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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    THIS^^^^^^^. The conservatives, like me, are becoming Embarassed by the republican party. Who cares who someone marries etc..
    It's absolutely amazing how many Libertarins there are on this board alone. Almost every moderate Dem or Republican I know is actually a libertarian if we all had to take a test. Lol. God forbid if the libertarian party ever replaced the GOP theyd probably have a real shot in a lot of automatic blue states especially in the northeast. Jmo

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    Quote Originally Posted by HessStation View Post
    I think the Romney GOP nomination reflects that they, at least, somewhat understood this but it wasn't enough. He had to turncoat a bit to get through and was caught in the crosshairs. He just wasnt the right guy.

    Is there a young, articulate, fiscally conservative, socially liberal or indifferent, ex-military man who can find a Latino or female VP running mate in 2016?
    As it stands now, that person would never get out of their primary alive. They'd stand a much better chance in the presidential election than in their own primary.

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    Tossup for me between the two highlights of E night coverage

    1) Top funder of the Romney campaign and pretty much the entire GOP Karl Rove masquerading as on air "talent" in fairandbalancedland getting into major hissyfit with his own network for calling Ohio for Obama because his outdated computer probably still connected to Ken Blackwell had his boy Mitt trailing by 991 votes. Instead of just firing him on the spot they had to dispatch one of their dizzy blondes down the hall to badger their own selection desk poll experts. By the time she returned Mitt was trailing by 50000 even on Rove's Commodore 64 and he relented

    2) Donald Dump' s twitter diatribes calling for revolution and who knows what else to prevent the will of a National Electorate to take place. Hopefully loyal Americans of both parties respond by BOYCOTTING his hotels, casinos, TV show and any of it's sponsors, golf courses, polyester suits made in China, beauty pageants, bad toupees and anything else associated with this sleezebucket

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    Quote Originally Posted by isired View Post
    As it stands now, that person would never get out of their primary alive. They'd stand a much better chance in the presidential election than in their own primary.
    I agree that's been GOP status quo to date but that's exactly what has to change. It's also why he'd probably need all other basic prerequisites...Male, Military, Smart, Charismatic, Fiscally Conservative...add either your more traditional social conservative for base balance...thinking baby steps...or possibly go the other route with a Female or Latino VP candidate and I think you have a winner...if he were to get that far, i should say.
    Last edited by HessStation; 11-07-2012 at 08:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    Tossup for me between the two highlights of E night coverage

    1) Top funder of the Romney campaign and pretty much the entire GOP Karl Rove masquerading as on air "talent" in fairandbalancedland getting into major hissyfit with his own network for calling Ohio for Obama because his outdated computer probably still connected to Ken Blackwell had his boy Mitt trailing by 991 votes. Instead of just firing him on the spot they had to dispatch one of their dizzy blondes down the hall to badger their own selection desk poll experts. By the time she returned Mitt was trailing by 50000 even on Rove's Commodore 64 and he relented

    2) Donald Dump' s twitter diatribes calling for revolution and who knows what else to prevent the will of a National Electorate to take place. Hopefully loyal Americans of both parties respond by BOYCOTTING his hotels, casinos, TV show and any of it's sponsors, golf courses, polyester suits made in China, beauty pageants, bad toupees and anything else associated with this sleezebucket

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    It was watching all the hipsters dancing for me.
    Last edited by HessStation; 11-07-2012 at 08:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post

    2) Donald Dump' s twitter diatribes calling for revolution and who knows what else to prevent the will of a National Electorate to take place. Hopefully loyal Americans of both parties respond by BOYCOTTING his hotels, casinos, TV show and any of it's sponsors, golf courses, polyester suits made in China, beauty pageants, bad toupees and anything else associated with this sleezebucket

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    Tossup for me between the two highlights of E night coverage

    1) Top funder of the Romney campaign and pretty much the entire GOP Karl Rove masquerading as on air "talent" in fairandbalancedland getting into major hissyfit with his own network for calling Ohio for Obama because his outdated computer probably still connected to Ken Blackwell had his boy Mitt trailing by 991 votes. Instead of just firing him on the spot they had to dispatch one of their dizzy blondes down the hall to badger their own selection desk poll experts. By the time she returned Mitt was trailing by 50000 even on Rove's Commodore 64 and he relented

    2) Donald Dump' s twitter diatribes calling for revolution and who knows what else to prevent the will of a National Electorate to take place. Hopefully loyal Americans of both parties respond by BOYCOTTING his hotels, casinos, TV show and any of it's sponsors, golf courses, polyester suits made in China, beauty pageants, bad toupees and anything else associated with this sleezebucket

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    You must be happy with the result - I admit I got it wrong thinking Romney was a good bet, there was a reason he was 9/2 in a two horse race.

    The election is won: now comes the hard part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freestater View Post
    Dumb examples. Those are not freedoms. My freedom to swing my fist ends at the tip of your nose.




    You're speaking to an anarchist.
    I believe you're contradicting yourself.

    In anarchy your freedom to swing your fist absolutely does not end at the tip of my nose. Anarchy means unbridled individual freedom. That means no crime. That means no protection from murder/rape/theft/etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by freestater View Post
    Of all the hypothetical terrors you can envision of a world in chaos, I can call each one with real stories of governments killing, maiming and stealing en masse. Whenever mankind has endowed certain people with the "legal right" to use force on others, it's precisely what they do. And the only justification anybody can dream up for this endowment of extraordinary privileges, is that it keeps us safe.
    I agree to a point. But keep in mind that in a sense we do live in an anarchy. Human beings, at the most base level, are absolutely free. Free to do anything within their capability including building governments. Individuals are free to defy governments. Governments are free to punish individuals. I personally would rather governments be smaller and choose to punish individuals rarely.

    Quote Originally Posted by freestater View Post
    ....you know.... except for the part about actually being safe.

    The crux of the matter is this; In no way shape, or form, does the fact that some overbearing narcissist decided to write down their threats and call them "law", do I (or anyone else) have any moral obligation to obey. So you can keep dreaming that the 30 to 40 percent forfeiture of everything you produce is fair trade for being 'safe' (), I'll keep dreaming of a world where people's egos don't justify their pet tyrannies at the cost of the rest of our Liberties.
    I think you misread me. I wouldn't characterize myself as an anarchist, but i'm probable closer than 95%+ of the population. I want a government that establishes an army to defend against foreign threats. A domestic police that keeps people from killing raping or stealing from one another. I also want contracts to be forcibly upheld by the government. I recognize that all of these things remove freedom. That's important conceptually, and the crux of my original point. When you tell someone it's not ok to kill someone else, you are limiting individual freedom.

    I don't want much else. I don't want the government telling people who to hire. That means i think racism should be legal. I don't want the government telling people what to pay. That means i think labor exploitation should be illegal. I don't want government telling people what to do with thier bodies. That means i think all drugs and suicide should be legal. I also don't want to pay to fix people who make bad decisions. That means i think heroine addicts should be left to die even in situations where the government could save them.

    My views are pretty extreme. However i understand that i am not an anarchist and there are still limits to individual freedom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HessStation View Post
    It's absolutely amazing how many Libertarins there are on this board alone. Almost every moderate Dem or Republican I know is actually a libertarian if we all had to take a test. Lol. God forbid if the libertarian party ever replaced the GOP theyd probably have a real shot in a lot of automatic blue states especially in the northeast. Jmo
    One of my closest friends.associates worked in DC for the Libertarian party as a college intern for 6 months. They are not a serious party and their goal is to get 2 -3 percent of the vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    One of my closest friends.associates worked in DC for the Libertarian party as a college intern for 6 months. They are not a serious party and their goal is to get 2 -3 percent of the vote.
    lol AIM HIGH!

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    we just want more jobs

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    Never Happen

    Quote Originally Posted by quantum View Post
    The Republican House should go along with whatever is dictated to them. The people have spoken, time to rubber stamp everything since they have no good ideas.

    I'm not being sarcastic.
    Your right. That is exactly what they should do. Then when everything the Democrats do works it would hurt the American People so much that they would run screaming to the polls to vote Republican next time. Your smart enough to see it and so would they be....except that the people who own them will not stand for it. If this were allowed to happen and things improved that much for the majority of Americans their(the people who own the Republicans) ship would be sunk. Our system of Government would take over our economic system and the everyone would prosper, not just them and so that is simply unacceptable. They want to keep the economic system running our government, not the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moninghaly View Post
    we just want more jobs
    Don't hold your breath. If Obama hasn't learned that you cant spend your way out of a recession then we are all lost. But then I am an old white and frankly do not care about america anymore. This country belongs to a new generation and they will suffer the consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trades View Post
    You know the Manequin in Chief won another 4 years right? The guy with no vision. The guy that divided the country more than any previous president.
    In what way are we more divided than in the past? Because the vote was 50-48?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moninghaly View Post
    we just want more jobs
    Then we just missed a huge opportunity, Romey had like 125,000 jobs coming if he won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2 View Post
    Then we just missed a huge opportunity, Romey had like 125,000 jobs coming if he won.
    Wait - check his coat, he left it in the limo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axil View Post
    I believe you're contradicting yourself.

    In anarchy your freedom to swing your fist absolutely does not end at the tip of my nose. Anarchy means unbridled individual freedom. That means no crime. That means no protection from murder/rape/theft/etc.
    Being an anarchist does not mean that one does not subscribe to the concept of Natural Law.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law



    I agree to a point. But keep in mind that in a sense we do live in an anarchy. Human beings, at the most base level, are absolutely free. Free to do anything within their capability including building governments. Individuals are free to defy governments. Governments are free to punish individuals. I personally would rather governments be smaller and choose to punish individuals rarely.
    Partly my fault here, as I am not trying to defend "freedom", rather I believe in the concept of Liberty. One cannot engage in the acts of theft, murder, rape et al, without violating the Liberty of another.

    As for the establishment of governments, only a person who consents to a government's claim to authority can be ruled by a government. When you remove the consent, the moral authority is removed also.

    It's a matter of who you think is sovereign over your life. Is it a monarch? Is it an elected official? Is it a majority? How about a plurality? Without consent, I contend that none are sovereign over any other, regardless of size or of population. If you point to the (obvious) fact that governments do in fact, have the ability to act on their own dictates, and that reality alone gives them their authority, then I would argue that street gangs who control city blocks would also have authority for their control based on that definition. Do they have that authority? Or are they simply predators who prey on those less formidable?


    I think you misread me. I wouldn't characterize myself as an anarchist, but i'm probable closer than 95%+ of the population. I want a government that establishes an army to defend against foreign threats. A domestic police that keeps people from killing raping or stealing from one another. I also want contracts to be forcibly upheld by the government. I recognize that all of these things remove freedom. That's important conceptually, and the crux of my original point. When you tell someone it's not ok to kill someone else, you are limiting individual freedom.

    I don't want much else. I don't want the government telling people who to hire. That means i think racism should be legal. I don't want the government telling people what to pay. That means i think labor exploitation should be illegal. I don't want government telling people what to do with thier bodies. That means i think all drugs and suicide should be legal. I also don't want to pay to fix people who make bad decisions. That means i think heroine addicts should be left to die even in situations where the government could save them.

    My views are pretty extreme. However i understand that i am not an anarchist and there are still limits to individual freedom.
    I was at the same place for a long time. I understand it. But the protections you look to govt. for are (at best) a facade. You're not safe. You never will be. From the minute you are born until you draw your last breath, you are in a never-ending contest for resources with every other living thing on the planet. Safety is a panacea. It never has existed, and never will. To surrender your own sovereignty for the promises of some utopian con-men, is a terrible bargain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    One of my closest friends.associates worked in DC for the Libertarian party as a college intern for 6 months. They are not a serious party and their goal is to get 2 -3 percent of the vote.
    We're supposed to trust a Bills fan??!?!?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by freestater View Post
    We're supposed to trust a Bills fan??!?!?!?!
    he's an anarchal antichrist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doggin94it View Post
    No. He's a complete isolationist nutjob on foreign policy, had his name on some of the worst racist newsletters, vilifies President Lincoln and claims the Civil War was unnecessary, and on and on and on. He'd lose the center at the same speed Pat Buchannon would
    He's no Pat Buchannon.

    And listen to him on the Civil War - is it a mainstream opinion? No.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbOE4Ip7In0

    But is that bat-sh*t? No.

    The newsletters, well, I don't know enough about that - but I get no impression from his positions or his many hours of political speech available on youtube that he has a racial problem.

    I think the problem with the Republican party is that people are thinking like you - i.e. Mitt Romney is a better national candidate than Ron Paul. That was the mistake. The only guy that got people excited and a had a message that appealed to all walks of American life in the GOP primary was Ron Paul.

    Folks like yourself wrote him off and chose (settled on?) a John Kerry-like retread loser from '08.

    I understand he had the organization, the money and was the most disciplined candidate, but that was all advertising/message - his weakness was his product, i.e. himself. Whatever he stood for, it did not resonate with enough people nor did he himself come off genuinely. Those are two big obstacles to overcome, regardless of how much money one's campaign has.

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