More, what do you mean by "deserving" white kids. In what way is the white kid more deserving than the black kid? No two kids - no two white kids, no two black kids, no two black and white kids - are exactly equivalent. There's always a weighing of things beyond pure grades - talents and aptitudes, attitudes and desires, and backgrounds - that have nothing to do with race. Many qualified applicants (of all races) don't get into schools they are "qualified" for (based on SAT scores and grades). That's life in a competitive world. And I have yet to see a "deserving" kid get shut out of college entirely, because if you don't get into one school, you get into another, similar school (if you apply to the right places).
And that's true at every level; there are kids in Harvard who got turned down by Yale, Chicago, and/or Princeton, and vice versa. And there are kids at Stonybrook who got turned down by Hofstra, and vice versa.
And it could be much easier to "prove" than you might think. All she needs, frankly, is a student of color who was admitted despite having less activities and lower socred/grades than her, thus proving that race was THE factor involved in her denial and the student of color's admittence.
Sounds alot like "Hey, just cause we won't let you sit at the front of the bus because you're black, there is no harm done, there are plenty of OTHER seats available in the back".And I have yet to see a "deserving" kid get shut out of college entirely, because if you don't get into one school, you get into another, similar school (if you apply to the right places).
Last edited by Warfish; 10-11-2012 at 05:54 PM.
I was accepted to other fine, but lesser institutions and graduated from one of them, but then as now it was not quite the same. Nothing similar to Penn and no place to go but down from #1. But, if it was done to redress the historical oppression of other folks by other other folks all of which I had and have absolutely nothing to do with, it was all for the betterment of society
Last edited by Jungle Shift Jet; 10-11-2012 at 06:42 PM.
In the University of Texas at Austin, which is at issue in the Supreme Court case:
http://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-con...ylor-brief.pdf at page 3For example, among freshmen entering the University of Texas at Austin in 2009 who were admitted outside the top-ten-percent system, the mean SAT score (on a scale of 2400) of Asians was a staggering 467 points and the mean score of whites was 390 points above the mean black score. In percentile terms, these Asians scored at the 93rd percentile of 2009 SAT takers nationwide, whites at the 89th percentile, Hispanics at the 80th percentile, and blacks at the 52nd percentile.
This isn't just a small "plus factor," it's a two track admissions system that makes an applicant's race worth about 400 points on the SAT.
again, I will ask how he is 100% sure a minority that was less qualified than him was admitted before him?
he said he was 100% sure. how does he know? Did he hang out at Penn freshman year and spy on women and minorities?
Please, talk about a sense of entitlement. WAH....I DIDN'T GET INTO PENN AND IT CAN'T BE MY FAULT!!!
You know, I haven't accomplished everything I ever wanted to do. It never dawned on me that it's not my fault.
What would be the appropriate response for them? To keep forking over their money and "thank you sir, may I have another"? Or should they get to state their case?
The system SHOULD be very simple. A college sets up a standard for admission. GPA in appropriate course subjects of (whatever number). SAT or ACT scores of (whatever number). That is a minimum.
Then they look for extracurriculars to show a well rounded student. The best + all around get accepted.
Athletes should be subject to the EXACT same standards BTW.
Sex or race should play no part in the decision of acceptance. Except in the case af all female or all male schools (some still exist). Race should not be known except in the case of obvious names.
I recall having to include a face picture of myself with a couple applications. My game film wasn't clear enough and it was prior to integrated teams in some areas. Glad they don't do that anymore - a liitle too much.
Minorities do not have to be given special treatment. They have the exact same opportunity (there's that ugly word again) to study and achieve as anyone else.
I'm in the process of re-financing all on line. At the end of the application it asked me to identify the race or ethnicity I belonged to in order to protect me from descrimination.