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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    Because WR is the second most important position on offense after QB. Yes Tanny screwed up giving Holmes a payday but Dwayne Bowe is bigger and better and probably not anywhere near the headcase Holmes is.


    Who's more important to the Giants? Cruz or Diehl? Who's more important to the Pats? Welker or Solder?



    2 names : Eli Manning and Tom Brady.

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    A team source indicates that the Dolphins are not in trade talks with the Chiefs for Bowe at this point, Ben Volin of the Palm Beach Post reports

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    Let's be honest, if Holmes can get 5 years, 45 million with 25 million guaranteed, what is a guy like Bowe going to get in terms of a new contract? With all the holes the Jets have right now, can they really afford to pay all that to one position? Let's be honest, bloated contracts are what have us in our current predicament.

    Second of all, what are you going to have to give up in terms of draft picks? You are probably EASILY looking at a 2nd rounder, if not a 2nd rounder plus more. Can the Jets really afford to do that?

    Plus, as it sounds right now, it seems like Bowe is the type of player who is malcontent at the first sign of difficulty.

    While it is nice to think about, I say pass.

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    Clearly Bowe wants to go from one failing franchise to another.

    Jesus christ people.

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    Trade Holmes for Bowe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    Holmes is getting old and just had a very serious injury. We still have no idea what Hill is though I do like him as a prospect. Kerley is a decent slot receiver whose stats are going to peak this year thanks to us having no depth at WR. Keller is all but gone after this year.


    We absolutely need a big-time WR. You don't see the Giants resting on their laurels because they have Nicks and Cruz (who are both way better than anything we have) they develop Barden and Hixon. NFL is a passing league and WR is the second most important position on offense after QB.
    History or the NFL doesn't agree with that statement. WRs are a dime a dozen in the NFL. For every one Jerry Rice there is 20 Bowes in the league he is nothing that can't be created. WRs like him are a luxury that most teams can't afford. We'd be crazy to spend more big money at that position. A good OT or even RB is much harder to come by and make your team so much better.

    Berry Sanders brought a team with nothing to the POs where as Fitz has put up some of his best stats in loosing seasons. Only now in the time of a 2 back system has RB lost value and people buy into too many poor or old RBs now. I'm sorry but I'd rather have a young LT then a young TO still. The few teams that have won a SB without a stud QB did it because of a solid run game not a big play WR.

    OT hide bad players there is a reason so many go early in the draft. Think back to 96 would you still take Johnson or would you rather Jonathan Ogden. You build an O around your OL and QB. Teams that have tried to build an O around a WR have not fared well at all. More often then not they are good but don't make other better. That doesn't help you in the big picture.

    It shocks me how scared people are on this site of young WRs. Hill is only 4 games into his pro career and had 3 TDs and is averaging over 14 yards a catch. Kerley has done nothing but make great plays in very short time. Saying he is nothing more then a slot is misinformed IMO. Is Wes Welker still just a slot too? Or is Steve Smith still too small? Just because he doesn't fit the bill doesn't mean he isn't right for the spot. Holmes OK is injured but long term we are good enough at WR to win. It would be pretty stupid to spend what little cap we have in what is one of the few positions that is not a real need IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamers View Post
    History or the NFL doesn't agree with that statement. WRs are a dime a dozen in the NFL. For every one Jerry Rice there is 20 Bowes in the league he is nothing that can't be created. WRs like him are a luxury that most teams can't afford. We'd be crazy to spend more big money at that position. A good OT or even RB is much harder to come by and make your team so much better.

    Berry Sanders brought a team with nothing to the POs where as Fitz has put up some of his best stats in loosing seasons. Only now in the time of a 2 back system has RB lost value and people buy into too many poor or old RBs now. I'm sorry but I'd rather have a young LT then a young TO still. The few teams that have won a SB without a stud QB did it because of a solid run game not a big play WR.

    OT hide bad players there is a reason so many go early in the draft. Think back to 96 would you still take Johnson or would you rather Jonathan Ogden. You build an O around your OL and QB. Teams that have tried to build an O around a WR have not fared well at all. More often then not they are good but don't make other better. That doesn't help you in the big picture.

    It shocks me how scared people are on this site of young WRs. Hill is only 4 games into his pro career and had 3 TDs and is averaging over 14 yards a catch. Kerley has done nothing but make great plays in very short time. Saying he is nothing more then a slot is misinformed IMO. Is Wes Welker still just a slot too? Or is Steve Smith still too small? Just because he doesn't fit the bill doesn't mean he isn't right for the spot. Holmes OK is injured but long term we are good enough at WR to win. It would be pretty stupid to spend what little cap we have in what is one of the few positions that is not a real need IMO.
    I agree.

    QB position is the most important followed by the offensive line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    Because WR is the second most important position on offense after QB. Yes Tanny screwed up giving Holmes a payday but Dwayne Bowe is bigger and better and probably not anywhere near the headcase Holmes is.


    Who's more important to the Giants? Cruz or Diehl? Who's more important to the Pats? Welker or Solder?
    Truth. Would swap Holmes for Bowe straight up , but it takes two to tango. The Holmes
    contract now looks like an albatross and millstone around the neck for the Jets...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinny Testaverde's Niece View Post
    Trade Holmes for Bowe.
    ****in genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinny Testaverde's Niece View Post
    Trade Holmes for Bowe.
    In a heartbeat. I'd even drive him myself to KC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinstar View Post
    Why would the Jets or any NFL team want to have this much Cap Space tied up in a position that needs another Player to get them the ball.

    The Jets screwed up giving that Contract to Holmes. It would be just as big a screw up to give just as big a contract to yet another malcontent from another team.

    We have young receivers that are learning and making plays. We need to stay the course and develop the WR we all crave. A young Kid,with all the measureables .

    We don't need another malcontent, we need patience.
    Well said, we have a promising young group here right now, develop them and add another with a 6th or 7th next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detjetsfan View Post
    I would do that trade and then hop in a getaway car gangnam style. That would be a heist for us. Jets need Bowe bad. To be honest I wouldn't mind even trading a day 1 pick for him:

    Dwayne Bowe >>>> Whatever future bust Tanny drafts in the 1st or 2nd round of the next draft
    Your above statement is exactly why our organization is in the current predicament we are in regarding depth on this team.

    Bowe is an unrestricted free agent....why would we ALSO give up a first or even second round pick for him? So we can have him for an additional 8 games this year?

    Trading for bowe would be exactly what we did with holmes...PAY a team for the right to PAy a player. That is horrible business in the NFL and a recipe for failure.

    A day 1 pick, if they become a starting player (which btw wilkerson and coples) holds enormous value because you pay them so little. Giving up a pick like that in order to give a huge payday to someone like Bowe is so much riskier then drafting a player.

    Has bowe been a great teammate, hard worker, or locer room leader? No he has been somewhat of a malcontent who has had issues with staying in shape. Giving him a big FA deal could lead us right down the santonio holmes path.

    Part of the reason Hill was such a good pick is that he is by all accounts a good kid, who works hard and wants to be a great player. That is what we need on this team. Not players like bowe who will have a huge cap number.

    As a side note, when talking about our organization and first round picks....id just like to note that the steelers have not NOT had a first round pick in over 15 years. They simply recognize the value of those players, have a system for development in place, and stick with it. That is the type of process the jets need to focus on, not finding veteran stop-gap free agents.

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    some people on this board live in la la land...

    1. we busted our nut on santonio, we are not even close to giving another receiver a big deal

    2. how about investing that money in a position of actual need, like QB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamers View Post
    I like Bowe but WR seems to be the least of our worries long term. QB, RB, OG, OT, S, OLB, and TE all seem like bigger needs. To blow a load of money that we don't really have would be a bad move right now. A one year rental OK but that isn't what we are talking here.
    Sanchez is locked in for next year, so don't even think about qb. The Jets are not eating $10 million guaranteed. Bowe gives the Jets a legit weapon, and it would put Kerley back in his slot role full time. It also gives Hill more time to develop. I'd like to see the Jets get either Bowe at WR or MJD at RB. Doubt either happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglenj View Post
    Your above statement is exactly why our organization is in the current predicament we are in regarding depth on this team.

    Bowe is an unrestricted free agent....why would we ALSO give up a first or even second round pick for him? So we can have him for an additional 8 games this year?

    Trading for bowe would be exactly what we did with holmes...PAY a team for the right to PAy a player. That is horrible business in the NFL and a recipe for failure.

    A day 1 pick, if they become a starting player (which btw wilkerson and coples) holds enormous value because you pay them so little. Giving up a pick like that in order to give a huge payday to someone like Bowe is so much riskier then drafting a player.

    Has bowe been a great teammate, hard worker, or locer room leader? No he has been somewhat of a malcontent who has had issues with staying in shape. Giving him a big FA deal could lead us right down the santonio holmes path.

    Part of the reason Hill was such a good pick is that he is by all accounts a good kid, who works hard and wants to be a great player. That is what we need on this team. Not players like bowe who will have a huge cap number.

    As a side note, when talking about our organization and first round picks....id just like to note that the steelers have not NOT had a first round pick in over 15 years. They simply recognize the value of those players, have a system for development in place, and stick with it. That is the type of process the jets need to focus on, not finding veteran stop-gap free agents.
    Exactly. Trading high picks for a player AND then having to sign the guy to a free agent contract is bad business. You cant have over 20 million dollars tied up in two receivers, especially when they are not exactly the highest character guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K-Met57 View Post
    some people on this board live in la la land...

    1. we busted our nut on santonio, we are not even close to giving another receiver a big deal

    2. how about investing that money in a position of actual need, like QB
    Be realistic. Sanchez has guaranteed money for next year. QB is not happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinstar View Post
    Why would the Jets or any NFL team want to have this much Cap Space tied up in a position that needs another Player to get them the ball.

    The Jets screwed up giving that Contract to Holmes. It would be just as big a screw up to give just as big a contract to yet another malcontent from another team.

    We have young receivers that are learning and making plays. We need to stay the course and develop the WR we all crave. A young Kid,with all the measureables .

    We don't need another malcontent, we need patience.
    I'm with you if the Jets get a top flight running back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombo View Post
    Be realistic. Sanchez has guaranteed money for next year. QB is not happening.
    who said next year? i am not specific about it...Bowe is going to want a deal (4-5 years?), Santonio still has at least 2 years where he cant really be cut (right?).

    we need cap flexibility for positions like OLD, QB, OT, TE...for better or worse...our receivers are what they are.

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    He's under the tag this year, no?

    So won't he just be a UFA? I think he would hold out if they tagged him again.

    Bowe is one of the top 5-8 WR's in the NFL. One of those guys where you just have to throw the ball near him. Would be a great mentor to Hill, size would complement Tone and no matter who is QB would immediately be the biggest offensive threat on the squad.

    If you have to trade to get him, give up a 3rd or even 2nd to do so. Then lock him up as the 2nd or 3rd highest paid WR in the NFL for the next 5 years.

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    If the Jets trade for Bowe and give him an extension you would have to believe they'd find a way to get rid of Holmes.

    And, I don't believe anyone is trading a 1st or 2nd for Bowe.

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