While drafting high is always better there are just as many high impact players found at 11-30 as their are 1-10.
Play to win and cheer for your team. This idea that we should hope for losses with a 4-6 where 9 wins gets in the playoffs is absurd.
And to get that elite QB, most of the time you have to suck for a year or two.
Look at the teams around the league who consistently contend for the Superbowl. The Pats, the Steelers, the Giants, the Saints, the Colts during the Manning days...they all have elite QB's.
Throughout history it is the exact same way. Why in the hell would anyone want to mimick the 2000 Ravens or the 2002 Bucs? They were flashes in the pan who needed everything to come together perfectly.
You need an elite QB to contend year after year in this league.
You think Colts or Skins fans are crying over terrible seasons last year? Hell no. They're set up for the next 10+ years because of it.
Last edited by Untouchable; 11-19-2012 at 05:49 PM.
But...By almost all accounts there is NOT a blue chip prospect QB in this years draft and even with the number 1 pick it's unlikely we would select a QB...
So let's play to win.
Washington didnt tank their season, and they still had to trade a ton of picks to get where they are. The Colts sucked period. They didnt have to tank the season, they had the worst HC in the league and Curtis Painter at QB.
There is being bad and then there is intentionally losing games for draft picks.
Truth is, I said after last season that I very much wanted to see Sanchez succeed. I didn't want the team to have to go through growing pains with a young QB all over again. But I was on board with seeing it through. Besides, as I said already the cost of cutting him would have been prohibitive as I recall even before Tanny committed to the extension.
My feeling is, if you truly love your team, be truthful about it. Don't lie to yourself. That way you know what you're looking at season in and out.
Okay....since Untouchable has decided to pretend I don't exist, let me pose this question to anyone who can answer :
"Do you honestly believe that even if the Jets had a Top-10 pick, you think that with the bumbling IDIOTS we have in the Front-Office, they would choose WISELY? "
If this team finishes 4-12 or 5-11, things will get shaken up, no question.
Rex may be back and Sanchez may be back, but you can bet your ass that the glorified accountant we have masquerading as a GM will be shown the door.
And maybe the new GM brings in a new coach. Or he at least brings in a solid veteran QB or drafts a young gun and makes it be known that Sanchez won't once again be handed the starting job on a silver platter just because of his contract situation.
It's not about being a "same old Jets fan" or being "fair weather". It's about realizing that drastic changes need to be made for this team to move forward.
Who wants to witness another year of this sh*t? Getting ourselves amped up all offseason just to witness the same damn thing next year. Once again duping ourselves into believing that Sanchez only needs another receiver or two to transform into the player we drafted him to be?
Who wants to witness another year of Sparano's inept offense?
8-8 or 9-7 assures that will happen.
No playoffs. No postseason glory. Just mediocre enough to ensure that we tread water for at least another year.
Open question to all the fans that support a "tank the season" approach - how do you think it would actaully work???
Do you believe that the GM / coaches / players care more about us as fans than they do about their own careers? Would Rexy stand up in front of the locker room of players and say "Hey guys, let's lose this game, and the next one and the next one, so that most of us get fired / cut at season's end and probably never get a chance to coach / play again, because the fans out there deserve better than us"?
It simply doesn't / won't ever happen, IMHO. So doesn't that make the whole discussion pointless?
Basically it comes down to this: Are you happy with 7-9 win seasons and Wild Card appearances, or do you want to see this team win a Super Bowl?
Choice is yours.
(Que the "Giants have won it as a Wild Card" responses -- show me our consistent pass rush and our Eli Manning, please)
I'm one of those who would rather see 5-11, 6-10 than 8-8. However, if by some crazy nature we pull off a win on Thursday night, my attitude will change because at 5-6, we're back in the Wild Card race. At 4-7 though, we're all but done and I'll be hoping for loses.
Who said anything about tanking?
Do I want the Jets to intentionally throw games? No.
I'm simply saying that it's in our best interest longterm if we play the way we did against Miami and Seattle over the next 5-6 weeks.
If you think retaining guys like Sanchez, Sparano and Tannenbaum for another year is a smart move, then by all means, lets go ahead and win a couple more meaningless games and still be left out of the playoff picture regardless.
If the Jets truly suck, they'll end up with a top 10 pick. But they don't enough to lose to even worse teams like the Rams. Not much you can do as a fan, except sit back and enjoy and hope they make the playoffs and if not hope they make changes regardless of their progress by the end of the season.
I don't see it. I don't see it at all. Sorry.
If we're going to miss the playoffs anyway, then I'd rather do it at 5-11 or 6-10 to ensure that we'll pick in the Top 10 of the draft and increase the odds that major changes are made.
All 7-9 or 8-8 does is ensure that we have to witness the same old song and dance again next year. Sanchez will be back, Sparano will be back, Tannenbaum will be back and Rex will be back.
So "the team should fold" is a fantasy. They may lose, but professional NFL teams do not "fold" for draft picks, and certainly not with 6 games to go.
I disagree. Woody will still own, Tanny and Rex will get one (last year) almost certainly, and Sanchez will not be benched nor moved for 2013, he is the starter.If this team finishes 4-12 or 5-11, things will get shaken up, no question.
So the big fan-fantasy of "a shakeup" that fixes everything is just that, a fantasy.
I wouldn't bet YOUR ass, much less my ass, on that being such a sure thing.Rex may be back and Sanchez may be back, but you can bet your ass that the glorified accountant we have masquerading as a GM will be shown the door.
Maybe, maybe, maybe. And "maybe" none of that will happen, he'll bring in the next Kotite, who will bring in the next Boomer Esiason, and proceed to go 2-14 then 1-15 then 3-13 before being fired in 2017.And maybe the new GM brings in a new coach. Or he at least brings in a solid veteran QB or drafts a young gun and makes it be known that Sanchez won't once again be handed the starting job on a silver platter just because of his contract situation.
It's important to not be projectionist or fantasy-based on this stuff. Just because you WANT these changes to happen does not makle them a sure-thing success in any form, nor does moving the old guys mean they could not succeed if given another year or more.