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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Jet Fan View Post
    Yeah I agree with you, but in this case I felt it was necessary for people to see that while Cro has been defending well he does not tackle well and does not create the turnovers that alot of the elite cornerbacks do.
    But let's also consider that like when revis was healthy, cro is not getting picked on especially with the likes of Wilson on the other side...he is not getting the chance to make plays

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    I'll give you Tillman thus far.

    Woodson's technically a safety.

    I'd probably go like this, not including Revis:

    Tillman
    Browner
    Sherman
    Cro

    Jonathan Joseph is Overrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMarsico9 View Post
    I'll give you Tillman thus far.

    Woodson's technically a safety.

    I'd probably go like this, not including Revis:

    Tillman
    Browner
    Sherman
    Cro

    Jonathan Joseph is Overrated.
    Fair Enough.

    But I would rather have Tim Jennings and Ladarius Webb over Cro any day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiseryLovesCompany99 View Post
    NOW THIS IS MY TYPE OF THREAD...
    Been working on this continually, post it here and there but it is a week out of date, no Hicks, Allen on P.S. ...

    NYJ FUTURE 2013 OUTLOOK-

    $121 Million EXPECTED 2013 Cap Figure
    $140.5 Million ALREADY 2013 Cap Committed

    $19.5 Million OVER Current 2013 Cap Figure...

    2013 EXPIRING CONTRACTS-
    *Whole List In VALUE Order Below

    UFA-
    1. TE Dustin Keller
    2. SS LaRon Landry
    3. LE Mike DeVito
    4. K Nick Folk*
    5. FB Lex Hilliard
    6. RB Shonn Greene*
    7. FS Yerimiaha Bell
    8. RG Brandon Moore
    9. LG Matt Slauson
    10. LOLB Bryan Thomas
    11. ROLB Aaron Maybin
    12. WR Chaz Schilens

    RFA-
    1. RT Austin Howard
    2. TE Jeff Cumberland
    3. LS Tanner Purdham
    4. ILB Josh Mauga

    ERFA-
    1. CB Isaiha Trufant

    12 UFA's, 4 RFA's, and 1 ERFA; 17 total free agents whom contracts are expiring. Based on the 53 man roster for 2012 all 17 players present pros and cons to being brought back, but all 17 players do or did have individual roles on this team though in 2012.

    2013 EXPECTED SALARY CAP REALEASES-
    Only 4 contracts are worth shedding but they are 4 that are worthy of makings the moves for the money it will save. A player like RT Jason Smith, or even SS Eric Smith could always be retained at a cheaper price for special teams and leadership.

    RT Jason Smith brings the biggest savings of the off-season with $12 Million dollars coming off the books clean with a zero cap hit when Smith gets the axe. If the FO liked what they saw in '12 he is young enough with a high enough cieling to be considered worth a roster spot in Wayne Hunter's old "swing" tackle role.

    ILB Bart Scott would save $5.5 Million off the cap. This is why I feel the talk of him getting released prior to this year was crazy. Waiting for 2013 saved us with $1.5 Million cap hit and a $7 Million savings. Demario Davis will be primed and ready by then.

    ROLB Calvin Pace represents a $5.5 Million savings by cutting the underwhelming OLB in 2013. A cap hit of $3 Million would be dead money, but it would come with a savings of $8.5 Million. The Outside Linebacker position will be hurting but will be a draft day fix for sure, right?

    SS Eric Smith would be a savings of $3 Million if the team would need to shave off a little more space for a big move. Smith can be cut with no cap hit whatsoever, and is just a must for the money saved much alike Jason Smith's deal above.

    TOTAL CAP SAVINGS ABOVE-
    $12 Million RT Jason Smith
    $5.5 Million ILB Bart Scott
    $5.5 Million OLB Calvin Pace
    $3 Million SS Eric Smith
    TOTAL-
    $26 Million Cap Room Made...

    TOTAL DEAD MONEY ABOVE-
    $3 Million OLB Calvin Pace
    $1.5 Million ILB Bart Scott
    $0 Million RT Jason Smith
    $0 Million SS Eric Smith
    TOTAL-
    $4.5 Million Dead Money Above...

    $19.5 Million OVER 2013 Cap
    +$26 Million Room MADE In Cuts

    $6.5 Million UNDER Cap Total...

    POSSIBLE 2013 CAP ROOM-
    - $4-$6 Million cap credit from the 2012 salary cap left over money. This number surely can fluxuate due to injuries in the season but if the roster is not tweaked with any type of sizeable contract $5 million is a number that is feasable.

    - CB Darrelle Revis getting "paid" as some would say would actually help the Jets. All hands on deck because it is time and maybe overdue for getting the long term deal both he, an the fans have been craving. The key to this negotiation is getting the deal that will lock him in for the long term and not just one that will get by. Revis getting that deal with the Jets cutting a sizeable chunck up front can give a little wiggle room cap wise in the form of $3-$5 Million.

    - C Nick Mangold can do the restructure that has almost become expected when "long term" deals are signed now. Mangold is not only the type of guy and player that would do this, but again to get this done Woody Johnson is cutting a nice check to turn salary into bonus and who turns down a multi million dollar check? Mangold could releive anywhere from $3-$5 Million much alike the Revis cap relief.*

    TOTAL CAP ROOM MADE-
    $5 Cap Rollover
    $4 Revis Contract
    $4 Mangold Restructure
    $13 Million Cap Room Made...

    $6.5 Million UNDER The Cap
    +$13 Million Cap Room MADE

    $19.5 Million TOTAL Cap Room
    -$5 Million 2013 Rookie Pool

    $14.5 Million TOTAL Cap Room To Work With...

    NYJ FA PROJECTED 2013 CONTRACTS-
    *Order In List Above

    Unrestricted Free Agents-
    1. TE Dustin Keller
    - 5 years $25 million $14 million guarenteed $5 million anually $4 million cap hit 2013

    2. SS LaRon Landry
    - 4 years $20 million $12 million guarenteed $5 million anually $4 million cap hit 2013*

    3. LE Mike DeVito
    - 2 years $5 million $3 million guarenteed $2.5 million anually $1.5 million cap hit 2013

    4. K Nick Folk
    - 2 years $5 million $3 million guarenteed $2.5 million anually $1.5 million cap hit 2013

    5. FB Lex Hilliard
    - 1 year $850K zero guarenteed $500K cap hit 2013

    6. RB Shonn Greene*
    - Allow To Test FA/Can't Afford

    7. FS Yerimiaha Bell
    - Allow To Test FA/Can't Afford

    8. RG Brandon Moore
    - Allow To Test FA/Declining '12
    *
    9. LG Matt Slauson
    - Said To Be Leaving/Paycut In '12

    10. LOLB Bryan Thomas
    - Allow To Test FA/Retire

    11. ROLB Aaron Maybin
    -Allow To Test FA/Dissapointment

    12. WR Chaz Schilens
    -Allow To Test FA/Dissapointment

    TOTAL- $11.5 Million Spent Above

    Restricted Free Agents-
    1. RT Austin Howard
    - Restricted Tender $750 K

    2. TE Jeff Cumberland
    - Restricted Tender $750 K

    3. LS Tanner Purdham
    - Restricted Tender $750 K

    4. ILB Josh Mauga
    - Allow To Test FA/2012 I.R.'ed

    TOTAL- $2.25 Million Spent Above

    Exclusive Rights Free Agents-
    1. CB Isaiha Trufant
    - Restricted Tender $500 K

    TOTAL- $500K Spent Above

    MONEY SPENT ABOVE-
    $11.5 UFA'S
    $2.25 RFA'S
    $500K ERFA'S

    $14.25 Million SPENT Above*
    $14.5 Million TOTAL Available

    $250K UNDER The Cap...
    (*2013 Rookie Pool INCLUDED)

    -8 2013 FA PROJECTED "LOSSES"-
    1. RB Shonn Greene
    2. FS Yerimiaha Bell
    3. RG Brandon Moore
    4. LG Matt Slauson
    5. LOLB Bryan Thomas
    6. WR Chaz Schilens
    7. ROLB Aaron Maybin
    8. ILB Josh Mauga

    12 TOTAL 2013 PROJECTED PLAYER *"LOSSES"-
    1. RB Shonn Greene
    2. FS Yerimiaha Bell
    3. RG Brandon Moore*
    4. LG Matt Slauson*
    5. ILB Bart Scott
    6. ROLB Calvin Pace
    7. LOLB Bryan Thomas
    8. WR Chaz Schilens*
    9. RT Jason Smith
    10. SS Eric Smith
    11. ROLB Aaron Maybin
    12. ILB Josh Mauga

    3 POTENTIAL COSTLY SALARY CUTS-
    *Only Feasible Players NOT Suggestions

    1. WR Santonio Holmes-
    Holmes would potentially be $11.25 million in dead money if released, yeilding only a $1.25 million dollar cap relief. This savings *would be nice with how pressing the salary cap situation is, but even though he looks like "addition by subtraction" can we afford to cut Santonio with a huge need for offensive playmakers?

    2. ILB David Harris-*
    Harris is a release I just could not see, having said that $9 million in *dead money hurts, but $4 million *saved is a free agent or two alone and with our cap situation it is discussable. David looks like he may have lost a step but even with the huge contract "Hitman" has to stay in the middle, right?

    3. NT Sione Pouha-
    Pouha represents a reasonable $2.3 million dead money hit, as well as offering the best value of the proposed players with $3.85 million saved. Sione signed this deal just last season but back issues are very tricky, let alone on a 325 lbs. man. Can Kenrick Ellis and or Damon Harrison fill these big shoes if need be?

    TOTAL CAP SAVINGS ABOVE-
    $1.25 Million WR Santonio Holmes
    $4 Million ILB David Harris
    $3.85 Million NT Sione Pouha
    TOTAL-
    $9.1 Million Cap Room POSSIBLY Made...

    TOTAL DEAD MONEY ABOVE-
    $11.25 Million WR Santonio Holmes
    $9 Million ILB David Harris
    $2.35 Million NT Sione Pouha
    TOTAL-
    $22.6 Million Dead Money POSSIBLY Above...

    2013 PROJECTED
    DEPTH CHART-
    (Pre 2013 NFL Draft)
    *denotes player backing up at multiple positions

    OFFENSE-
    QB- Mark Sanchez #6, Tim Tebow #15, Greg McElroy #14
    WCAT- *Tim Tebow #15, *Jeremy Kerley #11
    RB- Bilal Powell #29, Joe Mcknight #25
    FB- Lex Hilliard #36, Josh Baker #45
    WR- Santonio Holmes #10, Jeremy Kerley #11, Clyde Gates #19
    WR- Stephen Hill #85, Jordan White #17, Royce Pollard #18
    TE- Dustin Keller #81, Jeff Cumberland #86, Konrad Rueland #87, Hayden Smith #82, Dedrick Epps #83
    LT- D'Brickashaw Ferguson #60
    LG- Vladmir Ducasse #62
    C- Nick Mangold #74
    RG- Caleb Schladeraff #72 (C)
    RT- Austin Howard #77*
    TOTAL= 23

    DEFENSE-
    RE- Muhammad Wilkerson #96, Matt Hardison #61
    NT- Sione Pouha #91, Kenrick Ellis #93, Damon Harrison #71
    LE- Quinton Coples #98, Mike DeVito #70
    ROLB- Ricky Sapp #55
    ILB- David Harris #52, Nick Bellore #54
    ILB- Demario Davis #56, Marcus Dowtin #92
    LOLB- Garrett McItyre #50
    CB- Darrelle Revis #24, Aaron Berry #22, Isaiha Trufant #35
    FS- Josh Bush #32
    SS- LaRon Landry #30, Antonio Allen #39
    CB-Antonio Cromartie #31, Kyle Wilson #20, Ellis Lankster #26, Darrin Walls #29
    TOTAL= 23

    SPECIALS-
    K- Nick Folk #2
    P- Robert Malone #3
    LS- Tanner Purdham #46
    TOTAL= 3

    23 Offensive Players
    23 Defensive Players
    3 Special Teams Players

    49 Total Players Above
    *Pre-Draft Picks

    90 TOTAL Players Allowed By NFL Rule...

    PROJECTED DEPTH CHART BREAKDOWN-
    QB-3
    RB-2
    FB-2
    WR-6
    TE-5
    OL-5
    TOTAL- 23

    DL-7
    LB-6
    CB-7
    S-3
    TOTAL-23
    ST- 3

    ROSTER TOTAL-49

    2013 NFL DRAFT TOP 10 PROJECTED NEEDS-

    1. RG
    1A. ROLB
    3. RB*
    4. FS
    5. LOLB
    6. WR
    7. RT
    8. RE
    9. LT
    10. LG
    Damm, that was a lot of work.

    However the new CBA has the RFA tag at 1.2mill, 1.8 if you want comp.

    Revis salary is only 3 mill next year, but has a roster bonus of 3 mill also, so
    I can't see how you can cut 4 mill savings from 6 mill in 2013 comp, as you have to amortize the % of new bonus into 2013

    You make no allowanace for the 6 mill that you will need to alloacate to the 2013 rookie class.

    You don't account for the 1.7mill of incentives that Landry earns this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Jet Fan View Post
    Lets start with names

    Jonathan Joseph
    Charles Woodson
    ladarius Webb
    Charles Tillman
    Richard Sherman
    Champ Bailey
    Tim Jennings
    Cary Williams


    Now Stats

    Cromartie 19 tackles 3 Int 0 Forced Fumbles
    Cary Williams 48 tackles 4 Int 1 Forced Fumble
    Tim Jennings 38 tackles 5 int 3 Forced Fumbles
    Charles Tillman 43 tackles 2 int 7 Forced Fumbles
    Richard Sherman 34 tackles 4int 3 Forced Fumbles

    The list keeps going, my point is Cromartie is a real good cornerback but by no means is he the 2nd best in the NFL.

    Cheers!!


    So if you let your WR catch the ball a bunch of times then tackle him, that makes you a better corner?

    Cro has been absolutely incredible since Revis went out, lights out in coverage, way less penalties than the past, and much better in run support. I watch a lot of football but I'm not gonna sit here and say I analyze corners so Cro may not be THE best out there right now. But he's gotta be close.

    And if some advanced stats come in and show that those other guys shut down WRs a lot better, then fine. But tackles and INTs is not gonna get it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Jet Fan View Post
    Yeah I agree with you, but in this case I felt it was necessary for people to see that while Cro has been defending well he does not tackle well and does not create the turnovers that alot of the elite cornerbacks do.
    Stats dont tell it all though, he is being targeted less than some on your list. I mean who would you would target, Cro or Wilson?

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    This cap situation is bad. It almost reminds me of when the Knicks were in perpetual cap hell but not good at all even still. The one plus in the NFL is rebuilding can happen quickly with the amount of parity.

    Unfortunately, I think this season (probably bc of the cap situation) we got stuck in a holding pattern. We kept most of the same cast of characters that underperformed last year and our weak depth has really shown through as a result of injuries.

    I'm honestly getting tired of using so many early picks on defense. Probably wouldn't be as frustrated if they were hits but with how horrendous this offense consistently is we keep ignoring it.

    In the past 11 drafts, back to 2002, we've taken four offensive skill players in the first two rounds of the draft, Kellen Clemens (2nd), Mark Sanchez (1st), Dustin Keller (1st), Stephen Hill (1st). If you expand that to the first three rounds, it's still just seven players, adding Chris Baker, B.J. Askew and Shonn Greene, all third round picks. That's ELEVEN years of drafting. Not one Pro Bowl-caliber player from those first round picks. Half are busts or verging on it.

    Now in 2006, the Jets did take Mangold and Ferguson first round, which was huge. But you wonder why this offense has so little talent right now? Because we are not investing in it!

    Of course, early round draft picks can be busts and late round picks can turn out to be successes. Maybe it's the talent evaluation that falters but the Jets are not finding the 'star' steals. They've found tough and scrappy players, like Cotchery and Leon Washington in the 4th round, even Kerley more recently who I like a lot as a slot guy.

    So I know the defense is slow and old in places but the offense is just an absolute disaster. I don't want to see another pass rusher who's supposed to be the 'next Terrell Suggs' but can't get on the field be our first round pick. Let's try finding that in the 4th round instead of swinging and missing on skill players over and over later in the draft.

    We have at least 6 picks (depending on the conditional pick for Otah). I understand drafting BPA but I want to see offense be a priority whether it means trading down and picking up more picks to do it. We need depth and some quality young offensive talent, a RB and another passing option whether it be a TE or WR. Hill was a start this year - he has potential - but we need much more to revitalize this offense.
    Last edited by BlueDevilJet29; 11-12-2012 at 09:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisc8585 View Post
    So if you let your WR catch the ball a bunch of times then tackle him, that makes you a better corner?

    Cro has been absolutely incredible since Revis went out, lights out in coverage, way less penalties than the past, and much better in run support. I watch a lot of football but I'm not gonna sit here and say I analyze corners so Cro may not be THE best out there right now. But he's gotta be close.

    And if some advanced stats come in and show that those other guys shut down WRs a lot better, then fine. But tackles and INTs is not gonna get it done.
    I understand your position, all I am saying is that Cro is not the 2nd best corner in the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYJ37/12 View Post
    Players gone

    Moore
    Howard
    Slauson
    Pace
    Thomas
    Bell
    Scott
    Hilliard
    Greene
    Keller

    These are guys with their contract up or cap # too high.
    Jets will re-sign Moore and Hilliard and Slauson's already been splitting reps with Ducasse.

    Scott and Pace, although many would like to seem them get released, are not givens, and don't forget about the daunting task of re-signing LaRon Landry. Will we be able to afford giving him a four/five-year, $30-40 million contract? I'm not too sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sexi Rexi View Post
    Stats dont tell it all though, he is being targeted less than some on your list. I mean who would you would target, Cro or Wilson?
    Of course you would target Wilson, but thats not the point. The original point was that Cro was teh 2nd best corner in the NFL. Its just not true.

    With all the time he has been on the field this year he has 0 forced fumbles, less interceptions and less tackles then the best CBs in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiseryLovesCompany99 View Post
    NOW THIS IS MY TYPE OF THREAD...
    ..
    No sh*t, you pretty much just owned this thread. Nice work too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Jet Fan View Post
    Of course you would target Wilson, but thats not the point. The original point was that Cro was teh 2nd best corner in the NFL. Its just not true.

    With all the time he has been on the field this year he has 0 forced fumbles, less interceptions and less tackles then the best CBs in the game.
    And 2 of those three categories mean absolutely nothing when analyzing a CB.

    I mean when did we start looking at corners like they were ILBs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mogglez View Post
    And 2 of those three categories mean absolutely nothing when analyzing a CB.

    I mean when did we start looking at corners like they were ILBs.
    Tackles, Forced Fumbles mean nothing?

    I guess you come from the Jets Scouting Department. My Bad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Jet Fan View Post
    Tackles, Forced Fumbles mean nothing?

    I guess you come from the Jets Scouting Department. My Bad!
    No actually, they don't. Go look at Revis's numbers in those departments an you won't find anything that special. What determines the talent of a corner is how well they shut down their target. Since Revis has gone down Cro has been an absolute monster. From what I've seen and what the proper numbers will likely tell you, he has definitely made a case that he might be the second best CB in football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 124 View Post
    Jets will re-sign Moore and Hilliard and Slauson's already been splitting reps with Ducasse.

    Scott and Pace, although many would like to seem them get released, are not givens, and don't forget about the daunting task of re-signing LaRon Landry. Will we be able to afford giving him a four/five-year, $30-40 million contract? I'm not too sure.
    Landry is not worth that much on the open market. He has been great for us but over 5 mil a year for a S is high end. Given his history not sure he gets more then that. The franchise # on a S is only about 6. If he wants that kind of deal might as well just tag him one year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mogglez View Post
    No actually, they don't. Go look at Revis's numbers in those departments an you won't find anything that special. What determines the talent of a corner is how well they shut down their target. Since Revis has gone down Cro has been an absolute monster. From what I've seen and what the proper numbers will likely tell you, he has definitely made a case that he might be the second best CB in football.
    Now that is your opiniom and I respect that.

    I have watched Cro for years and this year he is playing like a beast.

    He still bites on fakes way to many times and during the Seattle game bit on the end around pass and got lucky he wasnt beat deep earlier as he bit again but the ball was underthrown.

    I not hear to argue that Cro is not good or even playing very well this year, all Im saying in my opinion he is not the 2nd best CB in the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Jet Fan View Post
    Now that is your opiniom and I respect that.

    I have watched Cro for years and this year he is playing like a beast.

    He still bites on fakes way to many times and during the Seattle game bit on the end around pass and got lucky he wasnt beat deep earlier as he bit again but the ball was underthrown.

    I not hear to argue that Cro is not good or even playing very well this year, all Im saying in my opinion he is not the 2nd best CB in the NFL.
    Ok then now I got ya. I could kinda see your point then. His past play can't be ignored because its been anywhere from good to great. My point is really that THIS YEAR Cro has been lights out and consistent. The NFL is a what have you done lately sport, if he keeps playing like this it's gonna be hard to argue that there are many better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMarsico9 View Post
    You are nuts if you think Woody isn't going to demand Tebow get a shot at starting.

    Sanchez will likely be benched THIS YEAR. As many pointed out at the beginning of the season.
    No you are nuts to think Rex will ever bench his lover boy Sanchez. In fact I believe he will proclaim him the starter for next season at the final presser of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamers View Post
    Landry is not worth that much on the open market. He has been great for us but over 5 mil a year for a S is high end. Given his history not sure he gets more then that. The franchise # on a S is only about 6. If he wants that kind of deal might as well just tag him one year.
    I think the contract he signed precluded the jets from tagging him. This contract was a mulligan.But your right in that nobody will give him that deal.

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    I LOVE Landry. I want him a jet for life

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