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    Who do you consider and elite QB ?

    I was having a debate with a friend about what an elite QB is and who is an elite QB. In my opinion an elite QB can win games when the team around him is not that good. Do you think Eli Manning and Tom Brady are elite QB's ? What about Rodgers from Greenbay ?

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    Not sure if serious . . .

    Oh hell yes - these are all league MVPs you are talking about.

    To me, an elite QB has the base stats right: good completion %, TDs and INTs. Then add in some big playoff wins, 4th Qtr comebacks and an ability to take over a game [like Peyton did last night]. That's an elite QB for me.

    So basically he's not losing the games for his team and he is often the difference in winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmeyer52 View Post
    I was having a debate with a friend about what an elite QB is and who is an elite QB. In my opinion an elite QB can win games when the team around him is not that good. Do you think Eli Manning and Tom Brady are elite QB's ? What about Rodgers from Greenbay ?
    I think the media has been throwing the world elite around way too much lately.
    Brady is an elite quarterback, Manning is an elite quarterback, Eli is an elite quarterback.

    Rodgers is a great quarterback with the jury still out on him.

    Elite in my eyes isn't a word the fickle should be throwing around. An elite status isn't something quarterbacks earn after one great game or one great season like the ESPN's of the world like to pretend.

    In my mind elite is a term earned by those who show a consistency for being elite year after year after year after year. It's something you earn over the course of your career, not something you get after one big game (Flacco).

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    Rodgers had a great year last season but the lock out also noticably affected defenses all around the league, especially in the beginning of the season. It wasn't a coincidence that both Brees and Brady toppled Marino's passing yards record in the same season. As the season went on, defenses improved and Rodgers performance declined.

    Green Bay didn't face a top 10 defense all year until one knocked him out of the play offs their first post season game. Quarterback rating isn't real. You can't hold it, you can't put it in a trophy case, and it won't win you tough football games. Not to say I wouldn't love to have Rodgers in NY but I don't think he's justified his reputation. If you ask a Packer fan he's already the greatest of all time even though he's only had one great season that went down in flames in the play offs.

    He's what I would call a great quarterback. If he wins another ring and repeats last years performance season after season I'll be ready to call him elite in like 2015,

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmeyer52 View Post
    I was having a debate with a friend about what an elite QB is and who is an elite QB. In my opinion an elite QB can win games when the team around him is not that good. Do you think Eli Manning and Tom Brady are elite QB's ? What about Rodgers from Greenbay ?

    Is this another joke? Troll?

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    Blaine Gabbert.....clutch

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    both Mannings
    Brady
    Rodgers
    Brees


    that's it.

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    Joe Flacco...... not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtstar View Post
    both Mannings
    Brady
    Rodgers
    Brees


    that's it.
    Agreed though Roeths would be close as well.

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    Brady
    Brees
    Rodgers

    That is it.

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    Here is where I group the QB's in no particular order.

    Elite:

    Manning A
    Manning B
    Brady
    Brees
    Rodgers
    Roethlisberger

    Tier A:

    Matt Schaub
    Matt Ryan
    Philip Rivers
    Tony Romo

    Tier B:

    Alex Smith
    Matthew Stafford
    Jay Cutler
    Joe Flacco
    Michael Vick

    Tier Cellar: (Will never be good, or is past their prime)

    Kevin Kolb
    Brady Quinn
    Tim Hasselbeck
    Carson Palmer
    Mark Sanchez

    I will leave a space here for Josh Freeman. He is leaning towards ending up in the cellar.

    The rest of the QB's are either rookies, or 1st or 2nd year starters who have not proven themselves as of yet.

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    Starts and ends with JaMarcus Russell. None better. But, I predict, he will be even more accomplished once he's completed training/conditioning for his NFL comeback.

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    Thanks guys. I would not put Roth in that category but I agree that both Mannings and Brady are top tier. I also agree that the media uses Elite way too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borgoguy View Post
    Starts and ends with JaMarcus Russell. None better. But, I predict, he will be even more accomplished once he's completed training/conditioning for his NFL comeback.
    But do you think he will be more successful than Dan McGuire ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    Agreed though Roeths would be close as well.
    agreed.

    he would be next on my list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conkboy View Post
    But do you think he will be more successful than Dan McGuire ?
    Kudos on this reference. Ten guys on here know who he is.

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    I like grouping QBs into tiers because I think you can really split hairs with numerical rankings. If we're talking, "Pick me a QB to lead you to a SB this year," this is how I'd tier things:

    (Again, in each tier there is no specific order)

    Top Tier
    Rodgers
    Brady
    Brees

    Tier Two
    Roethlisberger
    Eli Manning
    Peyton Manning

    Tier Three
    Stafford
    Ryan

    Tier Four
    Flacco
    Schaub
    Rivers
    RGIII (no, I'm not even f**king kidding)
    Cam

    Tier Five
    Vick
    Cutler
    Romo

    Tier Six
    Luck
    Alex Smith

    After this, I can't picture anyone else winning a Super Bowl, so...IT. DOESN'T. MATTER. But the next tier would be Ponder, Palmer, and Dalton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmeyer52 View Post
    I was having a debate with a friend about what an elite QB is and who is an elite QB. In my opinion an elite QB can win games when the team around him is not that good. Do you think Eli Manning and Tom Brady are elite QB's ? What about Rodgers from Greenbay ?
    Rodgers from Greenbay? You mean the one in those insurance commercials?

    We know what Eli thinks, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinny Testaverde's Niece View Post
    Rodgers from Greenbay? You mean the one in those insurance commercials?

    We know what Eli thinks, anyway.
    Well played sir !

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