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    How the Jets stalled the Pats' offense/ ESPN article.

    ESPN analyst -- and former Patriots defensive coordinator -- Eric Mangini was on ESPN Radio on Monday and broke down why he thought the Jets were able to slow down the New England offense on Sunday:

    ďRex (Ryan) historically has played Tom Brady and that offense well. Thereís a formula to do it. Look at what happened yesterday: They locked up the outside receivers, and they clogged up the middle of the field and they played a post safety. Thatís why New England couldnít run. And unless guys like Brandon Lloyd can make plays, which he had opportunities to do yesterday, thatís the formula thatís going to keep going. Thatís why they need that outside receiver to be able to do something to take the defense out of the middle of the field. Thatís the way you do it.Ē

    Lloyd caught just one of his seven targets for six yards on Sunday for a 14.3 catch percentage, his lowest in a game since missing his only target in Week 14 of 2008 with the Bears, according to ESPN Stats & Information. Lloyd had a pair of drops on Sunday as well, only his second game over the last five years with multiple drops (Week 8 of 2011).

    You can listen to the podcast to get more of Manginiís Patriots breakdown, which includes his take on the defense as well.
    Pretty funny stuff. Some of the crazy people on this site are blaming our defense for the loss while nationally people are trying to find out how we slowed down the NE offense.

    Keep reaching for something/someone to blame besides those three turnovers on offense fellas. With no Bart Scott, Revis, Pouha, or Ellis this defense did a damn good job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KR View Post
    Pretty funny stuff. Some of the crazy people on this site are blaming our defense for the loss while nationally people are trying to find out how we slowed down the NE offense.

    Keep reaching for something/someone to blame besides those three turnovers on offense fellas. With no Bart Scott, Revis, Pouha, or Ellis this defense did a damn good job.
    They were great for most of the game and folded when it mattered...

    It's the equivalent of Sanchez playing three and a half quarters of great football and then turning the ball over on back to back possessions that lead to points the other way costing the team the game...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KR View Post
    Pretty funny stuff. Some of the crazy people on this site are blaming our defense for the loss while nationally people are trying to find out how we slowed down the NE offense.

    Keep reaching for something/someone to blame besides those three turnovers on offense fellas. With no Bart Scott, Revis, Pouha, or Ellis this defense did a damn good job.
    And yet when it mattered most they crumbled. There really isn't much to debate here. Who cares if they played well throughout most of the game? At the end of the day, the only time they didn't slow them down happened to be the most crucial drive. The defense doesn't get a pass because they played well throughout most of the game. To win games as a defensive minded team you have to be able to close games out. This defense has NEVER done that. Miami MNF in '09, Falcons '09, Jax '09, 2009 and 2010 AFC championship games.

    When it comes to being a clutch defense lets face it, we need to do a better job at closing out games. We gave the defense a 3 point lead to protect and the Pats had 1 timeout with little clock left. Instead of holding that lead, the Pats were able to march right down the field without a fight. They blew it. If the defense does their job, there is no overtime and there is no third turnover.

    The offense gave the team a lead and once again Rex Ryan's vaunted defense choked it away. End of story.

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    That's right, and it's pretty much been that all year long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KR View Post
    Pretty funny stuff. Some of the crazy people on this site are blaming our defense for the loss while nationally people are trying to find out how we slowed down the NE offense.

    Keep reaching for something/someone to blame besides those three turnovers on offense fellas. With no Bart Scott, Revis, Pouha, or Ellis this defense did a damn good job.
    It doesn't matter how well you play for 58:30 if you allow the other team to drive down the field to beat you in 1:30.

    The defense is loaded with draft picks and talent. They're expected to dominate.

    The offense is undermanned with unimportant draft picks and weak veterans. They're expected to struggle.

    The weaksauce offense built a 3 point lead with 90 seconds remaining.

    The loaded-for-bear defense let them march down the field and beat us. Twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    It doesn't matter how well you play for 58:30 if you allow the other team to drive down the field to beat you in 1:30.

    The defense is loaded with draft picks and talent. They're expected to dominate.

    The offense is undermanned with unimportant draft picks and weak veterans. They're expected to struggle.

    The weaksauce offense built a 3 point lead with 90 seconds remaining.

    The loaded-for-bear defense let them march down the field and beat us. Twice.

    SAR I
    Beat ya to it.

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    I think the defense did really well
    Had them stopped in ot except for phantom penalty.

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    Rex's defensive gameplan was brilliant yesterday.



    Then he threw it out the window on the last drive, opting for the prevent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mogglez View Post
    And yet when it mattered most they crumbled. There really isn't much to debate here. Who cares if they played well throughout most of the game? At the end of the day, the only time they didn't slow them down happened to be the most crucial drive. The defense doesn't get a pass because they played well throughout most of the game. To win games as a defensive minded team you have to be able to close games out. This defense has NEVER done that. Miami MNF in '09, Falcons '09, Jax '09, 2009 and 2010 AFC championship games.

    When it comes to being a clutch defense lets face it, we need to do a better job at closing out games. We gave the defense a 3 point lead to protect and the Pats had 1 timeout with little clock left. Instead of holding that lead, the Pats were able to march right down the field without a fight. They blew it. If the defense does their job, there is no overtime and there is no third turnover.

    The offense gave the team a lead and once again Rex Ryan's vaunted defense choked it away. End of story.
    Perhaps you and SAR BOTH need to lay off the crack pipe.

    But hey, what do all these sports experts know? A bunch of people on JI know why we lost, right?

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    Unfortunately, a football game is at least 60 minutes long.

    Rex scrapped his gameplan and opted for a soft, swiss cheese style D and they collapsed when it mattered most.

    It's happened far too many times to this team and not always at the hands of a HOF QB.

    And not only did they fail to stop NE from getting into FG range, but they didn't even come close. They allowed three consecutive pass plays of 15, 12 and 20 to get them into scoring position. 3 straight plays. It's almost like the Jets weren't even trying to stop them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    It doesn't matter how well you play for 58:30 if you allow the other team to drive down the field to beat you in 1:30.

    The defense is loaded with draft picks and talent. They're expected to dominate.

    The offense is undermanned with unimportant draft picks and weak veterans. They're expected to struggle.


    The weaksauce offense built a 3 point lead with 90 seconds remaining.

    The loaded-for-bear defense let them march down the field and beat us. Twice.

    SAR I
    On the offensive Line we have 2 first round picks.
    On the offensive line we have 3 previous pro bowlers.

    Our Qb was a top 10 pick being paid as a top 10 QB.

    Our Te was a first round pick.

    Our starting WR's this year (Hill/Holmes) were a First rounder, and Second Rounder.

    Offense was given a ton of picks and money just like the defense. There is absolutely no excuse for the offense to continue to perform poorly. The offense is littered with high picks, and big contracts. There is absolutely no excuse for giving up 3 turnovers including a safety.

    If/when Sanchez continues to turn the ball over he will be replaced. Jet Fans continue to create every imaginable excuse except the obvious. You don't win in the NFL when you turn the ball over consistently.

    Let me ask anyone this question. Versus ANY Nfl team if you turn the ball over 3 times(including a safety) how many games do you predict we win?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMikeIsHot View Post
    Unfortunately, a football game is at least 60 minutes long.

    Rex scrapped his gameplan and opted for a soft, swiss cheese style D and they collapsed when it mattered most.

    It's happened far too many times to this team and not always at the hands of a HOF QB.

    And not only did they fail to stop NE from getting into FG range, but they didn't even come close. They allowed three consecutive pass plays of 15, 12 and 20 to get them into scoring position. 3 straight plays. It's almost like the Jets weren't even trying to stop them.
    We allowed a 48 yard FG attempt in overtime against one of the best offenses in the entire league. That includes a ridiculous holding call against Wilson that would have got us off the field.

    You dont want to defend the deep pass?? Ask the redskins what happens when you dont play deep at the end of a game.



    Theres no way I can fault this defense after this game. In the end our offense was on the field against one of the worst defenses in the league with a chance to tie/win the game. Our defense held their offense to the lowest point total in close to a year(and they play much better at home).

    The Patriots offense scored 17 points in regulation against our defense. The Last time the Patriots scored UNDER 17 was almost two years ago---to which team? The Jets! When we held them to 14 points. We did this minus Revis/Bart Scott, Pouha, and Ellis.

    When it comes to our defense the fans have just been spoiled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaSteve View Post
    Perhaps you and SAR BOTH need to lay off the crack pipe.

    But hey, what do all these sports experts know? A bunch of people on JI know why we lost, right?
    When the beat writers call us "clowns" to sell newspapers, Cimini, Serby, Cannizzaro, Myers, Manish are all "idiots".

    When the beat writers join the pile-on to create a QB controversy to sell newspapers, Cimini, Serby, Cannizzaro, Myers, Manish are all "sports experts".

    JI people can be objective. Reporters need to sell newspapers.

    SAR I

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMikeIsHot View Post
    Unfortunately, a football game is at least 60 minutes long.

    Rex scrapped his gameplan and opted for a soft, swiss cheese style D and they collapsed when it mattered most.

    It's happened far too many times to this team and not always at the hands of a HOF QB.

    And not only did they fail to stop NE from getting into FG range, but they didn't even come close. They allowed three consecutive pass plays of 15, 12 and 20 to get them into scoring position. 3 straight plays. It's almost like the Jets weren't even trying to stop them.
    i know!

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    KR On the offensive Line we have 2 first round picks.
    On the offensive line we have 3 previous pro bowlers.


    All were not drafted in the Ryan regime for Mark Sanchez, did not improve the protection, was not a plus to what he had in 2009, was inherited. The OL did not help advance Mark Sanchez' career. The Hunter and D'Bust breakdowns of 2011 doomed last season, the inconsistencies doom this season.

    Our Qb was a top 10 pick being paid as a top 10 QB.

    What he is being paid is immaterial. We had cut Pennington, lost Favre, had scrubs on the bench, were not interested in any free agents. The decision was to grab the best QB prospect entering the NFL, just happened to be in Round 1 and first rounders get paid a lot of money.

    Our Te was a first round pick.

    Was not drafted in the Ryan regime for Mark Sanchez, did not improve the receiving corps, was not a plus to what he had in 2009, was inherited. Missed significant time due to chronic injuries.

    Our starting WR's this year (Hill/Holmes) were a First rounder, and Second Rounder.

    Holmes was an improvement, support for Mark Sanchez. With him, he had strong improvement over his rookie campaign. Once the other receiving slots were weakened, Holmes couldn't get open. Out injured, didn't help last night. Hill is an interesting selection but the need for a tall target that specializes in redzone conversion to help Mark immediately has not materialized.

    Offense was given a ton of picks and money just like the defense. There is absolutely no excuse for the offense to continue to perform poorly. The offense is littered with high picks, and big contracts. There is absolutely no excuse for giving up 3 turnovers including a safety.

    The picks you point out pre-dated Mark Sanchez' arrival, supporting the fact that Ryan's focus is on the other side of the ball. At the same time, playmakers like Edwards, Tomlinson, Burress, and Cotchery were let go and not effectively replaced.

    The issue at hand is Mark Sanchez' improvement year over year. The old tools he inherited continue to age. He got no new tools. Just a series of carpetbagging, old, past-prime targets with which he only had a single season to bond before they left town.

    If/when Sanchez continues to turn the ball over he will be replaced. Jet Fans continue to create every imaginable excuse except the obvious. You don't win in the NFL when you turn the ball over consistently.

    Mark Sanchez is attempting 30%-40% more passes per game than he used to, and it's not because that's what Rex Ryan wants; it's because his running game is terrible because that's been ignored too.

    Let me ask anyone this question. Versus ANY Nfl team if you turn the ball over 3 times(including a safety) how many games do you predict we win?

    Let me ask anyone this question. In an NFL where 25% of the games are decided by 3 points or less and the Jets average margin of victory is 0.9 points, how comfortable are you with a defense that has a major issue in sealing games in which the offense has provided a late-game lead?

    SAR I

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    Let me ask anyone this question. In an NFL where 25% of the games are decided by 3 points or less and the Jets average margin of victory is 0.9 points, how comfortable are you with a defense that has a major issue in sealing games in which the offense has provided a late-game lead?

    SAR I
    Umm, the thread was based on an article from ESPN about how well our defense played. So I would have to say I am extremely comfortable.

    If Ryan pulls out another top 5 defense this year without Revis, and reoccurring injuries to Scott, Ellis, and Pouha it would have been his best coaching job to date. He might even get an extension.

    Since you didn't address the question(nor make any sense) ill repeat--This team is going to continue to lose just about every game Mark Sanchez(Or anyone) turns the ball over 2-3 times. Obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaSteve View Post
    Perhaps you and SAR BOTH need to lay off the crack pipe.

    But hey, what do all these sports experts know? A bunch of people on JI know why we lost, right?
    Jaws and Hoge don't agree with you. They are experts, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KR View Post

    Since you didn't address the question(nor make any sense) ill repeat--This team is going to continue to lose just about every game Mark Sanchez(Or anyone) turns the ball over 2-3 times. Obviously.
    Since you didn't address my answers I'll repeat-

    Due to an inadequate running game and unacceptable wide receiving targets, this team is going to continue to play in very tight games and lose just about every game that Rex Ryan's Defense is asked to hold onto a 3-7 point lead late. Obviously.

    I'm glad that ESPN decided to generate hits to its website and created an article about the Jets defense. Any Jets fan can see that the offense stepped up yesterday and got us a surprising late lead and that the defense blew it, again. This isn't a new story. Same ol' Rex.

    SAR I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mogglez View Post
    And yet when it mattered most they crumbled. There really isn't much to debate here. Who cares if they played well throughout most of the game? At the end of the day, the only time they didn't slow them down happened to be the most crucial drive. The defense doesn't get a pass because they played well throughout most of the game. To win games as a defensive minded team you have to be able to close games out. This defense has NEVER done that. Miami MNF in '09, Falcons '09, Jax '09, 2009 and 2010 AFC championship games.

    When it comes to being a clutch defense lets face it, we need to do a better job at closing out games. We gave the defense a 3 point lead to protect and the Pats had 1 timeout with little clock left. Instead of holding that lead, the Pats were able to march right down the field without a fight. They blew it. If the defense does their job, there is no overtime and there is no third turnover.

    The offense gave the team a lead and once again Rex Ryan's vaunted defense choked it away. End of story.

    Those two passes to Gronkowski, were disgusting to watch. Two passes and the FG to tie wasnt even in question.
    Defense failed when it needed a stop to seal the win, they knew that, coaching staff knew it, no one got it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAR I View Post
    KR On the offensive Line we have 2 first round picks.
    On the offensive line we have 3 previous pro bowlers.


    All were not drafted in the Ryan regime for Mark Sanchez, did not improve the protection, was not a plus to what he had in 2009, was inherited. The OL did not help advance Mark Sanchez' career. The Hunter and D'Bust breakdowns of 2011 doomed last season, the inconsistencies doom this season.

    Our Qb was a top 10 pick being paid as a top 10 QB.

    What he is being paid is immaterial. We had cut Pennington, lost Favre, had scrubs on the bench, were not interested in any free agents. The decision was to grab the best QB prospect entering the NFL, just happened to be in Round 1 and first rounders get paid a lot of money.

    Our Te was a first round pick.

    Was not drafted in the Ryan regime for Mark Sanchez, did not improve the receiving corps, was not a plus to what he had in 2009, was inherited. Missed significant time due to chronic injuries.

    Our starting WR's this year (Hill/Holmes) were a First rounder, and Second Rounder.

    Holmes was an improvement, support for Mark Sanchez. With him, he had strong improvement over his rookie campaign. Once the other receiving slots were weakened, Holmes couldn't get open. Out injured, didn't help last night. Hill is an interesting selection but the need for a tall target that specializes in redzone conversion to help Mark immediately has not materialized.

    Offense was given a ton of picks and money just like the defense. There is absolutely no excuse for the offense to continue to perform poorly. The offense is littered with high picks, and big contracts. There is absolutely no excuse for giving up 3 turnovers including a safety.

    The picks you point out pre-dated Mark Sanchez' arrival, supporting the fact that Ryan's focus is on the other side of the ball. At the same time, playmakers like Edwards, Tomlinson, Burress, and Cotchery were let go and not effectively replaced.

    The issue at hand is Mark Sanchez' improvement year over year. The old tools he inherited continue to age. He got no new tools. Just a series of carpetbagging, old, past-prime targets with which he only had a single season to bond before they left town.

    If/when Sanchez continues to turn the ball over he will be replaced. Jet Fans continue to create every imaginable excuse except the obvious. You don't win in the NFL when you turn the ball over consistently.

    Mark Sanchez is attempting 30%-40% more passes per game than he used to, and it's not because that's what Rex Ryan wants; it's because his running game is terrible because that's been ignored too.

    Let me ask anyone this question. Versus ANY Nfl team if you turn the ball over 3 times(including a safety) how many games do you predict we win?

    Let me ask anyone this question. In an NFL where 25% of the games are decided by 3 points or less and the Jets average margin of victory is 0.9 points, how comfortable are you with a defense that has a major issue in sealing games in which the offense has provided a late-game lead?

    SAR I
    Did it ever occur to you that because the offense was previously invested in heavily, that it might be the defense that needed some help following that?

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