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    Last year, just as the Jets got the running game on track, they faced a struggling New England team at home and had Sanchez air it out in hopes of exploiting their weak secondary.

    Folks, we can't win like that. We need to run the ball to set up play-action opportunities for Mark. We are not going to win games with him airing it out, regardless of the opponent. We win by establishing the run and by playing defense.

    Let's not delude ourselves into thinking otherwise.

    This game only gets won if we can run well enough to establish play action, and if Mark converts those opportunities.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by jetsfan1983 View Post
    Yards is overrated but for a different reason..

    In a few of those scenarios, New england was ahead by a good deal so they opposing team was in a postiion where they were going to throw pretty regularly. And New England was going to be cautious with 2 deep so they are going to give up completions.
    +1
    Sparano has to do a good job keeping Brady and the Pats O on the sideline. But also has to mix in some "design chunk plays" as well.

  3. #23
    Sanchez just needs to throw it. Seriously, just toss it up. It's more likely to end well for the Jets than the Pats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuu faaola View Post
    Last year, just as the Jets got the running game on track, they faced a struggling New England team at home and had Sanchez air it out in hopes of exploiting their weak secondary.

    Folks, we can't win like that. We need to run the ball to set up play-action opportunities for Mark. We are not going to win games with him airing it out, regardless of the opponent. We win by establishing the run and by playing defense.

    Let's not delude ourselves into thinking otherwise.

    This game only gets won if we can run well enough to establish play action, and if Mark converts those opportunities.
    Schotty's passing game<<<Sparano's passing game

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2® View Post
    Stop the insanity.

    Throw the ball. Trust me. If its not a reception it will be a flag.

    Its the Keystone Kops back there.

    If EVER Sanchez had a chance to look good, this is the week.

    +1. Deep down, I think the long-term answer is Dennard and Dowling at corner and McCourty and Wilson at safety with Moore as the nickel back. Or perhaps not -- practically every other combination has been an unmitigated disaster.

    Too bad, because for the first time in recent years, the Pats have an above-average front 7. The putrid secondary is absolutely KILLING the Pats right now. If Holmes, Cotchery and Edwards were still the WR's, I think Sanchez would go well over 400 yds. Even without that crew, he should have a field day next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endgameeugenics View Post
    Schotty's passing game<<<Sparano's passing game
    Excellent point.

    Belichick had six years of the exact same short passing offense on tape that he needed to yet again shut us down.

    One interesting thing....Peter king mentioned that wilson had a lot of success rolling right and throwing on the move vs NE. Hopefully we use a similar strategy as sanchez is usually pretty good rolling out. Would love to see the play call he missed vs the steelers run for Kerley instead of holmes this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palmetto defender View Post
    Pass? Kiss of death. The last 4 games, the Patriots have played against decent QBs. Sanchez is not one of them.
    They ran the ball against Indy and controlled the pace. Plus burned clock. Need to do that against the Pats. Yes, the patriots have a weak pass D. Since when do the Jets have a good pass O. Get greedy and stupid=lose.
    +1
    The OP is 110% wrong on this one. The Jets have tried the "air it out" approach in Foxboro before. It usually results in a convincing Pats victory. Getting into a shootout against Tom Brady in Foxboro with Mark Sanchez is an atrocious plan. That is a Schitty gameplan, exactly what New England hopes for. Run the ball, run it again, make the game ugly, and then try to hit them over the top with the big play only when at midfield or further. Not backed up in our territory....
    Last edited by RoadFan; 10-15-2012 at 01:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglenj View Post
    So looking at what the Pats have done so far this year, here are the passing yardage totals they have given up in the last 4 games:

    Fitzpatrick 350 yards
    Peyton 337 Yards
    Flacco 382 Yards
    Wilson 293 Yards

    After watching the game yesterday, the weakness the Pats D has is the deep pass that results in some big plays. Im sure a lot of this is on their secondary, their defense (even with the vaunted Chandler Jones) has only managed 11 sacks on the season.

    After seeing his performances vs Miami, Houston and SF, Im sure there are few people who want to put Sundays game in Sanchez’s hands, but that is what will give us the best opportunity to win. There is no doubt that the Pats are gonna put up points on us, so hoping that our defense plays great and the offense plays OK, is probably not the recipe we need.

    We will be putting arguably our best offensive personnel of the year on the field Sunday. A healthy Keller and Hill, each with a game under their belt to get back up to speed, is a HUGE difference from the unit we put out there vs SF and Houston. Furthermore, our rushing performance yesterday should at least force the Pats to put some resources towards stopping the run (although I highly doubt Belichick suddenly thinks we are a running force after one good performance).

    If we can protect sanchez with 5 lineman and 1 RB or TE staying in to block, I think there will be opportunities to hit some big plays down the field, and hopefully put some points on the board.
    BIG "IF" there. Plus, you have to take into account Mark's ACCURACY with his throws. He CANNOT make a mistake 'cause it will be VERY COSTLY against Tammy and his butt-monkeys.

    Jets NEED to have the Running Game working to give Mark a shot in the Playaction.....that's the only way the Jets have a shot at making a game of this.

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    Sanchez is just want the Patriots secondary needs. I predict 3 ints from our "franchise" QB this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuu faaola View Post
    Last year, just as the Jets got the running game on track, they faced a struggling New England team at home and had Sanchez air it out in hopes of exploiting their weak secondary.

    Folks, we can't win like that. We need to run the ball to set up play-action opportunities for Mark. We are not going to win games with him airing it out, regardless of the opponent. We win by establishing the run and by playing defense.

    Let's not delude ourselves into thinking otherwise.

    This game only gets won if we can run well enough to establish play action, and if Mark converts those opportunities.
    +infinity.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFCEastFan View Post
    +1. Deep down, I think the long-term answer is Dennard and Dowling at corner and McCourty and Wilson at safety with Moore as the nickel back. Or perhaps not -- practically every other combination has been an unmitigated disaster.

    Too bad, because for the first time in recent years, the Pats have an above-average front 7. The putrid secondary is absolutely KILLING the Pats right now. If Holmes, Cotchery and Edwards were still the WR's, I think Sanchez would go well over 400 yds. Even without that crew, he should have a field day next week.
    It is shocking how well fans can know their own team....but yet completely disagree on how an opponent has the best chance to win. If the Jets come out flinging the ball all over the yard like you suggest, the Pats will win by 20 or more. Schotty would have done that, guaranteeing a New England win. The fact that the Pats are stronger defending the run may be relevant to other teams. However to the Jets specifically, it is meaningless. Sparano is no idiot. He will stress the running game all week and on Sunday. He will also create some big passing play chances AT OPPORTUNE TIMES. The question is will Mark make the throws?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2® View Post
    Pats are 6th against the run, 28th against the pass.

    Chung and Gregory are hurt.

    This isn't rocket science.
    No. And until yesterday the Jets could not run the ball at all. And people still want to try to run the ball on NE.

    Just throw it. Find out if you have a real QB or not. Don't do the Wildcat crap, run a little bit, and do play action pass and bootlegs, and run some spread and do that.

  13. #33
    The Pats had a terrible secondary last year as well and we failed to exploit it.16 and 20 completions in the 2 games, 65 total attempts. The Jets MUST go deep on them early in the game. We can't have their suspect DB's jumping all of our short routes.

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    Jets recipe for success:
    1- run the ball
    2- play good defense
    3- solid fake punting

    456- Mark Sanchez needs to put the offense on his back and win the game.

    So in order to beat the pats, we have to option 456?

    Geez.

  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    The Pats had a terrible secondary last year as well and we failed to exploit it.16 and 20 completions in the 2 games, 65 total attempts. The Jets MUST go deep on them early in the game. We can't have their suspect DB's jumping all of our short routes.
    Agreed....we have to throw out what we did in the past, because we have a totally different offense now.

    Short passing and running played right into what NE did well, that is why we struggled.

    When we throw it needs to be down the field, to get the safeties working deeper and THEN run.

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