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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2® View Post
    "This VP debate will have a huge impact on the race", said nobody ever.
    That's generally true, except in cases like in '08. I bet old Joe was wishing he had Sarah Palin on the other end of the table again instead of Ryan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard View Post
    That's generally true, except in cases like in '08. I bet old Joe was wishing he had Sarah Palin on the other end of the table again instead of Ryan.
    That debate was a snooze fest and didn't change the polls either way. It was post Katie Couric interview/SNL skits. No VP candidate had ever had a lower bar coming into a debate. She got high remarks from most of the national media because she simply didn't crap herself on stage. Most conservatives said she beat Biden hands down. Biden barley addressed her.

    While I believe Biden won handily last night, he should of held back on the laughing. Eddie Munster didn't embarrass himself either. Doubt this debate makes much of an impact on the big picture.
    Last edited by 21st Amendment; 10-12-2012 at 11:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21st Amendment View Post
    That debate was a snooze fest and didn't change the polls either way. It was post Katie Couric interview/SNL skits. No VP candidate had ever had a lower bar coming into a debate. She got high remarks from most of the national media because she simply didn't crap herself on stage. Most conservatives said she beat Biden hands down. Biden barley addressed her.

    While I believe Biden won handily last night, he should of held back on the laughing. Eddie Munster didn't embarrass himself either. Doubt this debate makes much of an impact on the big picture.
    When healthy people in their 60's and 70's absorb that Joe was taking credit for securing the SS trust fund through 2024 they are going to realize that the trust me argument that the democrats are going to protect SS and Medicare will be over.

    Biden said way to much last night and he expossed the ugly underbelly of our failing social safety net.

    That may not show up in the immediate polls but I'm sure Joe unintentionally lended credence to the Republican argument for entitlement reform. It's now up to the Dems to actually tell us what they are going to do rather then to just trust them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    Biden said way to much last night and he expossed the ugly underbelly of our failing social safety net.
    Biden did two things:

    1) He woke up the base.

    2) In trying to put Benghazi to bed Joe Biden told an implausible story (that's a "lie") and gave the gift to Romney to bring up the administration's cover up any time he pleases.

    That is my takeaway from the VP debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sackdance View Post
    Biden did two things:

    1) He woke up the base.

    2) In trying to put Benghazi to bed Joe Biden told an implausible story (that's a "lie") and gave the gift to Romney to bring up the administration's cover up any time he pleases.

    That is my takeaway from the VP debate.

    When Andrea Mitchell of MS-DNC calls you out out for lying about Libya, you know you've told a whopper....



    PS. According to "foreign policy expert" Plagiarist Joe, Syria is 5x larger than Libya? LMFAO...

    But hey, at least he's smarter than Palin....

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    Plagiarist Joe's Top 10 Debate Whoppers:

    by Joel B. Pollak 12 Oct 2012, 5:28 AM PDT

    Once again, Joe Biden lied his way through a Vice Presidential debate--just as he did in his contest with Sarah Palin in 2008. This time, the media caught a few of Biden's worst "malarkey" moments--as did his opponent, Paul Ryan, when he could get a word in edgewise.

    Here are the top ten worst lies told by Biden during the debate:

    10. "With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey....not a single thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All of that is true.

    9. "The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times....This is a bunch of stuff." While they have met several times--not a dozen--that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically, Ryan had criticized Obama's refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last month, and to tape talk show interviews instead--a clear snub that sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel's enemies.

    8. "Just let the taxes expire like they’re supposed to on those millionaires." Biden's "millionaires" are actually households earning more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly labeled those earning over $250,000 as "millionaires and billionaires," distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of small business jobs.

    7. "You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff about panels." Biden's cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never talked about "death panels" in her debate with Biden, for the simple reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention "death panels"--he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare proposes a board to impose cost controls.

    6. "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for." Biden's lie about Ryan's budget was an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security--and to cover up that the Obama called for new cuts to embassy security just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan's proposal, which called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary spending, does not even mention embassy security--the Obama campaign merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.

    5. "No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon." Biden's attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear weapon, and the Obama administration--believing it knew better than its predecessors--tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran, causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East. Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not stopping its nuclear program.

    4. "No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise...has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact." No, it is not a fact--it is the opposite of a fact, and saying "that is a fact" does not make it any less a blatant lie. The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies. That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.

    3. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card...I was there. I voted against him." Biden voted for both the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush's plan to extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts. But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill Clinton's speech to the Democratic National Convention: "It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."

    2. "What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back -- applied it to Medicare." Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be--if the same $716 billion wasn't also being used to pay for Obamacare. As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can't double-count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly that--and hurts, not helps, the program's solvency.

    1. "Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security again." Biden lied through his teeth about the fact that the administration--specifically, the State Department--had been told again and again that security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described his frustration with having those requests turned down by the government bureaucracy: "For me the Taliban is on the inside of the building."

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    FB post: Joe Biden has interrupted Paul Ryan so many times, his closing speech is going to be about how Beyonce has the greatest song of all time...

    I chuckled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeanPatsFan View Post
    Plagiarist Joe's Top 10 Debate Whoppers:
    Funny, for all the Democrats insisting everything Romney said was a lie ... few ever got to jotting any of them down.

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    from Twitter: Only real winner last night was Biden's dentist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21st Amendment View Post

    While I believe Biden won handily last night, he should of held back on the laughing. Eddie Munster didn't embarrass himself either. Doubt this debate makes much of an impact on the big picture.
    Then why do you believe Biden won handily?

    Btw, Ryan looks more like Aaron Rodgers than Eddie Munster. Same round eyes. Must be a Wisconsin thing.

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    hair swap!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishooked View Post
    hair swap!


    Lmao. That's a good look for Biden. Ryan looks like he drank from the wrong Grail.

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    Biden is a jackass. Constantly interrupting total classless asswipe.

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    Both of these clowns are full of "malarkey" and its beyond comical.

    The only people who lost are the ones who watched this joke of a debate to its entirety lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyctomjetsfan View Post
    Both of these clowns are full of "malarkey" and its beyond comical.

    The only people who lost are the ones who watched this joke of a debate to its entirety lost.
    Actually, in addition to hopping around like an a-hole, Biden told provable easy-to-see falsehoods. The "malarkey" about Libya being #1. If we take Biden, as implausible as it is, at his word - then we're faced with a White House that couldn't connect the murder of a United States ambassador in his embassy (or consulate, as it were) with the date of the killing, 9/11.

    Ryan kind of sat there and explained his positions as best he could.

    I know you hate Republicans, but don't equate the clowns.
    Last edited by sackdance; 10-12-2012 at 10:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeanPatsFan View Post
    next he says our intelligence KNOWS how far Iran is from obtaining a nuke..
    I believe him on this. Last time the GOP had intelligence on something it was weapons of mass destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetman67 View Post
    I believe him on this. Last time the GOP had intelligence on something it was weapons of mass destruction.
    He can't have it both ways.

    He can't basically say our intelligence was poor in Libya and then claim we know exactly what is going on in Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetman67 View Post
    I believe him on this. Last time the GOP had intelligence on something it was weapons of mass destruction.
    I believe the Clinton White House had that same intelligence... No?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sackdance View Post
    Actually, in addition to hopping around like an a-hole, Biden told provable easy-to-see falsehoods. The "malarkey" about Libya being #1. If we take Biden, as implausible as it is, at his word - then we're faced with a White House that couldn't connect the murder of a United States ambassador in his embassy (or consulate, as it were) with the date of the killing, 9/11.

    Ryan kind of sat there and explained his positions as best he could.

    I know you hate Republicans, but don't equate the clowns.
    I don't hate republicans, I'm a moderate, I've voted for more R's than D's in my lifetime so please spare me your partisan bull****.

    What I hate is stupidity and partisan schmucks who treat politics like its a team sport.

    Ryan didn't just "kind of sit there and explain his positions as best he could". He sat there spewing fragrant bull**** hence why the compulsive idiot sitting to his right kept interrupting.

    1) “It took the president two weeks to acknowledge that [the Libya attack] was a terrorist attack.” Obama used the word “terrorism” to describe the killing of Americans the very next day at the Rose Garden. “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for,” Obama said in a Rose Garden statement on September 12.

    2) “The administration was blocking us every step of the way. Only because we had strong bipartisan support for these tough [Iran] sanctions were we able to overrule their objections and put them in spite of the administration.” Even the Israeli President has effusively praised President Obama’s leadership on getting American and international sanctions on Iran, which have significantly slowed Iran’s progress.

    3) “Medicare and Social Security are going bankrupt. These are indisputable facts.” [T]he possibility of Medicare going bankrupt is — and historically has been — greatly exaggerated. In fact, if no changes are made, Medicare would still be able to meet 88 percent of its obligations in 2085. Social Security is fully funded for another two decades and could pay 75 percent of its benefits thereafter. There is also an easy way to ensure the program’s long-term solvency without large changes or cuts to benefits.

    4) “The vice president was in charge of overseeing this. $90 billion in green pork to campaign contributors and special interest groups.” Multiple reviews, including an independent review of all Department Of Energy loan programs by Herb Allison –- finance chair for McCain for President 2008 –- have found no “pork” in the stimulus’ funding of green projects, concluding that the loans were not steered to friends or family, as Ryan claims.

    5) “Was it a good idea to spend taxpayer dollars on electric cars in Finland, or on windmills in China?” As PolitiFact has pointed out, the money for electric cars in Finland did not come from the stimulus. Rather, it originated with the Energy Department’s Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing program, which predated the Obama administration. The claim about “windmills in China” is also inaccurate.

    6) “When they see us putting – when they see us putting daylight between ourselves and our allies in Israel, that gives them encouragement.” The Israeli Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister, Ehud Barak, told CNN, “President Obama is doing … more than anything that I can remember in the past [in regard to our security].”

    7) “You see, if you reform these programs for my generation, people 54 and below, you can guarantee they don’t change for people in or near retirement.” Here is how the Romney/Ryan Medicare plan will affect current seniors: 1) by repealing Obamacare, the 16 million seniors receiving preventive benefits without deductibles or co-pays and are saving $3.9 billion on prescription drugs will see a cost increase, 2) “premium support” will increase premiums for existing beneficiaries as private insurers lure healthier seniors out of the traditional Medicare program, 3) Romney/Ryan would also lower Medicaid spending significantly beginning next year, shifting federal spending to states and beneficiaries, and increasing costs for the 9 million Medicare recipients who are dependent on Medicaid.

    8) “Obamacare takes $716 billion from Medicare to spend on Obamacare.” Ryan is claiming that Obamacare siphons off $716 billion from Medicare, to the detriment of Medicare beneficiaries. In actuality, that money is saved primarily through reducing over-payments to insurance companies under Medicare Advantage, cutting waste fraud and abuse, and eliminating inefficiencies in the system. Ryan’s budget plan keeps those same cuts, but directs them toward tax cuts for the rich and deficit reduction.

    9) “And then they put this new Obamacare board in charge of cutting Medicare each and every year in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors.” The Board, or IPAB is tasked with making binding recommendations to Congress for lowering health care spending, should Medicare costs exceed a target growth rate. Congress can accept the savings proposal or implement its own ideas through a super majority. The panel’s plan will modify payments to providers but it cannot “include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums…increase Medicare beneficiary cost-sharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and co- payments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria” (Section 3403 of the ACA). Relying on health care experts rather than politicians to control health care costs has previously attracted bipartisan support and even Ryan himself proposed two IPAB-like structures in a 2009 health plan.

    10) “7.4 million seniors are projected to lose their current Medicare Advantage coverage they have. That’s a $3,200 benefit cut.” Enrollment is actually projected to increase by 11 percent in Medicare Advantage (MA) in 2013. Since the Affordable Care Act was enacted in 2010, Medicare Advantage premiums have decreased an average of 10 percent and enrollment in these plans has increased 28 percent.

    11) “This [Medicare premium support] plan that’s bipartisan. It’s a plan I put together with a prominent Democrat senator from Oregon.” Wyden not only voted against Ryan’s budget, he also called the idea that he supported it “nonsense.”

    12) “Eight out of 10 businesses, they file their taxes as individuals, not as corporations.” Far less than half of the people affected by the expiration of the upper income tax cuts get any of their income at all from a small businesses. And those people could very well be receiving speaking fees or book royalties, which qualify as “small business income” but don’t have a direct impact on job creation. It’s actually hard to find a small business who think that they will be hurt if the marginal tax rate on income earned above $250,000 per year is increased.

    13) “[Unemployment is rising] all around America.” In August, the unemployment rate dropped from a year before in 325 of 372 metro areas surveyed by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

    14) “The average tax rate on businesses in the industrialized world is 25 percent, and the president wants the top effective tax rate on successful small businesses to go above 40 percent.” The U.S. is raising historically low amounts of revenue from the corporate income tax, and it already has the second lowest effective corporate tax rate in the world. U.S. corporations are taxed less than their foreign rivals, and the U.S. effective corporate tax rate is low compared to other developed economies.

    15) “He’ll keep saying this $5 trillion plan, I suppose. It’s been discredited by six other studies.” The studies Ryan cites actually further prove that Romney/Ryan would, in fact, have to raise taxes on the middle class if he were to keep his promise not to lose revenue with his tax rate reduction.

    16) “You can – you can cut tax rates by 20 percent and still preserve these important preferences for middle-class taxpayer. It is mathematically possible. It’s been done before. It’s precisely what we’re proposing.” If Romney/Ryan hope to provide tax relief to the middle class, then their $5 trillion tax cut would add to the deficit. There are not enough deductions in the tax code that primarily benefit rich people to make his math work. As the Tax Policy Center concluded, Romney’s plan can’t both exempt middle class families from tax cuts and remain revenue neutral. “He’s promised all these things and he can’t do them all. In order for him to cover the cost of his tax cut without adding to the deficit, he’d have to find a way to raise taxes on middle income people or people making less than $200,000 a year,” the Center found.

    17) “So they proposed a $478 billion cut to defense to begin with. Now we have another $500 billion cut to defense that’s lurking on the horizon. They insisted upon that cut being involved in the debt negotiations, and so we have a $1 trillion cut.” Ryan has frequently gotten in hot water for criticizing President Obama for the very same defense cuts that he voted for in 2011.

    18) “If these cuts go through, our Navy will be the smallest – the smallest it has been since before World War I.” PolitiFact rated this claim as “Pants on Fire,” noting that “a wide range of experts told us it’s wrong to assume that a decline in the number of ships or aircraft automatically means a weaker military.”

    19) “Look at what they’re doing through Obamacare with respect to assaulting the religious liberties of this country. They’re infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals.” Religious institutions haven’t been forced to “violate their conscience” by paying for contraception. Houses of worship and other religious nonprofits that primarily employ and serve people of the same faith will be exempt from offering birth control.

    20) “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it. Try telling that to the 20 million people who are projected to lose their health insurance if Obamacare goes through or the 7-point million – 7.4 million seniors who are going to lose it.” The Affordable Care Act would actually expand health care coverage to 30 million Americans and all seniors will keep their guranteed Medicare benefits, despite Ryan’s fear mongering. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that very few people will have to enroll in new coverage.

    21) “We should not have called Bashar Assad a reformer when he was turning his Russian-provided guns on his own people.” In March 2011, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton noted that “many of the members of Congress of both parties who have gone to Syria in recent months have said they believe he’s a reformer.” However, she did not endorse their view.

    22) “When Barack Obama was elected, they had enough fissile material — nuclear material to make one bomb. Now they have enough for five.” This is misleading and unproven. Iran now has enough fissile material, but has not yet enriched to the necessary level for a weapon. The Institute for Science and International Security says “it would take Iran more than two months to produce that amount if it started with 20%-grade uranium, and ‘several months’ to make enough for a bomb using low-enriched uranium. That would give the world community enough time to detect the operation and organize a response, ISIS noted in June.”

    23) “We don’t want to do is give our allies reason to trust us less [by announcing a withdrawal timeline for Afghanistan].” It’s unclear how our allies would trust us less since they too agreed to the timeline. As Biden pointed outed, “That’s a bizarre statement. .. Forty-nine of our allies — hear me — 49 of our allies signed on to this position.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyctomjetsfan View Post
    Ryan didn't just "kind of sit there and explain his positions as best he could". He sat there spewing fragrant bull**** hence why the compulsive idiot sitting to his right kept interrupting.
    Settle down, Beavis.

    Only an Obama fan could justify the "now you're Jack Kennedy?" interjections and associated Biden dramatics.

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