You're on. One election - if it's even .1%, I'll get SAR's wife and Palmetto to cover the RFID implants. :p
But whatever the number, I bet it's null and void, basically equal parts for both sides.
Last edited by isired; 10-26-2012 at 11:38 PM.
I'm add frustrated add anyone about the quality of candidates for Pres. (and many other major elections), but I think that 'fixing' voter fraud wouldn't change that, or the outcome of any of the national elections, and is more of a distraction than anything aimed at getting conservative voters out - just add voter suppression is used to get the libs out. which is fine, I guess. The true crime, IMO, is that so few people actually vote.
Last time we discussed this, I never did hear what the issue was with the inked finger, did I? Lower tech than RFID, to be sure, but super-effective.
Again, I can't have a serious conversation on this issue with someone who thinks the act of checking a photo ID is too much a burden, is racist and is too much cost to bear.
Agree to disagree and be done with it, and be glad your side, the side that favors no meaningful verification of any kind, already won.
So simple, so effective, no burden. Zero. If the goal is to obtain the most legal votes possible while suppressing the fewest, I think that's your first choice.
You expect me to believe that millions of illegals, who won't go to a school function for their kids or get a checking account or credit card in their name for fear of being found, will risk it at the polls? I just don't buy it.
I think politics is passion-inducing, but, unfortunately, not voting. Scarcely more than HALF of voting age people do it (for president, anyway). Compare that to something people are truly passionate about (watching sports? eating sweets? masturbation??) What are the percentages of participation there, do you imagine, among people of the age to do it?
On a related tangent (I find it related, anyway), I discovered a while ago, when my close friend married a DC area girl, that people in the area are skewed. They think that everyone is thinking and talking about national politics as much as they are. They lived here for a few years, and she couldn't believe how she heard about the mayor, even the public advocate, far, far more than the president or congress. And talk about business trumped the mayor by a wide margin, in her eyes. I found that interesting, so now, when I meet someone living here from the DC area, I take a quick poll, and their eyes light up - "Yes! It seemed so strange when I moved here!". Anyone else come across this?
But I'd be OK with it. Might not be perfect, but I am for anything that might help fix our election process, not just voter fraud.
I think you made a interesting point with saying that it is no "burden". And I think that is part of the problem. What ever happened to "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country"?
In terms of 'burden', I think citizens should be able to vote without obstacles, or at least with a minimum. I like the early voting, I like the mail voting, more choices is more better.
It will always be a very emotional issue for me. I can't tell you how disappointing it is to witness, and how frustrating it is to be helpless (and even painted as the bad guy) in attempting to correct it. Even one singular fraudulent vote cancels out another legitimate right of another. It's disgusting, but even more so are the lengths that some go to ensure it continues.
Again I encourage you to get a job at a polling place. Preferably in a district in which you know many of the people. I expect it will be an eye opener.
Last edited by JetPotato; 10-27-2012 at 11:43 AM.
The goal is to deny, 100%, any non-elligible voter.If the goal is to obtain the most legal votes possible while suppressing the fewest, I think that's your first choice.
And again, I think anyone who would describe an ID Check as "Voter supression" is either a raving drooling idiot, or simply wishes to protect illegal voters and illegal votes. And I've never thought you an idot Issi.
Then you're unworthy of my time, frankly. That, or you're simply naive and uninformed a person on this issue as I've ever encountered. You might want to step outside once in a while, and look around. Might be suprised by what you see. Illegals don't skip school functions or checking accounts, because no one at either location is checking them or that status in the first place. And they DO line up for every public aid program they can get away with because again, no one is checking them for elligibillity.You expect me to believe that millions of illegals, who won't go to a school function for their kids or get a checking account or credit card in their name for fear of being found, will risk it at the polls? I just don't buy it.
Seriously, there are days when I feel like I've falen through into the Twilight Zone. ID Checks are Voter Supression, Illegal Aliens get In-State Tuition, De-Facto Socialism is widely embraced, personal liberty is spit upn by half the peope in the name of the "greater good", and people say without a hint of embarassment that a guy who paid 10 million in taxes "pays less" taxes than them when they paid nothing in tax at all. **** me, If only there were other options........
Nope no voter fraud, nothing to see here, keep it moving...
Two volunteer poll workers at an Ohio voting station told Human Events that they observed van loads of Ohio residents born in Somalia — the state is home to the second-largest Somali population in the United States — being driven to the voting station and guided by Democratic interpreters on the voting process. No Republican interpreters were present, according to these volunteers.
While it’s not unusual for get-out-the-vote groups to help voters get to the polls, the volunteers who talked to Human Events observed a number of troubling and questionable activities.
A source, who wishes to remain anonymous, is a volunteer outside the Morse Road polling center. She has witnessed Somalis who cannot speak English come to the polling center. They are brought in groups, by van or bus. The Democrats hand them a slate card and say, “vote Brown all the way down.” Given that Sherrod Brown is the incumbent Democrat Senator in Ohio, one can assume that this is the reference.
Non-English speaking voters may use an interpreter. The interpreters are permitted by law to interpret for the individual voting; however, they are forbidden from influencing their vote in any way. Another source who also wishes to remain anonymous has seen Democrat interpreters show the non-English speaking Somalis how to vote the Democrat slate that they were handed outside. According to this second source, there are not any Republican Somali interpreters available.
The logical follow-up question is whether a non-English speaking person is an American citizen. Although Republican leadership in Ohio passed a voting reform law, it was repealed by the legislature itself after the Democrats threatened a referendum. According to the Ohio Secretary of State’s web site, someone wanting to vote early in Ohio must supply one of the following in writing on the absentee ballot form, whether voting early by mail or in person: an Ohio driver’s license number; the last four digits of the social security number; or a copy of a current and valid photo identification, military identification, or a current — within the last 12 months — utility bill, including cell phone bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the person’s name and address in addition to the voter registration acknowledgement.
Voter fraud puts people like Al Franken in who don't belong in the Senate, 'nuff said