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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    Obamacare addresses the need for more primary care physicians directly.

    http://azstarnet.com/business/local/...92339d7c7.html



    He wasn't spinning he has a very good understanding of the issue.
    Just wait until Joe Medicaid tries to see a specialist for his heart condition, but his medical home says he can't. But that is a whole other issue for another thread.

    What about the physicians retiring early because of this legislation? Those losses are not accounted for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernie View Post
    Just wait until Joe Medicaid tries to see a specialist for his heart condition, but his medical home says he can't. But that is a whole other issue for another thread.

    What about the physicians retiring early because of this legislation? Those losses are not accounted for.
    I have said it a thousand times Obamacare is an obomination. However that doesn't justify the do nothing Republican approach for our failing health care system before Obama took office.

    The country can't afford the kind of health care most people would like for themselves and their families. We are going to get less of it going forward. At least Obamacare tries to ration it so more people get some of it rather then some people getting all of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    I have said it a thousand times Obamacare is an obomination. However that doesn't justify the do nothing Republican approach for our failing health care system before Obama took office.

    The country can't afford the kind of health care most people would like for themselves and their families. We are going to get less of it going forward. At least Obamacare tries to ration it so more people get some of it rather then some people getting all of it.
    The massive expense of the plan is what concerns me. Plus the fact that tort reform was not even mentioned. But bottom line, those who are already paying will pay more, those who are already taking will get more. I am all for charity, but not with the Government as the donor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    Obamacare addresses the need for more primary care physicians directly.

    http://azstarnet.com/business/local/...92339d7c7.html



    He wasn't spinning he has a very good understanding of the issue.
    Nope.

    It's spin to continuously deny that the bill is not a factor. No action would have had less impact.

    And these attempts to push for more primary care doctors are only an attempt to offset other factors that create less incentive to become one as a result of the bill. Again, facts that are left out of the discussion for a purpose. By the way, those attempts will fall short. Way short, as multiple studies have shown.

    Intelligent people look at topics such as these and list out and then weigh the pros and cons. What we're watching here is partisan hacks who only want to list the pros, then pretend that no cons exist. And then when one or two of them is pointed out, all we get is wharglebargle.

    It's tiring. Anyway you try to deny or spin it, it is indeed gasoline on a fire, and a factor to consider. Pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernie View Post
    Just wait until Joe Medicaid tries to see a specialist for his heart condition, but his medical home says he can't. But that is a whole other issue for another thread.

    What about the physicians retiring early because of this legislation? Those losses are not accounted for.
    Does everyone with a heart condition need to see a specialist?
    Thats part of the problem in this country. You dont need a cardiologist to manage high cholesterol and hypertension, you dont need a hematologist to manage anemia and you dont need a gastroenenterologist to manage heartburn. Yet in this country, referals to specialists to deal with routine medical problems that could and should be managed by a primary care physician are rampent. Its ridiculous and wasteful.

    Unfortunately Obamacare does not deal with this and many other issues that are causing our healthcare costs to spiral out of control. And dont get me started on end of life care which in this country is an abomination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetPotato View Post
    Nope.

    It's spin to continuously deny that the bill is not a factor.
    Please show me where I or the authors of the study made that statement.
    What the study shows is that it is a factor, though considerably less than what you are trying to make it out to be.

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    The real problem is fat people. All of you fat people are making people not want to be your doctors. No one wants to be a fat person's doctor. You're all dragging the country down, fat doesn't float in the metaphorical water of life!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetPotato View Post
    Nope.

    It's spin to continuously deny that the bill is not a factor. No action would have had less impact.

    And these attempts to push for more primary care doctors are only an attempt to offset other factors that create less incentive to become one as a result of the bill. Again, facts that are left out of the discussion for a purpose. By the way, those attempts will fall short. Way short, as multiple studies have shown.

    Intelligent people look at topics such as these and list out and then weigh the pros and cons. What we're watching here is partisan hacks who only want to list the pros, then pretend that no cons exist. And then when one or two of them is pointed out, all we get is wharglebargle.

    It's tiring. Anyway you try to deny or spin it, it is indeed gasoline on a fire, and a factor to consider. Pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it true.
    What's tiring is your absolute nonesens response. The same people who are attacking this crappy legislation had zero answers for the coming primary care problem other then to support nothing.

    The system was in a slow motion fail before Obamacare. Obamacare addresses some of the problems and creates other issues. This isn't one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetPotato View Post
    So, again, by this logic, you'd be fine with increasing future emissions because the problem is already established.
    Who said anybody would be "fine" with either scenario?

    There are plenty of things that are terrible with Obamacare. Assigning primary blame to it for a problem which already existed and expands way beyond its scope is counterproductive and disingenuous.

    The spin in this Newsmax article is complete trash.

    Again, this is a worldwide societal problem. There simply aren't enough people going into the field of medicine to keep up with the population growth. This is a fact with or without Obamacare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennyo7 View Post
    Does everyone with a heart condition need to see a specialist?
    Thats part of the problem in this country. You dont need a cardiologist to manage high cholesterol and hypertension, you dont need a hematologist to manage anemia and you dont need a gastroenenterologist to manage heartburn. Yet in this country, referals to specialists to deal with routine medical problems that could and should be managed by a primary care physician are rampent. Its ridiculous and wasteful.

    Unfortunately Obamacare does not deal with this and many other issues that are causing our healthcare costs to spiral out of control. And dont get me started on end of life care which in this country is an abomination.
    What about tort reform that is not addressed (because the American Bar Association is in the pocket of the Dems?)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by parafly View Post
    Who said anybody would be "fine" with either scenario?

    There are plenty of things that are terrible with Obamacare. Assigning primary blame to it for a problem which already existed and expands way beyond its scope is counterproductive and disingenuous.

    The spin in this Newsmax article is complete trash.

    Again, this is a worldwide societal problem. There simply aren't enough people going into the field of medicine to keep up with the population growth. This is a fact with or without Obamacare.
    Obamacare is part of the problem why people are not going into medicine or leaving it when already in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernie View Post
    Obamacare is part of the problem why people are not going into medicine or leaving it when already in.
    I find this sentiment hard to believe. Do you have any data to back it up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernie View Post
    It is a US and Obamacare problem. Many physicians will leave the field prematurely because of it. Who will see all of these patients?
    COMMON ERNIE - This is a personal responsibility issue.





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    Hey, WCO - what about all those "white people" that were expecting jobs, before the other guy won and gave everything to his voters...why can't they see the writing on the wall and go get medical degrees? Or a Nurse Practitioner career?

    Beats me, WCO. I guess white people would rather wait for Investment Bankerclaus.








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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    What's tiring is your absolute nonesens response. The same people who are attacking this crappy legislation had zero answers for the coming primary care problem other then to support nothing.

    The system was in a slow motion fail before Obamacare. Obamacare addresses some of the problems and creates other issues. This isn't one of them.
    excellent post.

    A very honest and fair assessment of a complicated issue.
    Last edited by intelligentjetsfan; 11-14-2012 at 05:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parafly View Post
    Who said anybody would be "fine" with either scenario?

    There are plenty of things that are terrible with Obamacare. Assigning primary blame to it for a problem which already existed and expands way beyond its scope is counterproductive and disingenuous.

    The spin in this Newsmax article is complete trash.

    Again, this is a worldwide societal problem. There simply aren't enough people going into the field of medicine to keep up with the population growth. This is a fact with or without Obamacare.
    Newsmax as a source. Next it will be the New York Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernie View Post
    What about tort reform that is not addressed (because the American Bar Association is in the pocket of the Dems?)?
    As a physician I have a selfish reason to want to push tort reform. But the reality is tort reform has a very small effect if any on the nations health care costs. This has been studied extensively with the best studies coming from the Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy and Clinical practice. I advise you to take a look at their studies, start with the Dartmouth Atlas of Health Care.

    Additionally, when you look at the states with tort reform enacted, ie. Texas, where costs were not reduced.

    If you are serious about reducing Health Care Costs then we need to look at cutting out wateful medical practices. I would start with end of life care where we spend 40% of Medicare dollars on a persons last month of life.

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Ernie View Post
    Obamacare is part of the problem why people are not going into medicine or leaving it when already in.
    Can you back this statement up with data? Or did you just pull this out of the sky?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennyo7 View Post
    Can you back this statement up with data? Or did you just pull this out of the sky?
    I have a link somewhere in this swirling threadbowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HessStation View Post
    I have a link somewhere in this swirling threadbowl.
    Yeah, exactly

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