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  1. #21
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    Sell the team
    Demote Tanny to his best abilities, numbers.
    Demote Bradway to Tanny's secratary.
    Bring in new GM.
    Bring in Herm for motivational talks with all units.
    Bring in Chad as QB coach.
    Bring in new HC, DC, OC.
    Find a way (new GM) to get rid of Sanchez.
    Bring in Rivers at QB
    Draft a WR and RB
    Bring in a RT via FA
    Upgrade LB's
    Get a pass rush going.
    My God. How hard can it be?

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    Agreed...read my avatar message. HOWEVER...when Mangini was here, we drafted like a top 5 franchise. Not sure how much REX, Mangini or our FUKKIN meddling spoiled owner have to do with this BUT..... we WERE good at drafting.

    FORBES analyzed BEST drafting teams from 2005 to 2009 and we were ranked number 5.

    Our drafts from 2010 to now are bottom 1/3 in the league.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2...egiate-talent/
    It's tough to rip our 2012 draft when we already have 3 rookies starting while both Allen and Jordan White have flashed ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maury77 View Post
    It's tough to rip our 2012 draft when we already have 3 rookies starting while both Allen and Jordan White have flashed ability.
    Fair point however.....

    Starting on this team is not that impressive. They start by default.

    when was the last breakout rookie we have had? Mangold, Revis?

    BUT..draft success, in my view, is not a Starter BUT the breadth of the players.

    A 5 or a 7 or UDFA becoming a beast like Arian Foster, Ahmad Bradshaw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afesposit View Post
    So Bradway & Clinkscales are the ones picking the talent???? Riiight.. Mr. Kool Aid drinker....
    Actually, yes they are part of it. Only if the pick isn't a consensus between Bradway, Clinkscales (until he left in May and replaced now by Jeff Bauer), Tanny and Rex does it boil down to Tanny to make the pick. He has the final vote

    I've posted many articles about the Jets FO and drafting process.

    Bradway & Clinkscales pleaded with Tanny to trade up to draft Greene. Tanny didn't want to. But he eventually made the trade to do so

    Again I've posted that article many times.

    Here you go.

    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010...adway-scouting

    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011...uson-nfl-draft

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Maury77 View Post
    It's tough to rip our 2012 draft when we already have 3 rookies starting while both Allen and Jordan White have flashed ability.
    Coples who has one very good game as a jet,Hill whose 1st game is his best as a Jet and Davis who is good but not great. Hell that kid from the university of Miami that scored the touchdown on the punt block seemed to be all over the field looked better than Davis

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by TokyoJetsFan View Post
    Drafting Sanchez wasn't the problem. Not drafting any offensive players to help him is the problem. Just look st what the colts did in this years draft to make things better for Luck. We've drafted D with our top picks since Sanchez got picked.

    1.1 Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
    2.2 Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
    3.1 Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson
    3.29 T.Y. Hilton, WR, Florida International
    5.1 Josh Chapman, DT, Alabama
    5.35 Vick Ballard, RB, Mississippi State
    6.36 LaVon Brazill, WR, Ohio
    7.1 Justin Anderson, OT, Georgia
    7.7 Tim Fugger, DE, Vanderbilt
    7.46 Chandler Harnish, QB, Northern Illinois
    +1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000........

    Exactly. Jets have no playmakers on offense. No running game. And let's be honest, the o-line play has declined significantly the past two seasons. Funny how Sanchez made plays downfield when he had a running game, time to throw and wide receivers who can get separation and catch the ball -- although I am high on Kerley's future.

  7. #27

    This whole Jets mess is all GM Tannenbaum's fault, and he's the one who needs to go

    Steve Politi: spoliti@starledger.com; twitter.com/StevePoliti

    “What we’ve become is a more diverse, dynamic offense.” – Mike Tannenbaum on March 22

    That seems like a good quote for the career tombstone, doesn’t it? Mike Tannenbaum was giddy when he said those words during a middle-of-the-night conference call to announce he had traded for Tim Tebow – not just as a back-up quarterback, remember, but as a special secret weapon.

    This is the same Tebow who touched the ball exactly once for the Jets on Sunday in a 30-9 loss to the Dolphins. Rex Ryan promised today that his staff would spend the bye week trying to find new ways to use Tebow, but it’s painfully clear now: The Jets coaching staff has no idea what to do with the player acquired in the only memorable move for the Jets general manager this offseason.

    Nobody would describe the Jets offense as dynamic as they dropped to 3-5 on another lost season, but give the GM this much: It certainly was diverse. There are no limits to the ways it stinks.

    This has to be it for Tannenbaum, right?

    He can’t survive another season like this, not with the Jets showing no signs that 3-5 will become anything but 6-10 in a couple months. The GM might have built a team that reached back-to-back AFC title games in 2009 and 2010, but he’s also responsible for the paper thin roster now.

    He’s the one who let teams like the Dolphins climb above the Jets in the AFC pecking order, the one who hasn’t acquired a truly impactful player in his last four drafts. The Jets have taken 21 players since 2009, tied for lowest in the league, and not one of them has reached a Pro Bowl, something 19 other teams accomplished during that stretch. Only one, defensive tackle Muhammad Wilkerson, has shown potential to become a star.

    It’s not just the draft, either. Tannenbaum is the one who insisted, after the Jets missed the postseason last year, that the Jets locker room is “filled with” guys like Victor Cruz, the undrafted free agent who became a star with the Giants. Come to think of it, maybe that should be the quote for the tombstone.

    The Jets don’t have a Victor Cruz. What they have is Chaz Schilens, the receiver who had the audacity to rip the fans after his whopping four catches for 29 yards. What they have is an offense devoid of playmakers, one that makes it impossible to properly judge Tannenbaum’s biggest move of all.

    The fans ready to abandon Mark Sanchez might be right – the fourth-year quarterback has done little to inspire confidence. He was supposed to finally solve the Jets’ issues at the most important position when Tannenbaum, in his first draft with Ryan as his co-conspirator, traded up to take him after just one season as a starter at Southern Cal.

    Sanchez hasn’t done that. Still: Can anyone be sure, with the personnel around him, that he’ll never be a successful quarterback? The Jets can talk about losing receiver Santonio Holmes, the player Tannenbaum inked to a $45 million deal, but he had hardly performed with the consistency of a No. 1 receiver before his season- ending injury.

    Tannenbaum is the one who drafted Stephen Hill, the rookie who can’t run pass routes. He’s the one who failed to upgrade the team’s wretched running game despite drafting three running backs the past three years – outside of one productive game against the Colts, the “ground and pound” has been grounded.

    But that’s not surprising. After the special teams meltdown against the Dolphins, the Jets are proficient at nothing. They are ranked 27th overall offensively, 29th against the run on defense and 23rd in sacks.

    The hardest part for Jets fans is thinking what might have been. This is a team that was supposed to be on the verge of something when it lost in the AFC title game to Pittsburgh two years ago.

    Instead, the Jets are 11-13 since. Tannenbaum let veterans like Shaun Ellis, Damien Woody and Jerricho Cotchery leave, added a pair of washed-up receivers in Plaxico Burress and Derrick Mason (who didn’t survive the season), and let what was once a strength – the offensive line – deteriorate.

    He responded to an 8-8 season that exposed a serious need for athleticism on defense and playmakers on offense with … Tebow?

    So a team that was a few players away now needs to be upgraded everywhere, and that’s unlikely to change before the extended trade deadline Thursday. That falls on the GM. Nobody thinks the Jets will turn a 3-5 start into a 6-2 or 7-1 finish to make the playoffs again.

    If they don’t, then Tannenbaum – the man who built this so-called “diverse, dynamic offense” – shouldn’t get another shot to clean up this roster.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by OhioJetsFan View Post
    Sell the team
    Demote Tanny to his best abilities, numbers.
    Demote Bradway to Tanny's secratary.
    Bring in new GM.
    Bring in Herm for motivational talks with all units.
    Bring in Chad as QB coach.
    Bring in new HC, DC, OC.
    Find a way (new GM) to get rid of Sanchez.
    Bring in Rivers at QB
    Draft a WR and RB
    Bring in a RT via FA
    Upgrade LB's
    Get a pass rush going.
    My God. How hard can it be?
    Other than that they are in great shape.

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    Keep ur heads up fellas. Tannys will be gone in jan. rex will be gone as well. And if we cant cut sanchez, his ass will be stapled to the bench.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath View Post
    Keep ur heads up fellas. Tannys will be gone in jan. rex will be gone as well. And if we cant cut sanchez, his ass will be stapled to the bench.
    Time will tell my friend ... Stay thirsty...

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    Quote Originally Posted by copernicus View Post
    Excellent point about Tanny and drafting from Mangini to the present. Interesting how Tanny drafted well until recently. What has changed? (Enter the meddling know nothing about football owner).............
    Drafting has nothing to do with Johnson. He's owned the team since what, the late 90's? Tanny drafted well when Mangini was here.THAT'S the common denominator.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by TokyoJetsFan View Post
    Drafting Sanchez wasn't the problem. Not drafting any offensive players to help him is the problem. Just look st what the colts did in this years draft to make things better for Luck. We've drafted D with our top picks since Sanchez got picked.

    1.1 Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
    2.2 Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
    3.1 Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson
    3.29 T.Y. Hilton, WR, Florida International
    5.1 Josh Chapman, DT, Alabama
    5.35 Vick Ballard, RB, Mississippi State
    6.36 LaVon Brazill, WR, Ohio
    7.1 Justin Anderson, OT, Georgia
    7.7 Tim Fugger, DE, Vanderbilt
    7.46 Chandler Harnish, QB, Northern Illinois
    Wrong, Sanchez flat out sucks. He has in some ways sucked each year in the league even when he had the other pieces of the puzzle. I agree with your point about not drafting enough offense higher but Sanchez is a huge problem, he simply is not a very good QB no matter what.

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    god i hope tanny is gone after this season. i've looked through the front offices of a lot of teams and looking for a GM that you would want is a LOT harder than looking for a HC.

    i'm sorry, but Polian is a terrible choice. that team was terrible without peyton and they would never have gone to the playoffs with an average QB.

    my choice? Marc Ross, Giants Director of College Scouting.

    Marc Ross is in his fifth season as the Giants’ Director of College Scouting. Ross is in charge of the Giants’ college scouting department and the team’s draft. He joined the organization on May 18, 2007 and ran his first organizational draft the next year, when the Giants selected Kenny Phillips, Terrell Thomas and Mario Manningham, among others.

    Ross came to the Giants from the Buffalo Bills, for whom he spent three seasons as a national college scout.

    Ross’ first NFL job was as a public relations training camp intern with the Giants in 1995. After leaving camp, Ross worked in Columbia University’s athletics department.

    Ross returned to the NFL with the Eagles’ personnel department during the club’s 1996 training camp. He was the team’s eastern regional scout from 1997 until 2000, when, at age 27, he became the NFL’s youngest college scouting director. During his tenure in Philadelphia, Ross was responsible for drafting such outstanding NFL Players as Brian Westbrook, Lito Sheppard and Derrick Burgess.

    After seven years with the Eagles’ organization, Ross joined the Bills in the spring of 2004 as a national college scout.
    http://www.giants.com/team/staff/mar...d-ea613a65d0de

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    tanny will be gone after this season.the jets should look to execs at teams like the ravens,steelers and the packers.they all have a good track record. a complete change in the scouting system should be in the offering.bradway must be dumped for sure.those steps should be taken for a quick revival of this orginization.I am sure that a majority of jet fans would agree with me.

  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by jets rooter View Post
    tanny will be gone after this season.the jets should look to execs at teams like the ravens,steelers and the packers.they all have a good track record. a complete change in the scouting system should be in the offering.bradway must be dumped for sure.those steps should be taken for a quick revival of this orginization.I am sure that a majority of jet fans would agree with me.
    Yes, Tanny and bradway must go. Need new blood in the scouting and drafting dept.

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Maury77 View Post
    It's tough to rip our 2012 draft when we already have 3 rookies starting while both Allen and Jordan White have flashed ability.
    3 Rookies on a crappy team--

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