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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    Sanchez is the main reason we were in this game. Throws to Keller, Kerley no top receivers and this kid stuck in their.

    Jaws agrees as do most QB analysts.

    You Sanchez haters sound like women complaining. He sucks etc... no understanding of the total game.

    We had 2 opportunities to win this game. On the 3 yard line, down 23 -20 a TD puts the game away and we still can get a 1st down but we dont use Tebow?

    On their 20 after the fumble and we burn almost NO TIME off the clock?

    THAT Friends is poor coaching and Sparano.
    Why do we have to choose?

    Can't we blame Sanchez AND Sparano AND Rex's fraudulent D?

    The play calling was awful. Sparano should have never been hired. He sucked in Miami and he still sucks. Becoming a Jet doesn't change that.

    But Sanchez was equally as bad at times. Terribly inaccurate. No awareness. He is not even a game manager anymore, he is below that now. We were close in spite of Sanchez, not because of him. Hill dropped the ball and that could have bailed us out, but what about all the other missed opportunities. We need more consistency. Not sure if his accuracy problems are fixable, and he hasn't learned from his mental mistakes.

    And Rex's D gets blame to. They played well except for when it mattered. That last drive before overtime was a joke. To let Gronk do that is inexcusable. I understand our talent at LB is poor but this is the same story for 4 years.

    No moral victories. The team is supposed to play hard. They are supposed to play for their coach. I can't give credit for that. That is bare minimum stuff. Being happy with that is setting the bar way too low.

    Everyone has a share in this loss. But it is the usual suspects. Something has to give.

    As of today, Clean house!!!!! I like Rex but I want a real GM and that guy will likely want to pick his own coach so if that means parting with Rex than so be it. GM, HC, QB. All for one, one for all. They have 9 games to prove me wrong. Yes, miracles can happen.
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    every qb makes mistakes. what i don't understand is why sanchez is held to a higher standard than so many other qbs who make mistakes.

    they don't need revis to win this game. they just need every single unit and coach to do a little better. the team should be able to win if the qb isn't perfect. there are too many on this board who feel the jets can only win if sanchez has no turnovers and never throws a bad pass.

    you want to blame someone for this loss? go blame special teams, for giving up an easy td. go blame the defense for not covering the tight ends or for not stopping the pats in 2 key drives. blame greene who fumbled twice. blame hill for dropping the game winning pass. blame wilson for drawing a PI call and having one of the worst reputations in the league. blame the coaching staff for not running it in on 3rd and 1. the jets gave up 130 rushing yards. where's the run defense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    The same thing can be said about the Sanchez haters
    The ironic thing is that people who criticize Sanchez are not Sanchez haters, they are Jets lovers. We all wanted Mark to be the next big thing when he was drafted. It has not panned out. We want him to stop making the same rookie mistakes he has made throughout his career. He has not. We want him to protect the ball in critical situations. He has not.

    We want him to succeed just like you. We are just better at pattern recognition than you.

    And this is the last straw. If he was a stand up guy, and took some blame, got pissed off at losses, and showed that he cared and had some heart, they I could say he is doing the best that he could, we don't have anyone better on the roster, so we ride with him and hope for the best.

    Now we have him blaming others for his F ups. That fumble leading to the safety was all on him. He has to get the ball to the RB. He put the ball on Greens shoulder pad. Then on the sideline he calls out Green and walks away pissed at him for something that was Marks fault. He is an immature boy trying to play a man's game with real men. They can see through him. they will say all of the right things, but they know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by augustiniak View Post
    every qb makes mistakes. what i don't understand is why sanchez is held to a higher standard than so many other qbs who make mistakes.
    Agreed - lots of blame to go around. The more I watch current NFL games, the more I see that parity has eliminated the 'perfect' team; all teams have weaknesses, all make mistakes. The eye-test for a good NFL team has changed.

    If Sanchez was better - yes, we could win more. But we could also say that about a few other select spots on the team. It's just a question then of which spot is easiest to fix?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    The same thing can be said about the Sanchez haters
    How many off target throws did Sanchez have yesterday? Quite a few

    How much time did he have to throw yesteray? All day

    Was that throw(int) to Hill one of the worst throws in NFL history? Yes

    Does Sanchez panic in the pocket? You bet

    Does he know how to throw the ball away? Nope

    Has he improved since his rookie year? No he has not

    Should he have avoided the game ending sack? Of course

    Does he keep his eyes down field when there is pressure (a fundamental for a NFL QB)? Nope, he actaully looks at the pressure and loses sight of his receivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenSpleen View Post
    Sanchez apologists should be banned from this board. They obviously have no idea about football.
    It's hard to make the "no idea about football" argument when after the game both Jaws and Boomer, former NFL QBs, were lauding Sanchez for his play in the game.

    In 4 of the 7 games the Jets have played, Sanchez has sucked without question, but in 2 he's played well and then you have yesterday where there is a strong difference of opinion, the media vs. the fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMC View Post
    It's hard to make the "no idea about football" argument when after the game both Jaws and Boomer, former NFL QBs, were lauding Sanchez for his play in the game.

    In 4 of the 7 games the Jets have played, Sanchez has sucked without question, but in 2 he's played well and then you have yesterday where there is a strong difference of opinion, the media vs. the fans.
    Yesterday's performance by Sanchez was more about the Pats D being awful than it was about Sanchez playing well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adpz View Post
    Agreed - lots of blame to go around. The more I watch current NFL games, the more I see that parity has eliminated the 'perfect' team; all teams have weaknesses, all make mistakes. The eye-test for a good NFL team has changed.

    If Sanchez was better - yes, we could win more. But we could also say that about a few other select spots on the team. It's just a question then of which spot is easiest to fix?
    i watch the games. i see a streaky qb and a team that made plenty of errors. like the yankees with arod, sanchez will take the fall here on a team where there is plenty of blame to go around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    Can't we blame Sanchez AND Sparano AND Rex's fraudulent D?
    Those are certainly the 3 culprits, but where are the threads hating on Rex's fraudulent D or Sparano?

    There's like 5 Sanchez suck threads last night and this morning. The fans are blaming Sanchez for the loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenSpleen View Post
    Yesterday's performance by Sanchez was more about the Pats D being awful than it was about Sanchez playing well.
    Yes, but Sanchez actually played on par with what other opposing Pat QBs have done. Thus, he was neither worse nor better than the Pats opposition.

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    Four plays.

    WR Hill is wide wide open for a big play sure thing td. The right play is called, the oline protection is great, and he throws a horrendous int.

    Another play, Reuland is WIDE open over the middle at about 20 yards. Hilliard is WIDE open in the flat. Sanchez inexplicably cannot see either.

    End of the game, Jets in FG range to take the lead. The one nd only thing you cannot do is take a sack. He takes a huge sack and makes our Fg kicker bail us out.

    Overtime, we are going to use four downs. A free down to throw the ball away if necessary, he is indecisive about the throw, gets hit and fumbles. Game over.

    The rest of the game he plays very well. But this is the thing. Sanchez either plays terribly AND makes 3 or 4 horrible bone head moves per game or he plays well AND makes 3 or 4 bone head plays per game.

    How many oc's will this team have to go through before the Sanpologists realize the guy simply is overall a bad QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMC View Post
    Those are certainly the 3 culprits, but where are the threads hating on Rex's fraudulent D or Sparano?

    There's like 5 Sanchez suck threads last night and this morning. The fans are blaming Sanchez for the loss.
    it's like the yankees with arod. all the other hitters who sucked are given a pass. everyone likes to blame 1 guy. it's easy to ignore that sanchez completed 68% of his passes, threw for 328 yards and led a nice comback. it's also easy to forget that special teams gave the pats 7 points, the defense still can't cover tight ends, the defense gave up 130 rushing yards, and that there were still dropped passes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by augustiniak View Post
    every qb makes mistakes. what i don't understand is why sanchez is held to a higher standard than so many other qbs who make mistakes.

    they don't need revis to win this game. they just need every single unit and coach to do a little better. the team should be able to win if the qb isn't perfect. there are too many on this board who feel the jets can only win if sanchez has no turnovers and never throws a bad pass.

    you want to blame someone for this loss? go blame special teams, for giving up an easy td. go blame the defense for not covering the tight ends or for not stopping the pats in 2 key drives. blame greene who fumbled twice. blame hill for dropping the game winning pass. blame wilson for drawing a PI call and having one of the worst reputations in the league. blame the coaching staff for not running it in on 3rd and 1. the jets gave up 130 rushing yards. where's the run defense?
    Great post. I posted this in a thread last night, this was as complete a TEAM loss as there can be. Offense, defense, special teams and coaching. Each had a hand in this loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenSpleen View Post
    Sanchez apologists should be banned from this board. They obviously have no idea about football.
    Why stop there? Just ban any poster that even entertains the thought of posting anything that even resembles a positive remark about this team. Then we can change the name of the board to a more accurate representation of what it has become...something like WhineyB*tchFansInsider.com or ImTheReasonOtherFansHateJetsFansInsider.com.

    And the best part is that we have sooo many options for posters' pictures we could use on the website banner that runs across the top of the page. Sooth better get on this ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    Four plays.

    WR Hill is wide wide open for a big play sure thing td. The right play is called, the oline protection is great, and he throws a horrendous int.

    Another play, Reuland is WIDE open over the middle at about 20 yards. Hilliard is WIDE open in the flat. Sanchez inexplicably cannot see either.

    End of the game, Jets in FG range to take the lead. The one nd only thing you cannot do is take a sack. He takes a huge sack and makes our Fg kicker bail us out.

    Overtime, we are going to use four downs. A free down to throw the ball away if necessary, he is indecisive about the throw, gets hit and fumbles. Game over.

    The rest of the game he plays very well. But this is the thing. Sanchez either plays terribly AND makes 3 or 4 horrible bone head moves per game or he plays well AND makes 3 or 4 bone head plays per game.

    How many oc's will this team have to go through before the Sanpologists realize the guy simply is overall a bad QB.
    So where does the defense and special teams fit in?

    Mark could have played better, no doubt, but to put this loss solely at his feet is crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    Great post. I posted this in a thread last night, this was as complete a TEAM loss as there can be. Offense, defense, special teams and coaching. Each had a hand in this loss.
    the thing is, it's always easier to blame the qb when you lose b/c the errors are easily attributable to 1 guy. but who do you blame on a KO return for a td? which defensive players messed up when brady drove for the game tying fg or winning fg? did any OLs mess up on sanchez's sacks? why does greene get a pass for his fumbles? what about the bad coaching inside the pats 5?

    the culture in ny, both from the media and inside the locker room, to blame sanchez for losses and to give the defense and coaches a pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenSpleen View Post
    How many off target throws did Sanchez have yesterday? Quite a few

    How much time did he have to throw yesteray? All day

    Was that throw(int) to Hill one of the worst throws in NFL history? Yes

    Does Sanchez panic in the pocket? You bet

    Does he know how to throw the ball away? Nope

    Has he improved since his rookie year? No he has not

    Should he have avoided the game ending sack? Of course

    Does he keep his eyes down field when there is pressure (a fundamental for a NFL QB)? Nope, he actaully looks at the pressure and loses sight of his receivers.
    He had a 70% comp yesterday, that is very good, that is accurate, that is efficient, everything the haters/detractors kill him for, he was yesterday, and you still complain.

    The INT was a bad throw, but it was more to do with his footwork and mechanics and making his transgression late, Hill wasn't his first option, he first looked left, then scanned the field middle, and then right, saw Hill, and didn't properly reset his feet, that happens all the time in the NFL.

    Taking the sacks was bad, no argument, he has to get rid of the ball in those situations. But that isn't a rookie mistake, it happens to a lot of QB's, but it's still a bad play.

    Has he improved since his rookie year? No he has not
    This is just wrong, on many levels, and last night was proof of that.

    Sanchez carried the offense yesterday, brought the team back twice.

    If Hill catches that pass, the Jets probably go in for a TD, Jets win, and we are all applauding Sanchez' game yesterday, that is how good he was, but the couple of mistakes that were made shouldn't take away from his overall performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Led Halen View Post
    Why stop there? Just ban any poster that even entertains the thought of posting anything that even resembles a positive remark about this team. Then we can change the name of the board to a more accurate representation of what it has become...something like WhineyB*tchFansInsider.com or ImTheReasonOtherFansHateJetsFansInsider.com.

    And the best part is that we have sooo many options for posters' pictures we could use on the website banner that runs across the top of the page. Sooth better get on this ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMC View Post
    Those are certainly the 3 culprits, but where are the threads hating on Rex's fraudulent D or Sparano?

    There's like 5 Sanchez suck threads last night and this morning. The fans are blaming Sanchez for the loss.
    He is the QB. Comes with the territory. He gets paid like upper-echelon QB. If were were 13-3 every year he would be getting too much of the credit. It goes both ways.

    IMO there is enough to be fed up with him from the mistakes he makes that are independent of coaching and surrounding talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    Why do we have to choose?

    Can't we blame Sanchez AND Sparano AND Rex's fraudulent D?

    The play calling was awful. Sparano should have never been hired. He sucked in Miami and he still sucks. Becoming a Jet doesn't change that.

    But Sanchez was equally as bad at times. Terribly inaccurate. No awareness. He is not even a game manager anymore, he is below that now. We were close in spite of Sanchez, not because of him. Hill dropped the ball and that could have bailed us out, but what about all the other missed opportunities. We need more consistency. Not sure if his accuracy problems are fixable, and he hasn't learned from his mental mistakes.

    And Rex's D gets blame to. They played well except for when it mattered. That last drive before overtime was a joke. To let Gronk do that is inexcusable. I understand our talent at LB is poor but this is the same story for 4 years.

    No moral victories. The team is supposed to play hard. They are supposed to play for their coach. I can't give credit for that. That is bare minimum stuff. Being happy with that is setting the bar way too low.

    Everyone has a share in this loss. But it is the usual suspects. Something has to give.

    As of today, Clean house!!!!! I like Rex but I want a real GM and that guy will likely want to pick his own coach so if that means parting with Rex than so be it. GM, HC, QB. All for one, one for all. They have 9 games to prove me wrong. Yes, miracles can happen.


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