Holmes 10 million dollars a year to be a number one receiver. Revis is one of the few players on the team who actually delivers the performance that they pay him for.

    The Jets are already 6 million under the cap, and they'll be much further under the cap once they get rid of some of the players listed above. Paying Revis is not the issue; it's paying all the players who don't deserve it.
    +1,

    Well said

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    Quote Originally Posted by njherdfan View Post
    This whole argument about how the Jets "can't afford" to pay Revis is illogical. Look at the Jets cap now. They're paying 16 million dollars to their inside linebacker combo who can't make any plays. They're paying Calvin Pace 8 million dollars to be an excellent player; does he even have a sack this year. They're paying Mark Sanchez an absurd amount of money, and they're paying Santonio Holmes 10 million dollars a year to be a number one receiver. Revis is one of the few players on the team who actually delivers the performance that they pay him for.

    The Jets are already 6 million under the cap, and they'll be much further under the cap once they get rid of some of the players listed above. Paying Revis is not the issue; it's paying all the players who don't deserve it.
    They are 6 mill under this year, not next year. next year they are 20 mill over

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    Quote Originally Posted by patman View Post
    They are 6 mill under this year, not next year. next year they are 20 mill over
    12 million of which is Jason Smith's option contract. Somehow I don't see that being picked up. Realistically, they're cutting the Smiths (Jason and Eric) Pace, Scott at the very least, so that's 30 million dollars gone right there. Also, you're assuming that the salary cap won't increase this year, which may or may not be the case. Also, the Jets can roll over credits (I believe) for being under the cap this year in to next year.

    All of that is without factoring in the re-negotiations which every team does every season. The Jets also have Revis under contract next season, so if they sign him to a longer deal, they could very well start the deal in 2014 when Sanchez's albatross of a contract can come off the books.

    The Jets have a ton of problems, but I don't think the salary cap is going to be a big one.
    Last edited by njherdfan; 10-09-2012 at 11:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    Jets will need cap room next season for the following:

    1. WR
    2. RB
    3. Both Guard Positions
    4. MLB and OLB (we're going to a 4-3 next season)
    5. Pass Rushing DE
    6. TE Upgrade
    7. Safety (Landry or Bell are gone maybe both)
    8. #2 CB (Wilson sucks as a starter)

    None of that's cheap and btw, Sanchez and Holmes with their $20 million guaranteed combined are going nowhere after this season.
    I think ducasse gets a shot to start next year. We need lbs yes, but Holmes is done as a jet. You can't let him back on the team.

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