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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenSpleen View Post
    The Defense held the Pats O to 20 points.
    So what does that mean??? The offense scored 23. They dont have to make a crucial stop at the end of a game to seal the win? They cant force the Pats to punt in over time?

    Edit, my bad 26 points.
    Last edited by sec.101row23; 10-22-2012 at 11:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenSpleen View Post
    The Defense held the Pats O to 20 points.
    and the offense scored 26 points

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    So what does that mean??? The offense scored 23. They dont have to make a crucial stop at the end of a game to seal the win? They cant force the Pats to punt in over time?
    the defense still can't cover gronk, even after he torches them game after game. they don't get to brady enough. they gave up 130 rushing yards. they didn't force any turnovers, the one they had was on specials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    So what does that mean??? The offense scored 23. They dont have to make a crucial stop at the end of a game to seal the win? They cant force the Pats to punt in over time?
    Meaning Sanchez and the O left too many plays on the field and kept the Pats in the game. Who had the tougher job yesterday? The D stopping the Pats great O, or our O playing against that weak ass Pats D? The D stepped up pretty damn well considering what they were dealing with.

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    There was mistakes from everyone.

    -Letting a Kickoff return for a TD on special teams.

    - Defense falling apart with under 2 minutes to go.

    - The dropped interception from Cromartie that everyone is forgetting about.

    - Stephen "Stone Hands" Hill


    Listen, I'm not a Sanchez supporter by any means. But you guys want this guy to play flawlessly every game. This game WAS NOT HIS FAULT.

    It's friggen football for god sakes. It's a give and take thing. Mistakes happen all across the board.

    You guys are the prime example of the saying "Qbs get too much credit when a team wins, and too much blame for when they lose".

    If you're the person who says the only reason why he had success his first two years are because of his defense, than you should also let that be the reason for the loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanchez 3:16 View Post
    Ron Jaworski. Complete buffoon.

    PMarsico9. Objective Visionary. Message board poster Extraordinaire.

    10000%

    About time you came around. Now you can change your username to something reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    Again, at what point does the defense share in any blame for yesterday?
    After the Jets took the lead late....the Jets Defense failed.

    After the Pats won the Coin-toss in OT, the Jets Defense failed.


    There ya go.



    Oh and I FORGOT about my boy Cro and his butterfingers-INT attempt. If he catches that, GAME OVER.

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    Game pretty much defines Sanchez, some good, some bad, some WTF.

    A lot of nice throws, really one of his better performances in that regard, although if you want to be nitpicky, he's still painfully slow in his decision making and that costs us opportunity for YAC many times, how many of those sideline routes to wide, WIDE, open receivers did he make where the receiver couldn't stay in bounds rather then throwing it earlier and giving his guy a chance to turn up field and pick up another 10 yards.

    And don't even get me started on the INT, he basically underthrew that ball by 7 yards. Or the failed handoff that turned into a safety. We're constantly at the top of the league in turnovers and that's simply unacceptable. To be fair though, the game ending fumble should have never been, that's an uncalled Brady-rule hit and should have been a 15 yard penalty. You can't dive at a QB below the knees like that.

    But the overall point is, it's his 4th year, he should be better then this. He shouldn't be making the rookie mistakes still. I wouldn't bench the guy because well, lets be honest, Tebow isnt a better option. But we're at the point where maybe we should start looking for someone who is.....and that's not so much an observation on yesterdays game as much as it is 3 and a half years of football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by augustiniak View Post
    if sanchez was so terrible yesterday, why did the jets get to OT?

    Because the Pats aren't that good. In fact, going into yesterday, there were 2 AFC teams over .500 overall.

    These aren't the same Pats. Unfortunately, these are the same Jets but it appears to be one of those years where there's about 3-4 good teams total in the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by augustiniak View Post
    the defense still can't cover gronk, even after he torches them game after game. they don't get to brady enough. they gave up 130 rushing yards. they didn't force any turnovers, the one they had was on specials.
    Holding the #1 Offense in the league to 20 points is an accomplishment (and it took them overtime to get that, it was 17 in regulation), honestly, aside from that WTF 3 man rush in the final minutes it was one of Rex's better coaching jobs. They're averaging 31 points a game. It's not the D's fault our O and ST gave them another 9.

    Seriously, WTF was that at the end of regulation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven0m View Post
    Holding the #1 Offense in the league to 20 points is an accomplishment (and it took them overtime to get that, it was 17 in regulation), honestly, aside from that WTF 3 man rush in the final minutes it was one of Rex's better coaching jobs. They're averaging 31 points a game. It's not the D's fault our O and ST gave them another 9.

    Seriously, WTF was that at the end of regulation?
    the end of regulation for both the offense and defense is why the patriots win and the jets lose. the pats can finish and the jets can't. this is for both offense and defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenSpleen View Post
    Meaning Sanchez and the O left too many plays on the field and kept the Pats in the game. Who had the tougher job yesterday? The D stopping the Pats great O, or our O playing against that weak ass Pats D? The D stepped up pretty damn well considering what they were dealing with.
    Three point lead, 60 yds to defend, 1:30 left in the game.

    Defense has to make a stop there. They make the stop there and the Jets win the game. Fact. Everything else is guessing. If Sanchez didn't throw the INT, if they stopped the ST TD, etc. We don't know how rest of game wouldve panned out but we know that if Rex's Almighty Defense that He Tells Everyone How Great it is makes 1 measly play on that last drive the Jets win the game.

    The Jets D steped up ... until it counted most and then it gave up a FG to tie the game and to win the game.

    BTW, if not for the McCourty fumble, does anyone here have any faith in the D to stop the Pats and get the ball back? Or was Brady going to drive for the game winning FG at the end of regulation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sec.101row23 View Post
    Again, at what point does the defense share in any blame for yesterday?
    The D played well. The Pats were not in a great rhythm all game. We forced 4 FGs instead of giving up TDs. We made Brady look not so great for most of the day. It reminded me of the 2010 playoff game. We had the Pats beat, but the offense just couldn't get enough done. You have to look to the QB and his overall play, he is the most important player on offense. Sanchez showed signs yesterday, but against a bad pass D, he simply didn't get the job done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMC View Post
    BTW, if not for the McCourty fumble, does anyone here have any faith in the D to stop the Pats and get the ball back? Or was Brady going to drive for the game winning FG at the end of regulation?
    another good point. and something someone else said to me today, if the pats had 30 more seconds at the end of regulation, they very well could have scored a td, rather than settled for a fg. it wasn't like the jets d was stopping them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMikeIsHot View Post
    Most people didn't think they would be in the game long enough for Sanchez to cost them the game with a turnover.

    He played a pretty good game and great in the 4th quarter. Every NFL analyst and expert I've seen this morning agrees.
    The key though is that the folks whio don't know what they are talking about think they they know more than all of the NFL analysis combined!!!!!

    The only two analyst who said Sanchez was poor were Ray Lucas (few things he likes) and Schein who keeps acting like we have Jerry Rice and Jim Brown out there when we put Tebow in!!!!

    Madness!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven0m View Post
    Game pretty much defines Sanchez, some good, some bad, some WTF.

    A lot of nice throws, really one of his better performances in that regard, although if you want to be nitpicky, he's still painfully slow in his decision making and that costs us opportunity for YAC many times, how many of those sideline routes to wide, WIDE, open receivers did he make where the receiver couldn't stay in bounds rather then throwing it earlier and giving his guy a chance to turn up field and pick up another 10 yards.

    And don't even get me started on the INT, he basically underthrew that ball by 7 yards. Or the failed handoff that turned into a safety. We're constantly at the top of the league in turnovers and that's simply unacceptable. To be fair though, the game ending fumble should have never been, that's an uncalled Brady-rule hit and should have been a 15 yard penalty. You can't dive at a QB below the knees like that.

    But the overall point is, it's his 4th year, he should be better then this. He shouldn't be making the rookie mistakes still. I wouldn't bench the guy because well, lets be honest, Tebow isnt a better option. But we're at the point where maybe we should start looking for someone who is.....and that's not so much an observation on yesterdays game as much as it is 3 and a half years of football.
    Great post. Says it all.

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    The three plays the Jets controlled that would have likely led to a victory:

    1) The 3-and-1 @ the 2
    2) The Hill drop
    3) The Kerley fall

    The game was there to be won a few times over. The Hill drop was huge. And the sack Mark took before the go-ahead field goal - I re-watched the tape - if Kerley doesn't fall down there it's an easy completion and he is well past the 1st down marker.

    Mark made mistakes - sure - but none of those three plays is on Mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adpz View Post
    The three plays the Jets controlled that would have likely led to a victory:

    1) The 3-and-1 @ the 2
    2) The Hill drop
    3) The Kerley fall

    The game was there to be won a few times over. The Hill drop was huge. And the sack Mark took before the go-ahead field goal - I re-watched the tape - if Kerley doesn't fall down there it's an easy completion and he is well past the 1st down marker.

    Mark made mistakes - sure - but none of those three plays is on Mark.
    it's easier to blame sanchez b/c most people here want it to be his fault entirely. it's easier than spreading blame around to the defense, special teams, talent level, coaching, poise, etc. the scary thing is that a lot of these posters actually think the jets would be 5-2 if they replaced sanchez with a qb who didn't make as many mistakes, as if the entire team is ready to excel and this one guy is holding everyone else back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven0m View Post
    Game pretty much defines Sanchez, some good, some bad, some WTF.

    A lot of nice throws, really one of his better performances in that regard, although if you want to be nitpicky, he's still painfully slow in his decision making and that costs us opportunity for YAC many times, how many of those sideline routes to wide, WIDE, open receivers did he make where the receiver couldn't stay in bounds rather then throwing it earlier and giving his guy a chance to turn up field and pick up another 10 yards.

    And don't even get me started on the INT, he basically underthrew that ball by 7 yards. Or the failed handoff that turned into a safety. We're constantly at the top of the league in turnovers and that's simply unacceptable. To be fair though, the game ending fumble should have never been, that's an uncalled Brady-rule hit and should have been a 15 yard penalty. You can't dive at a QB below the knees like that.

    But the overall point is, it's his 4th year, he should be better then this. He shouldn't be making the rookie mistakes still. I wouldn't bench the guy because well, lets be honest, Tebow isnt a better option. But we're at the point where maybe we should start looking for someone who is.....and that's not so much an observation on yesterdays game as much as it is 3 and a half years of football.
    Well said. I don't think you can put this game on Sanchez, but isn't that also the point? Wouldn't it be nice if we COULD put this game on Sanchez, because he DID take advantage of a golden opportunity and hit the plays that led to victory?

    Evidence: Hill deep yesterday. Cromartie deep against the Texans. The fumble late in the 1st half against the 9ers. The deep throws to Hill & Schilens against the Fins. The miss of a wide-open Holmes against the Steelers. Sanchez seems to be incapable of the big strike. The "make you pay" play. Every TD drive is a lengthy ordeal.

    He's not expected to be flawless. But it seems like every game there are at least a handful of plays where he misses layups. He doesn't make the defense pay for lapses in coverage. He doesn't avoid mistakes when it's crucial to avoid them. He is an infuriating player.

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