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    I believe the decline in use of heroin, cocaine, and other "hard drugs" in an environment of legalized marijuana is debatable, and the difference may be marginal at best. If you are inclined to do the harder stuff, you'll most likely do it regardless of the legal status of marijuana.

    However, one thing that can't be denied is a reduction in fatal car accidents and drunk driving arrests in states which legalized medical marijuana. Study after study has proven it.

    Marijuana is safer than alcohol. It's not even debatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharrow View Post
    Why do you try to change the subject to heroin & cocaine? It's not the same thing. If you weren't so naive, you'd understand.

    Anyway, I think someone saying that "weed is a thing of the past" is a pretty good indicator of said person being well out of touch with modern society.
    I think you guys are reacting to a facile understanding (of the guy you're ripping) which is confoundingly ironic.

    If the family is "sacred", then this is a big problem...who cares what the substance is. And...how is this person out of touch with society?

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    Quote Originally Posted by parafly View Post
    I believe the decline in use of heroin, cocaine, and other "hard drugs" in an environment of legalized marijuana is debatable, and the difference may be marginal at best. If you are inclined to do the harder stuff, you'll most likely do it regardless of the legal status of marijuana.
    This has always been my line of thinking.... Ive smoked marijuana illegally; I've never had any urge to try heroin or meth, even though they share the same illegal status.

    I don't have a horse in the race on this one but someting about the assertion that legalizing marijuana will decrease other drug use doesnt ring particularly true IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parafly View Post
    I believe the decline in use of heroin, cocaine, and other "hard drugs" in an environment of legalized marijuana is debatable, and the difference may be marginal at best. If you are inclined to do the harder stuff, you'll most likely do it regardless of the legal status of marijuana.
    I don't believe that a large portion of hard drug users are just "inclined" to use them. There are reasons people make the choices they do. One such reason is learning the taboo around Marijuana is stupid. It is then easy to assume the risks of heroine/ecstasy/etc are likewise overstated. Another factor, is that having broken the law once, it's easier to do so a second time.

    It may be a marginal reduction, but i find it hard to believe there would be no reduction whatsoever. It's just one more in a laundry list of reasons to legalize marijuana. The primary one (in my opinion) being the reduction in violent crime.
    Quote Originally Posted by parafly View Post
    However, one thing that can't be denied is a reduction in fatal car accidents and drunk driving arrests in states which legalized medical marijuana. Study after study has proven it.

    Marijuana is safer than alcohol. It's not even debatable.
    I wasn't aware of those studies? Have one handy to link?

    As to your second point, absolutely. Marijuana is safer than alcohol in a variety of ways. It has significantly less medical complications. Also, it's essentially impossible to overdose and die on Marijuana. I believe there is only one reported case of death be Marijuana overdose and medical evidence there is questionable. Killing yourself with an acute alcohol overdose on the overhand is relatively easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axil View Post
    I don't believe that a large portion of hard drug users are just "inclined" to use them. There are reasons people make the choices they do. One such reason is learning the taboo around Marijuana is stupid. It is then easy to assume the risks of heroine/ecstasy/etc are likewise overstated. Another factor, is that having broken the law once, it's easier to do so a second time.

    It may be a marginal reduction, but i find it hard to believe there would be no reduction whatsoever. It's just one more in a laundry list of reasons to legalize marijuana. The primary one (in my opinion) being the reduction in violent crime.
    I tend to agree with you, but I don't know if there is enough data to come to a distinct conclusion. In my opinion, there would be a slight decrease, and I see it being a wash at worst.

    I wasn't aware of those studies? Have one handy to link?
    http://washingtonindependent.com/116...-drunk-driving

    http://healthland.time.com/2011/12/0...raffic-deaths/

    As to your second point, absolutely. Marijuana is safer than alcohol in a variety of ways. It has significantly less medical complications. Also, it's essentially impossible to overdose and die on Marijuana. I believe there is only one reported case of death be Marijuana overdose and medical evidence there is questionable. Killing yourself with an acute alcohol overdose on the overhand is relatively easy.
    Add domestic violence to the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parafly View Post
    I tend to agree with you, but I don't know if there is enough data to come to a distinct conclusion.
    That's absolutely true, and a fair point. I guess i'm just more inclined to start with the easy decision, and legalize marijuana. See what happens. Then address other drug issues.

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    Para, you and I are rarely in almost total agreement.

    I say we savor it.

    Btw, someone mentioned that big Pharma/tobacco will never allow total legalization. That assumes those industries won't start investing in dispensaries.

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    I think we can all agree that higher incidence of DUI accidents and fatalities, increased gateway drug use, drug use/abuse/addiction
    at earlier ages, lower workplace productivity coupled with increased # of workplace accidents, greater incidence of birth defects, higher insurance costs, growth in the rate of violent / sexual crimes, higher incidences of respiratory disease and testicular cancer along with higher risk for psychosis when taken as a whole, a very small price to pay for legalizing pot.
    Last edited by Jungle Shift Jet; 10-25-2012 at 02:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet View Post
    I think we can all agree that higher incidence of DUI accidents and fatalities, increased gateway drug use, drug use/abuse/addiction
    at earlier ages, lower workplace productivity coupled with increased # of workplace accidents, greater incidence of birth defects, higher insurance costs, growth in the rate of violent / sexual crimes, higher incidences of respiratory disease and testicular cancer along with higher risk for psychosis when taken as a whole, a very small price to pay for legalizing pot.
    and, why do you care, General Patton?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestCoastOffensive View Post
    and, why do you care, General Patton?
    I can PM you the details, but it's something to do w/ "big-box" stores


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet View Post
    I can PM you the details, but it's something to do w/ "big-box" stores

    As the Workplace Safety Director, I make sure that we have soft corners and no hard edges here at Premium Escorts.

    Note that "Premium" is capitolized. big time


    Annnnd...we love a big box. :ohyeah:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet View Post
    I think we can all agree that higher incidence of DUI accidents and fatalities, increased gateway drug use, drug use/abuse/addiction
    at earlier ages, lower workplace productivity coupled with increased # of workplace accidents, greater incidence of birth defects, higher insurance costs, growth in the rate of violent / sexual crimes, higher incidences of respiratory disease and testicular cancer along with higher risk for psychosis when taken as a whole, a very small price to pay for legalizing pot.
    Parafly was able to substantiate the correlation he mentioned. Can you, or did you just make all that up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet View Post
    I think we can all agree that higher incidence of DUI accidents and fatalities, increased gateway drug use, drug use/abuse/addiction
    at earlier ages, lower workplace productivity coupled with increased # of workplace accidents, greater incidence of birth defects, higher insurance costs, growth in the rate of violent / sexual crimes, higher incidences of respiratory disease and testicular cancer along with higher risk for psychosis when taken as a whole, a very small price to pay for legalizing pot.
    You can say all those things about beer as well. Yet Bud is pretty much the National drink. Go figure.

    (BTW...no one on pot commits sex crimes or violent crimes...thats just silly.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2 View Post
    You can say all those things about beer as well. Yet Bud is pretty much the National drink. Go figure.

    (BTW...no one on pot commits sex crimes or violent crimes...thats just silly.)

    Al this talk makes me want to break out my bongs.

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    Al this talk makes me want to break out my bongs.
    My freshman roommate in college and I spent $14 on one. Big spenders! Four years later...we argued over who got to keep this filthy disgusting piece of crap.

    The arguments against legalization crack me up. Reminds me of the Churches attitude on masturbation. You know if they say its OK teenage boys might try it!!

    And stop with the "gateway drug" fantasy.
    Last edited by FF2; 10-25-2012 at 04:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2 View Post
    You can say all those things about beer as well. Yet Bud is pretty much the National drink. Go figure.

    (BTW...no one on pot commits sex crimes or violent crimes...thats just silly.)
    Not that I would ever stoop to deign to potentially consider a pissant's opinion, but no, I cannot say that Budweiser causes respiratory ailments, testicular cancer , hallucinations or is a gateway drug.

    But, if you want an increased heart rate and to ingest more carcinogens than a cigarette pot is probably the way to go

    Furthermore, pot always leads to intoxication, a high. A glass of wine or beer with dinner for an adult does not.

    True that beer is no good for those already w/ Asthma and COPD...or allergies...

    And interestingly polyphenols are also anti-tioxidants....http://news.menshealth.com/drop-the-...ne/2011/06/16/

    Yes, it was silly for this dude to smoke pot and go crazy on the highway...
    http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2010/...smoked-pot-fi/

    No one on pot ever commits violent crimes...? Edumacate yo' bad self...

    http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/dcf.pdf
    http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/vvcs00.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2 View Post
    My freshman roommate in college and I spent $14 on one. Big spenders! Four years later...we argued over who got to keep this filthy disgusting piece of crap.

    The arguments against legalization crack me up. Reminds me of the Churches attitude on masturbation. You know if they say its OK teenage boys might try it!!

    And stop with the "gateway drug" fantasy.
    What "Church" are you referring to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by quantum View Post
    My money is on Twinkies, Doritos, and Taco Bell.
    skip that and invest directly in HEMP/Marijuana lol.

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    Now Shirley Hemphill..she was pretty damn funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard View Post
    Maybe you missed the part in that post where I mentioned the heroin and cocaine problem. They're huge in my local high school.
    Its a bigger problem because of drug testing. Kids are not stupid they make stupid decisions. heroin and coke stay in your system a shorter amount of time then MJ.

    I don't advocate kids using MJ as their brains are still developing.

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