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    Fates of Three Key Jets Are Intertwined ( a worthwhile read )

    The Fifth Down - The New York Times N.F.L. Blog

    Fates of Three Key Jets Are Intertwined

    By CHASE STUART

    Rex Ryan was hired by Mike Tannenbaum on Jan. 19, 2009. Three months later, they traded up in the 2009 N.F.L. draft to acquire Mark Sanchez. Since that moment, the three of them — the general manager, the head coach and the franchise quarterback — have had their fates intertwined. When the Jets made the A.F.C. championship game in their first season together, they far exceeded expectations, reaching that level far sooner than expected.

    In the following off-season, Tannenbaum became the toast of the N.F.L. as he acquired four veterans – Santonio Holmes, LaDainian Tomlinson, Jason Taylor, and Antonio Cromartie — to help put the Jets over the proverbial hump. In August, it was Ryan’s turn to steal the spotlight, as he became a national sensation and the coach everyone wanted to play for following his appearance on HBO’s “Hard Knocks.” During the season, it was Sanchez’s time to shine, as he led the Jets on game-winning drives in the fourth quarter or overtime in six different games, the highest number in the league. The Jets won 11 games and went back to the A.F.C. championship game, but again, were stuck at the Super Bowl’s doorstep.

    That was the high-water mark of the Tannenbaum-Ryan-Sanchez era. The Jets regressed to 8-8 last season and with a 3-5 record in 2012, appear to be continuing in a downward spiral. With Tannenbaum, Ryan, and Sanchez forever linked, the question the Jets will have to answer at the end of the season is whether all — or any — of them are the right men to take the Jets back to the Super Bowl.

    The Quarterback

    Statistically, Sanchez has been a disappointment his entire career with the Jets. On the field, he has struggled with reading defenses and throwing accurate passes, and as a result, he is ranked below the league average in completion percentage and yards per attempt in each of his four seasons in the N.F.L. Only 18 quarterbacks in N.F.L. history have ranked below league average in those categories while playing for the same team in three consecutive years. Perhaps surprisingly, all but three — Joe Ferguson, Mark Malone, and an aging Marc Bulger — returned to the same team for a fourth season.

    Of the remaining 15, one was Phil Simms, who tore his knee in the 1982 preseason, ending his streak of mediocre play. It wasn’t until he turned 30 that Simms had his first statistically solid season in 1985. David Woodley returned to Miami but lost his job to Dan Marino. Kyle Boller went back to Baltimore, but Steve McNair was acquired to replace him. Sanchez and Matt Cassel each received a fourth year in 2012 to prove themselves.

    That leaves 10 quarterbacks who had three straight years of below average play in both yards per attempt and completion percentage, and were brought back by their team and remained as starters. Five quarterbacks — Donovan McNabb, Tobin Rote, Jim Hart, John Elway, and Drew Bledsoe — responded with above-average seasons in their fourth year in at least one of the two categories.

    The other five? All again finished below average in the two categories for a fourth straight season. Mike Phipps in Cleveland, Rick Mirer in Seattle, Trent Dilfer in Tampa Bay and Joey Harrington in Detroit were the first four; the fifth was Eli Manning. I excluded Manning’s rookie season because he did not have enough pass attempts to qualify, but technically, he finished below average in both completion percentage and yards per attempt in each of the first five seasons of his career.

    Sanchez currently ranks 33rd in completion percentage and 31st in yards per attempt, so absent Peyton Manning wearing his jersey for the rest of the year, Sanchez is going to finish below average for the fourth straight season in both categories. In Kansas City, Matt Cassel may match his streak, although his days with the Chiefs are numbered.

    Can the Jets justify starting Sanchez in Year 5? If previous examples are considered, it’s doubtful. Mike Phipps, like Sanchez, was a top-five pick a franchise gambled on. In fact, Cleveland traded the future Hall of Fame wide receiver Paul Warfield to Miami to acquire Phipps, so the Browns were very hesitant to admit their mistake. In his fifth year, Phipps entered the season as the starter but an injury in the season opener against the Jets allowed Brian Sipe to take the job. Mirer was also a top-five pick, but after his fourth year, the Seahawks traded him to the Bears. Somehow, they were able to package him with a fourth-round pick for Chicago’s first-round selection. Tampa Bay, a team that was able to win despite its poor quarterback play because of a great defense, kept Dilfer as the starter in his fifth year, although an injury paved the way for the team to move on. Detroit traded Harrington after his fourth season to Miami for a late round pick. And while Manning’s individual statistics were not impressive, he had already won a Super Bowl with the Giants, ending any questions about his job security.

    If the Jets go into the 2013 season with Sanchez as the starter, they will essentially be giving him as long a leash as any quarterback in N.F.L. history has ever had. There are obviously other considerations with Sanchez. He will cost the Jets salary cap over $17 million if they release him before the start of the 2014 season. As it stands, the Jets will pay him nearly $13 million in 2013. But it’s the extreme exception to the rule for a quarterback to have four consecutive years of mediocre play be given the starting job in his fifth year on a silver platter. When a highly drafted quarterback struggles so consistently and fails to develop, there are usually severe ramifications. And they extend far beyond the quarterback.

    The Coach

    From 1998 to 2008, 30 quarterbacks were selected in the first round of the draft. In only nine of those instances was the head coach still around after five years. Mike Smith and John Harbaugh have had consistent success since Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco were drafted, so it’s no surprise they survived. The same is true with Tom Coughlin with Eli Manning, who managed to win in a Super Bowl in that time frame. Marvin Lewis and Andy Reid were in no danger of being fired after Carson Palmer and Donovan McNabb were drafted. Only four of the coaches drafted disappointing quarterbacks and still survived, but there were extenuating circumstances in each case.

    Brian Billick whiffed on the Kyle Boller pick, but winning a Super Bowl gives you a lot of leeway. Jeff Fisher had a long history of success before the team drafted — in the eyes of many, against the wishes of Fisher — Vince Young, and the Titans saved Fisher’s job with a 6-2 run to finish Year 4 of the Young era. Byron Leftwich wasn’t a home run, but four years later, Jacksonville was in the playoffs with David Garrard at quarterback, so the team wasn’t going to fire Del Rio (yet). And in Chicago, Dick Jauron was on the hot seat after the Cade McNown pick turned into a disaster. To the surprise of most, Chicago chose to bring Jauron back for a fifth year, and the team bottomed out to a 4-12 season and fired Jauron a season too late.

    If you whiff on a first-round pick, you better find a new one (like Del Rio), finish Year 4 strong (like Fisher) or have a ring on your finger (Billick) to avoid getting fired before Year 5. In Detroit, Jim Schwartz is in a similar situation, although the Lions were so bad for so long and Matthew Stafford was so successful last year that his seat is not yet hot. But when a quarterback busts, somebody must be the sacrificial lamb. Last year, Ryan made that the offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer. This season, there is no one left to blame.

    More damning for Ryan is the decline of the unit he directly overseas. The Jets’ defense has regressed under Ryan in nearly every key category since he took over. The team ranked 1st in points allowed in 2009, then 6th in 2010, 20th in 2011, and 24th so far in 2012. The Jets ranked 1st, 3rd, 5th and now 16th in yards allowed over that same time frame. Against the pass, the Jets ranked 1st in net yards per attempt allowed in 2009, but have slipped to 4th, then 7th, and now 12th. The run defense was strong in Ryan’s early years — ranking in the top 12 in rushing yards and rushing touchdowns allowed in 2009 and 2010 — before regressing last year (13th in yards, 27th in touchdowns) and collapsing so far this year (29th and 25th, respectively). It hasn’t helped that players seen as Ryan favorites such as Eric Smith and Bart Scott, have seen dramatic drop-offs in play.

    The General Manager

    Ultimately, Tannenbaum’s legacy will be tied to Ryan and Sanchez. But he made several questionable decisions that have backfired on him. Over the last several years, Tannenbaum consistently mortgaged the future in a valiant but apparently unsuccessful attempt to win a Super Bowl before the window closed. After the Jets made consecutive trips to the A.F.C. championship game, that strategy made sense, but it has backfired at nearly every step along the way.

    From 2007 to 2012, the Jets had just 31 draft picks, by far the fewest in the league. The Jets traded a second-round pick to move up in the first round of the 2007 draft to select Darrelle Revis; later in that draft, they traded a third-round pick to move up in the second round to draft David Harris. The moves provided immediate dividends and seemingly convinced Tannenbaum that such a strategy was the best way to build the team.

    The Jets gave up a fourth-round pick to move up six spots to draft Dustin Keller in the 2008 draft, and third- and fifth-round picks to acquire Kris Jenkins from the Panthers. They also traded what turned out to be a third-round pick to get Brett Favre from the Packers. But the real wheeling and dealing began when Ryan arrived.

    The Jets traded up in the 2009 draft to acquire Sanchez, losing a second-round pick in the process. Then the Jets gave up their fourth- and seventh-round picks to move up in the third round to draft Shonn Greene. New York also gave Philadelphia a fifth round pick to acquire Lito Sheppard.

    The Jets stood pat in the first two rounds of the 2010 draft, but selected Kyle Wilson and Vlad Ducasse, two players who haven’t come close to meeting expectations. The third-round pick that year was lost in the Braylon Edwards trade; the Jets then traded up in the fourth round, giving up a sixth-round pick in the process, to draft Joe McKnight.

    The 2011 draft was without a second-round pick thanks to the Cromartie trade, and then Tannenbaum traded up in the second round of the 2012 draft — losing a fifth- and a seventh-round pick in the process — to draft Stephen Hill. New York’s fourth-round pick was lost to in the acquisition of Tim Tebow, the best punt protector money could buy.

    But it wasn’t just the draft where Tannenbaum sacrificed the future to beef up the current team. The Jets gave expensive contract extensions to Holmes, D’Brickashaw Ferguson, David Harris, Bart Scott and Sanchez. All five players have failed to come close to living up to those new deals. The moves were designed to free up cap space at the time to allow the Jets to better position themselves for a final push. Instead, the team has taken multiple steps backward and now has to pay those bills. The most damning move was the extension given to Sanchez, which now hamstrings the team, preventing it from moving on from the quarterback without serious penalty for at least another year. Tannenbaum and Ryan may not be so fortunate.

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    Light a fire and let it burn!!!

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    Logical article, Tannys down fall is paying the wrong people and being a 'cap guru' dopes not just mean finding ways to defer money and such it is paying the right people the cash in the 1st place.

    If as people have indicated that we have no viable way to get away from Sanchez after this year then Tanny needs to be fired and poor Rex is going to go down with him sooner or later for not doing the right thing and insisting on some kind of Qb change.

    Next year both guys are safe in my mind they will be writing their own job obits if they cling to Sanchez.

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    The whisper is now a ROAR!!!!!!!!!! This is not going to end pretty for a great deal of current NY Jets personnel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangrene View Post
    The Quarterback

    Statistically, Sanchez has been a disappointment his entire career with the Jets. On the field, he has struggled with reading defenses and throwing accurate passes, and as a result, he is ranked below the league average in completion percentage and yards per attempt in each of his four seasons in the N.F.L. Only 18 quarterbacks in N.F.L. history have ranked below league average in those categories while playing for the same team in three consecutive years. Perhaps surprisingly, all but three — Joe Ferguson, Mark Malone, and an aging Marc Bulger — returned to the same team for a fourth season.

    Of the remaining 15, one was Phil Simms, who tore his knee in the 1982 preseason, ending his streak of mediocre play. It wasn’t until he turned 30 that Simms had his first statistically solid season in 1985. David Woodley returned to Miami but lost his job to Dan Marino. Kyle Boller went back to Baltimore, but Steve McNair was acquired to replace him. Sanchez and Matt Cassel each received a fourth year in 2012 to prove themselves.

    That leaves 10 quarterbacks who had three straight years of below average play in both yards per attempt and completion percentage, and were brought back by their team and remained as starters. Five quarterbacks — Donovan McNabb, Tobin Rote, Jim Hart, John Elway, and Drew Bledsoe — responded with above-average seasons in their fourth year in at least one of the two categories.

    The other five? All again finished below average in the two categories for a fourth straight season. Mike Phipps in Cleveland, Rick Mirer in Seattle, Trent Dilfer in Tampa Bay and Joey Harrington in Detroit were the first four; the fifth was Eli Manning. I excluded Manning’s rookie season because he did not have enough pass attempts to qualify, but technically, he finished below average in both completion percentage and yards per attempt in each of the first five seasons of his career.

    Sanchez currently ranks 33rd in completion percentage and 31st in yards per attempt, so absent Peyton Manning wearing his jersey for the rest of the year, Sanchez is going to finish below average for the fourth straight season in both categories. In Kansas City, Matt Cassel may match his streak, although his days with the Chiefs are numbered.

    Can the Jets justify starting Sanchez in Year 5? If previous examples are considered, it’s doubtful. Mike Phipps, like Sanchez, was a top-five pick a franchise gambled on. In fact, Cleveland traded the future Hall of Fame wide receiver Paul Warfield to Miami to acquire Phipps, so the Browns were very hesitant to admit their mistake. In his fifth year, Phipps entered the season as the starter but an injury in the season opener against the Jets allowed Brian Sipe to take the job. Mirer was also a top-five pick, but after his fourth year, the Seahawks traded him to the Bears. Somehow, they were able to package him with a fourth-round pick for Chicago’s first-round selection. Tampa Bay, a team that was able to win despite its poor quarterback play because of a great defense, kept Dilfer as the starter in his fifth year, although an injury paved the way for the team to move on. Detroit traded Harrington after his fourth season to Miami for a late round pick. And while Manning’s individual statistics were not impressive, he had already won a Super Bowl with the Giants, ending any questions about his job security.

    If the Jets go into the 2013 season with Sanchez as the starter, they will essentially be giving him as long a leash as any quarterback in N.F.L. history has ever had. There are obviously other considerations with Sanchez. He will cost the Jets salary cap over $17 million if they release him before the start of the 2014 season. As it stands, the Jets will pay him nearly $13 million in 2013. But it’s the extreme exception to the rule for a quarterback to have four consecutive years of mediocre play be given the starting job in his fifth year on a silver platter. When a highly drafted quarterback struggles so consistently and fails to develop, there are usually severe ramifications. And they extend far beyond the quarterback.
    Wow.

    Perfectly put, although it manages to skip Sanchez's horrid rate (and timing) or turnovers and turnovers for 6 the other way, which (I'd guess) is one of the worst in the NFL over his time in the league.

    Mark Sanchez has had more than his opportunity. He must be benched, and the other options tried, and if they fail, a new QB brought in for 2013.

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    Good read. We are doomed.

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    wow, good article. the question now is, who can come in and fix this mess?

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    The new GM needs to trade our best players to obtain draft picks in the net two drafts. We need at least 4 more 1st and 2nd rounders to get back in this thing for the long haul.

    The second year we need to draft a QB as it looks as though Sanchez is on par with A-Rod as far as being a value play for his position on the team.

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    Great read! Thank you! Suckchez, REX and Tannybum must go for starters!

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    Quote Originally Posted by canadianjetsfan View Post
    wow, good article. the question now is, who can come in and fix this mess?
    GM- Bill Polian and HC- Jon Gruden

    if not them : JIMMY JOHNSON!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Jet View Post
    GM- Bill Polian and HC- Jon Gruden

    if not them : JIMMY JOHNSON!
    jimmy johnson?!?!? he hasn't coached in almost 20yrs. that's ludicrous. Plus he hates cold weather.

    I like polian but he is ancient and his son is a douchebag. Interview the asst GM from either the giants, packers, steelers, ravens, or niners and go from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Jet View Post
    HC- Jon Gruden
    **** no.

    if not them : JIMMY JOHNSON!
    Double **** no.

    Who is your #3, Parcells? Knox? Weeb?

    How about someone not born before WWII.

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    Article was a good read and the draft review is unreal - and this did not mention roster screw ups,

    Vilma to Saints for Superbowl (no draft pick in return)
    dump shotty four years late - Gruden and Favre with Rex's D wins the supe!
    draft Vlad the dumb and ugly and cut Faneca - line chemistry gone forever
    Take out an ad for Tomas Jones in KC - WTF?
    Howard Green to Packers for Superbowl
    Woodhead to Pats for kick in the balls
    left at the alter by Aso
    trade for Tebow and do not use him

    ++++++

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohio State NY Jets fan View Post
    Article was a good read and the draft review is unreal - and this did not mention roster screw ups,

    Vilma to Saints for Superbowl (no draft pick in return)
    dump shotty four years late - Gruden and Favre with Rex's D wins the supe!
    draft Vlad the dumb and ugly and cut Faneca - line chemistry gone forever
    Take out an ad for Tomas Jones in KC - WTF?
    Howard Green to Packers for Superbowl
    Woodhead to Pats for kick in the balls
    left at the alter by Aso
    trade for Tebow and do not use him

    ++++++
    We received a 4th, that became a 3rd round pick ultimately (IIRC) for Vilma, who was coming off a knee injury.

    Yeah there have been some bad moves, and I was a fan of Vilma, but unfortunately just like Abraham neither fit Mangini's 3-4 Defense which is why they were ultimately traded away.

    Sent from my LG-P999

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaPZ187 View Post
    We received a 4th, that became a 3rd round pick ultimately (IIRC) for Vilma, who was coming off a knee injury.

    Yeah there have been some bad moves, and I was a fan of Vilma, but unfortunately just like Abraham neither fit Mangini's 3-4 Defense which is why they were ultimately traded away.

    Sent from my LG-P999
    Thank you for understanding the reason for the Vilma trade. Many people forget (or dont understand) that he didn't fit Mangini's D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    Thank you for understanding the reason for the Vilma trade. Many people forget (or dont understand) that he didn't fit Mangini's D.

    And yet somehow he "fit" on a D that won a Super Bowl. I'll never understand the mentality of trying to fit players into your system instead of designing a system to fit the players you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toooon View Post
    And yet somehow he "fit" on a D that won a Super Bowl. I'll never understand the mentality of trying to fit players into your system instead of designing a system to fit the players you have.
    The saints ran a 4-3 and he could go back to his MLB position.

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    It's never as bad as it seems. That's the phrase that comes to mind about this. Remember what Mangini and Tanny did to Chad? They told him to take a paycut or be cut, pure and simple. I know the Jets are now locked into paying Sanchez this ridiculous amount of money. But lets face the facts, NO ONE would ever pay Sanchez the kind of money the Jets have and if the Jets demanded Sanchez take a paycut and he refused? Well, he'd collect in the short term, but I don't know that ANY team would ever give Sanchez another chance after seeing how greedy he was with the Jets. Sanchez would need to think of his future before he gets very greedy.

    So I think the Jets should play hard ball with Sanchez. Just cut him outright. Either way the Jets are going to lose. If they hold on to him they'll never win and if they cut him they screw their salary cap in dead money. But at least in the latter scenario, they are moving on and pursuing their future QB. They could potentially acquire an established veteran and install him as the starter. You know that just about any QB they put in Sanchez's place is going to play better and win more games. That's obvious.

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    Once again the laughingstock of the NFL...that didn't take long

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohio State NY Jets fan View Post
    Article was a good read and the draft review is unreal - and this did not mention roster screw ups,

    Vilma to Saints for Superbowl (no draft pick in return)
    dump shotty four years late - Gruden and Favre with Rex's D wins the supe!
    draft Vlad the dumb and ugly and cut Faneca - line chemistry gone forever
    Take out an ad for Tomas Jones in KC - WTF?
    Howard Green to Packers for Superbowl
    Woodhead to Pats for kick in the balls
    left at the alter by Aso
    trade for Tebow and do not use him

    ++++++
    Your biggest gripes with Tannenbaum are that Danny Woodhead, Alan Faneca, and Howard ****ing Green are no longer Jets in 2012?

    Faneca was still a very good player at the time the Jets let him go, but there's no way he would still be good in 2012. Howard Green and Danny Woodhead are bums that caught on with great teams, and have never really done anything, so what exactly is your point? And yes, Tebow blows and there was never a reason to trade for him, but most people had that figured out 7 months ago.

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