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    Hannity: I've 'evolved' on immigration and support a 'pathway to citizenship'

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    Hannity: I've 'evolved' on immigration and support a 'pathway to citizenship'

    Comments (98) By MACKENZIE WEINGER | 11/8/12 6:32 PM EST

    Sean Hannity said Thursday he has “evolved” on immigration and now supports a “pathway to citizenship.”

    Hannity told his radio listeners Thursday afternoon that the United States needs to “get rid of the immigration issue altogether.”

    “It’s simple to me to fix it,” Hannity said. “I think you control the border first. You create a pathway for those people that are here — you don’t say you’ve got to go home. And that is a position that I’ve evolved on. Because, you know what, it’s got to be resolved. The majority of people here, if some people have criminal records you can send them home, but if people are here, law-abiding, participating for years, their kids are born here, you know, first secure the border, pathway to citizenship, done.”

    “You can’t let the problem continue — it’s got to stop,” the conservative radio host added.

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    I happen to agree with him.

    - Strengthen the border
    - Make it easier for immigrants that are established participants in a community to become citizens.
    - Make it easier for people to come here legally.
    - Get rid of the criminal ones (and there are plenty)
    - And try to keep the people that come here for school. Many people get trained/educated in the USA and go home. We need those minds to be participants in THIS country.

    Securing the border is a must. Not sure how/why that gets viewed as "anti-Hispanic". Our porous borders have become a national security issue and that just doesn't include Mexico, we need to protect our ports and harbors as well.

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    Bush tried to achieve comprehensive immigration reform as well. The key is securing the borders. If we are going to have a healthy 2 party system it detrimental for the GOP to alienate Latino voters. The party will need to get on board with the Rubio plan.

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    Attaboy Sean.

    The day after the Hispanic vote trounces your party...you have "evolved."



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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2® View Post
    Attaboy Sean.

    The day after the Hispanic vote trounces your party...you have "evolved."


    If Barry can evolve, why can't Sean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    I happen to agree with him.

    - Strengthen the border
    - Make it easier for immigrants that are established participants in a community to become citizens.
    - Make it easier for people to come here legally.
    - Get rid of the criminal ones (and there are plenty)
    - And try to keep the people that come here for school. Many people get trained/educated in the USA and go home. We need those minds to be participants in THIS country.

    Securing the border is a must. Not sure how/why that gets viewed as "anti-Hispanic". Our porous borders have become a national security issue and that just doesn't include Mexico, we need to protect our ports and harbors as well.
    They should change the border (in some place near dense populations) to be an Enterprise Zone or some such where businesses & local state and feds get involved in creatively slowing down the on-rush of the dirt-poor. Get businesses that have been logged as using immigrant labor to chip in and send work down there or something.

    Kind of a tide pool of capitalism for those that are desperate enough to brave the crossing.

    ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2® View Post
    Attaboy Sean.

    The day after the Hispanic vote trounces your party...you have "evolved."



    The timing is just as coincidental as Obama's pre-election come to jesus moment with gay marriage, hypocrite....

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    Quote Originally Posted by brady's a catcher View Post
    The timing is just as coincidental as Obama's pre-election come to jesus moment with gay marriage, hypocrite....
    there is obviously a difference between doing it pre election than post election.

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    I'm all for evolution. Maybe the Republican Party will actually become votable for me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21st Amendment View Post
    there is obviously a difference between doing it pre election than post election.
    Yes, pre-election is pandering.

    Post-election, its coming to the realization that maybe the hard line approach to immigration is one reason why you lost, and in order to gain a wider base of support and win in 2016, sometimes you need to compromise and take a more moderate stance, which I think is what Hannity is proposing.

    I think what he's saying, and what DDNY outlined, is a reasonable approach to immigration for the Republican party to consider.

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    Couldn't care less what Hannity thinks.

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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by WestCoastOffensive View Post
    They should change the border (in some place near dense populations) to be an Enterprise Zone or some such where businesses & local state and feds get involved in creatively slowing down the on-rush of the dirt-poor. Get businesses that have been logged as using immigrant labor to chip in and send work down there or something.

    Kind of a tide pool of capitalism for those that are desperate enough to brave the crossing.

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    That's actually a pretty good idea. Reduces illegal border crossings AND someone gets to make money off it. Win-win.

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    Total surrender on "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" inbound shortly I think. Legislation passed and signed by Summer 2013.

    Path to Citizenship, i.e. Amnesty for all intents and purposes, will pass. Promices ot "secure the border" will be made, but just like 1984, nothing material will come of it. The border will remain open, immigration law will remain widely unenforced, and the 20 mil soon-to-be-new-citizens will continue to vote 70% Democrat.

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    Not that Hannity is the sharpest knife in the drawer, far from it, too bad he doesn't know pandering and catering to Hispanics is and will always be a non-starter for (R).

    Hispanics voted the way they did because they are the biggest consumers of social services in many states, citizens and illegal thieves alike and don't want that to cease. Ever.
    2nd their "family values" include government handouts to their Paisanos.
    3rd reason was Identity Politics.

    Would the airy-fairy lightweight Rubio on the (R) ticket have mattered?
    I expect nothing less than Unconditional Amnesty from him in future.
    A 10-50K per person fee/penalty would be useful for gov't coffers. Won't happen.
    And Open Borders to remain as well even afterward.
    As well as the unlimited handouts from Pampers to Pesos in exchange for votes.

    A general expectation by rational voters was that It's The Economy Stupid, again, only 1000x worse and people would vote in those most likely to correct the issue. (OweBowMao himself knew he sucked the root hard and was penning a concession speech)

    An expectation that voters in general would be smart enough to see that B. Hussein and Caps 'n Plugs had no plan except to shamelessly demonize Romney and accuse him of doing bad stuff, and do even more bad stuff as Preezy. Causing peoples death and suchlike as well as take away the gov't teat.

    9M fewer votes for B. Hussein this go round shouldve tolled a death knell for the jug-eared grifter, but 3M fewer votes were received for (R) this time too

    With so much at stake, as many as 8M registered votersstayed home?
    The Evangelicals who still think Mormons are blasphemers?
    I readthat 1M uninformed dopes pissed their vote away on Johnson?

    *****

    Excluding myself and a scant few others here I'll paraphrase a famous line to coin a new one that'll cover the rest-"We Are All Chris Christies Now". Willing to take it in the keister and compromise our values or diminish our standard of living as long as the Gimmedat party will give us what we crave. Could be a handout, could be choom, could be a diaphragm. Pretty pathetic.

    Another almost unbelievable thing I did note-the wealthiest counties
    in the USA are said to have voted 2:1 for 0. So like Hannity I have evolved and changed course myself as well and say, even though it'll barely make a dent in (D)'s massive deficit, let the confiscation/higher taxes begin on those 1% pukes chop-chop!

    But really, who am I kidding with that concept. Wealth of the 1% kind is mobile. Like the rich French guys now taking their wealth abroad to avoid Socialist taxation, if threatened domestic wealth'll leave the market and this country faster than sh!t through a goose just like Romney's alleged Cayman Islands stash, but only for realz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Shift Jet View Post
    Not that Hannity is the sharpest knife in the drawer, far from it, too bad he doesn't know pandering and catering to Hispanics is and will always be a non-starter for (R).

    Hispanics voted the way they did because they are the biggest consumers of social services in many states, citizens and illegal thieves alike and don't want that to cease. Ever.
    2nd their "family values" include government handouts to their Paisanos.
    3rd reason was Identity Politics.

    Would the airy-fairy lightweight Rubio on the (R) ticket have mattered?
    I expect nothing less than Unconditional Amnesty from him in future.
    A 10-50K per person fee/penalty would be useful for gov't coffers. Won't happen.
    And Open Borders to remain as well even afterward.
    As well as the unlimited handouts from Pampers to Pesos in exchange for votes.

    A general expectation by rational voters was that It's The Economy Stupid, again, only 1000x worse and people would vote in those most likely to correct the issue. (OweBowMao himself knew he sucked the root hard and was penning a concession speech)

    An expectation that voters in general would be smart enough to see that B. Hussein and Caps 'n Plugs had no plan except to shamelessly demonize Romney and accuse him of doing bad stuff, and do even more bad stuff as Preezy. Causing peoples death and suchlike as well as take away the gov't teat.

    9M fewer votes for B. Hussein this go round shouldve tolled a death knell for the jug-eared grifter, but 3M fewer votes were received for (R) this time too

    With so much at stake, as many as 8M registered votersstayed home?
    The Evangelicals who still think Mormons are blasphemers?
    I readthat 1M uninformed dopes pissed their vote away on Johnson?

    *****

    Excluding myself and a scant few others here I'll paraphrase a famous line to coin a new one that'll cover the rest-"We Are All Chris Christies Now". Willing to take it in the keister and compromise our values or diminish our standard of living as long as the Gimmedat party will give us what we crave. Could be a handout, could be choom, could be a diaphragm. Pretty pathetic.

    Another almost unbelievable thing I did note-the wealthiest counties
    in the USA are said to have voted 2:1 for 0. So like Hannity I have evolved and changed course myself as well and say, even though it'll barely make a dent in (D)'s massive deficit, let the confiscation/higher taxes begin on those 1% pukes chop-chop!

    But really, who am I kidding with that concept. Wealth of the 1% kind is mobile. Like the rich French guys now taking their wealth abroad to avoid Socialist taxation, if threatened domestic wealth'll leave the market and this country faster than sh!t through a goose just like Romney's alleged Cayman Islands stash, but only for realz.
    Please take your opinion out of this or you're gone for a week; can't have this.

    Are you kidding ROmney had a sound barrier breaking free fall; you must have a bad tape recorder - that's Mitt implicating himself over and over. The only smearing done was when O and Joe tried to wipe the **** eating grins off of their faces.

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    Wait a minute.

    Obama won 8 of the 10 richest counties in the country?

    I thought only poor deadbeat leaches who are interested in gov't handouts voted for Barack?

    There must be some sort of mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestCoastOffensive View Post
    Please take your opinion out of this or you're gone for a week; can't have this.

    Are you kidding ROmney had a sound barrier breaking free fall; you must have a bad tape recorder - that's Mitt implicating himself over and over. The only smearing done was when O and Joe tried to wipe the **** eating grins off of their faces.
    Well no, it's not just a SWAG of a notion without any basis.

    The call for Republicans to discard their opposition to immigration amnesty will grow deafening in the wake of President Obama’s victory. Hispanics supported Obama by a margin of nearly 75 percent to 25 percent, and may have provided important margins in some swing states. If only Republicans relented on their Neanderthal views regarding the immigration rule of law, the message will run, they would release the inner Republican waiting to emerge in the Hispanic population.

    If Republicans want to change their stance on immigration, they should do so on the merits, not out of a belief that only immigration policy stands between them and a Republican Hispanic majority. It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation. Hispanics will prove to be even more decisive in the victory of Governor Jerry Brown’s Proposition 30, which raised upper-income taxes and the sales tax, than in the Obama election.

    And California is the wave of the future. A March 2011 poll by Moore Information found that Republican economic policies were a stronger turn-off for Hispanic voters in California than Republican positions on illegal immigration. Twenty-nine percent of Hispanic voters were suspicious of the Republican party on class-warfare grounds — “it favors only the rich”; “Republicans are selfish and out for themselves”; “Republicans don’t represent the average person”– compared with 7 percent who objected to Republican immigration stances.

    I spoke last year with John Echeveste, founder of the oldest Latino marketing firm in southern California, about Hispanic politics. “What Republicans mean by ‘family values’ and what Hispanics mean are two completely different things,” he said. “We are a very compassionate people, we care about other people and understand that government has a role to play in helping people.”

    And a strong reason for that support for big government is that so many Hispanics use government programs. U.S.-born Hispanic households in California use welfare programs at twice the rate of native-born non-Hispanic households. And that is because nearly one-quarter of all Hispanics are poor in California, compared to a little over one-tenth of non-Hispanics. Nearly seven in ten poor children in the state are Hispanic, and one in three Hispanic children is poor, compared to less than one in six non-Hispanic children. One can see that disparity in classrooms across the state, which are chock full of social workers and teachers’ aides trying to boost Hispanic educational performance.

    The idea of the “social issues” Hispanic voter is also a mirage. A majority of Hispanics now support gay marriage, a Pew Research Center poll from last month found. The Hispanic out-of-wedlock birth rate is 53 percent, about twice that of whites. The demographic changes set into motion by official and de facto immigration policy favoring low-skilled over high-skilled immigrants mean that a Republican party that purports to stand for small government and free markets faces an uncertain future.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332916/why-hispanics-dont-vote-republicans-heather-mac-donald

    If you don't want to believe this stuff, you can dismiss it like you do anything you else don't agree with, but if you do that
    you certainly won't believe that about 5% of all illegals from anywhere have any skills, ranging from basic literacy to mastery of a craft (Masonry, Electric, Plumbing, Roofing, etc.) to a White Collar profession that requires a College Degree.

    The training needed for anything beyond relatively menial work as lawn mowing, dish washing and janitorial services (NB: IMO There's nothing wrong with working for any kind of a living or having a work ethic, so don't misunderstand this either) should have amply demonstrated that to you.

    For me, the reasonable action is to locate and boot every leech out who sleazed in from any corner of the earth. No one likes a line jumper, wait in line like the legal immigrants. The nice man who works hard and makes me a yummy pancake at IHOP that I pay for when served to pay his wage but also has 3 kids who cause my property taxes to rise 5%-10% YTY is ultimately a crook and a parasite who lives off my labor too and diminishes my standard of living-I have no say in the matter except to vote with my feet and leave MY home if I don't wanna subsidize his future/retirement home. Insult to injury is remittances sent abroad out of the US economy. Its a sin, or a crime, or both to steal from others. If unforced charity doesn't cover costs, tough darts.
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    So democrats have essentially "won" the illegal immigration issue? Isn't this like giving up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharrow View Post
    So democrats have essentially "won" the illegal immigration issue? Isn't this like giving up?
    IMO no, IMO it's a good sign. Hanitty is a blowhard but he's a big voice and influencer for a lot of conservatives. In my opinion it's progress. It's an open minded result of understanding you're not always right.
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    Everyone knows that Hannity wouldn't have "changed his tune" on this or anything else if they were able to win the election, but it's still interesting.

    All of those media demagogues have a ton of sway over the narrative - more than any of the Republican politicians I can think of - and I'm sure they'll all be pushing and poking in their own directions. I can't imagine that Beck and Coulter are up for "evolving," for example.

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