Even a girl from the Bronx!
I lived on a floor with an Iranian kid during the Iran hostage crisis..talk about international diplomacy!
I disagree completely. Schools have only ONE "legitimate interest", to accept the more meritious students and to educate them. Period.Schools have legitimate interests in maintaining diverse student populations, and race - as well as socioeconomic background, religion, and ethnicity are all viable factors a school should be able to consider in determining the composition of its incoming freshman class.
With respect, then you are ill informed.All that said, I doubt it's a significant factor
As stated, all it takes is an example where a single "of color" student with a universally inferior resume was accepted, where she was not, and the case IS proven.case will and should be dismissed since there's no way (given the complex mix of factors involved) to assert that she "should have" been admitted.
As one who was personally the victim of this form of state-based racism, I, unlike you (who, I'm sure, was never a bubble candidate who could have lost due to the racist policy in the first place) know with 100% surerty that this happenes, because it happened to me, and I didn't need tolook far for my "of color" example, he was one of my best friends in high school.
Affirmative Action is State Supported Racism as Race-based revenge for previous generational wrongdoing, and it's wrong, period. We will never reach equallity with a system that inflicts harm on today's kids for the sins of men and women of 100+ years ago. Equallity, true, color-blind equallity, is what we should always be striving for. Not artificial "dversity" to please a a few social engineers who think only their view of the world is a valid one.
Last edited by Warfish; 10-12-2012 at 10:22 AM.
The great thing about our modern society is that more and more interviews, applications for work, housing, mortgages, etc., etc., etc. will be done on line and be about pure data. The only way discrimination will continue is if we continue the silly policy of asking people on line or over the phone what their race/ethnicity is. If yo don't know you can't descriminate. If it's illegal to descriminate why are you allowing people who can't know ask?
One studied on an empty stomach.
Just my opinion.
That 1380 kid should be reserved for a CB or RB. Or if Latino, an OF on the baseball team. Actually I'm not joking. Their ability outside the classroom is what gives them a little edge for admission.
Overall, most schools (and conferences) do require certain academic averages among specific teams and for the athletic department in total. Which is why sports like cross country, lacrosse, women's soccer, volleyball, golf and tennis continue to thrive and expand. They give athletic academic credibility to a college.
In the real world, it's just as likely that a well-off suburban black student, with a 3.0 and a 1160 and no/few extra cirriculars will get accepted, while a poorer white kid who came from nothing, had 3.1 and a 1290 and played sports and was in clubs would be denied acceptance.
Telling, though, that you assume every "urban" black/latino must surely have "studied on an empty stompach", a laughably racist and inaccurate statement in and of itself. Being black/latino does not mean being poor or hungry, especially in a era where the schools themselves provide a heck of alot of food to those in need.
It's typical that the complexity involved is used as a shield to cover up that race is a meaningful determining factor, far more meaningful that many care to admit, and is a form of racism-as-policy.
Doesn't matter, like Immigration and so many other policies, it's a lost cause. Racism, as long as it punished the "right" people, is perfectly acceptable to many. Same as law breaking (immigration), pork spending, war, etc, etc, etc, etc.
It's not worth the effort to be made or fight it, especially here.
I was a poor hungry white kid in the suburbs. I literally went to bed to stop the hunger. The best meal I had was the free lunch at school and that is no joke.
You want to have this discussion?
A certain name CAN be used for discrimination - one way or another. I am totally against discrimination in the admission process. Your grades and tests and extras are good or not. Some people may give Rashida the nod because she may be black. Others will exclude her. Neither is fair.