Yeah, I'd sure love to get what Mark gave us his rookie year, nobody else could have duplicated 12 TDs and 20 INTs... or maybe it was his 100 yard passing performance against the Chargers, nobody could have done that
Pretty much none of those teams was even good too which makes this whole thing even more hilarious. Detroit, Denver, Houston, and Cleveland were all horrible teams and the Coilts game, Sanchez threw for like 180 yards and led us to 17 points against a bad D. To SAR, this is the stuff of "legend"
What difference does it make who the receivers are if Sanchez is going to fold like a cheap suit the second he feels pressure, and lacks the toughness to step into a throw when under duress?
But ultimately, you're right, it's not a n apples to apples comparison. Joe Montana is the G.O.A.T. or close to it, and the only people who will still be talking about Mark Sanchez in 2014 are Jets fans.
What they don't stop and consider is that while Sanchez CAN take a hit, it's highly questionable if he is willing to, or just how skittish he is when he sees the rush coming. He panics and is easily spooked.
The next QB is going to fail hard if we continue this philosophy of changing receivers yearly and failing to use high picks on game-changing skill position players.
So if the last two seasons they knee-jerked for the defense it stands to reason that next year they'll do the same for the offense. But this constant reaching for questionable players with supposedly big 'upside' that only tend to bust has got to stop and is killing us.
The defense is soft, can't stop the run, still no pass rush, the youngsters are busting all over the place.
The running game doesn't exist, has a few spurts against terrible teams, shut down completely against the elites.
The special teams have fallen apart, what was once a rock-solid strength is now a big liability.
The coaching has gotten worse, critical Miami game and the team comes out flat, new offensive coordinator who's worse than the guy we got rid of, investment in first/second year front-seven players not being developed, clock management, timeouts, dumb penalties.
After you've exhausted all mental energy on those four areas in which our success is based, then you can have the luxury of taking shots at the quarterback position. It's a complimentary component of a bigger strategy. The fail of Shonn Greene or Muhammad Wilkerson is 10x more important than the fail of Mark Sanchez. Focus on that, people.
QBs are team leaders on and off the field. While their success surely depends on the talent they are surrounded with, the cream of the crop finds a way to win REGARDLESS of the talent around them. Maybe not SB's, but certainly offer more solidity and improvement than Mark has shown.
Teams can not be built from top to bottom with talent. 9 out of 10 times, you arent going to end up with a top notch defense, running game, and wide receiving corp.
He sucks man. The Talent around him is average, but we dont need to wait and dream about building a SB team around him in order to succeed.
Thats just stupid. No team takes that approach. At least sensibly.
Only Mark Sanchez' heroics in 5 critical games in 2010 prevented Rex Ryan's mediocre defense from going 7-9 and no playoffs instead of 11-5 and another AFCCG appearance.
Everything you ask from Mark Sanchez today is precisely what he gave you at Detroit, Cleveland, Denver, Houston, and Indianapolis in 2010. Played beyond his abilities. Elevated the play of the entire offense. Led us back from blown 4th quarter leads to get improbable victories. Did it two weeks ago at New England.
The problem today is threefold:
1. Even less playmakers now than he had in '09 and '10.
2. Punch-drunk from two years of horrific OL play.
3. Lack of confidence in him.
Mark has proven that he has what it takes. The Defense has not. Greene has not. Ryan has not. Tannenbaum has not.
You are going after the wrong bad guy. Worse, you are blaming the victim.
Everything the Jets are doing is wrong. They've deliberately neglected the offense to indulge Rex Ryan's fantasy of a defense that could be the equal of his father's and it's not working. It can't work.
We're not deaf. We listen to what we're told. We can see with our own eyes. The Rex Ryan Jets are designed to win on a stifling defense and a ball-control running game. All of our draft choices, all of our gameplanning, all of our playcalling, all of the pregame rhetoric, all of the postgame boasting, it's all about the defense and the running game. Defense and running game. Defense and running game.
So jumping up and down about the quarterback is futile as he isn't how we're supposed to win. We're not built for that. Mark Sanchez looks like crap by design. Because the defense can't stop anyone, because the RB can't do anything, because we are three-and-out city every first quarter, because we are always in the hole by two-scores early, we throw the ball. Throw it everywhere. Throw throw throw.
Problem is, we're not staffed for that. Rex Ryan has built an Army that can't win on the ground so he's asking his combat soliders to put on a flight suit and fly airplanes despite the fact that we've got no pilots, got no Air Force.
He may not be the only problem, I agree.
He's simply a major problem, in the single most vital position on the field.
You say he wasn't drafted to....
I say he was drafted to be a Francise Quarterback.
And not all the Chad-style verbal defense on all the forums on the internet can save him from being benched and cut loose if he does not drasticly improve, poor cast or no poor cast.
This is the NFL. Like it or not, winning starts and finishes at the QB position, regardless of what that QB "was drafted to do".
Pointing out that Harris may also suck is alot like pointing out you have an STD.....when you already have Cancer of the QB.
This is a perfect example of a fundamental lack of understanding of how NFL Football works.The fail of Shonn Greene or Muhammad Wilkerson is 10x more important than the fail of Mark Sanchez.
Last edited by Warfish; 11-09-2012 at 11:58 PM.
Points allowed certainly dont tell the entire tale, but look back to last season and you will see the NYJ giving up 24+ points on a regular basis. More often than not over 30 point per.
I guess we will have to disagree about how best to handle Mark Sanchez. Id rather just cut him after next season, rather than build a superior team around him to support him. That is a tough puzzle to put together in this NFL.