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    Do you people know football? He was stopped short on fourth down. That basically is a turnover in itself. His only hope was trying to extend the ball and maybe get lucky with a good spot. He had nothing to lose by extending it and actually gained 7 yards in field position.

    Blame the play call and the lack of a surge by the OLine. Nothing on that play was Greene's fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queens Jet Fan View Post
    Do you people know football? He was stopped short on fourth down. That basically is a turnover in itself. His only hope was trying to extend the ball and maybe get lucky with a good spot. He had nothing to lose by extending it and actually gained 7 yards in field position.

    Blame the play call and the lack of a surge by the OLine. Nothing on that play was Greene's fault.
    It's not the goal line. Greene's decision to put the ball out to be swatted was idiotic and emblematic of a player who truly "does not understand football". Greene is a f**king moron on that play.

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    Greene's play was the start of it all. Most of us are just begging for a simple QB sneak but they have to give it to Greene to be stuffed again and then the idiot makes it worse by sticking out the ball in the middle of the field, one of the dumbest plays I've ever seen, a play a professional should know better not to do...

    Thanks Greene, you bum and thanks Rex and Tannenbaum for not signing a back that actually has some talent this past off season


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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFanTX View Post
    I think Mr. Wilfork had something to say about that last night.

    He completely dominated the middle of the LOS last night.

    Jets should have run off-tackle on that 4th down play, not right at Wilfork.
    It wasn't designed to go up the middle. Stop the linked video at the 24-second mark. Greene is right behind fullback Lex Hilliard. He has a choice to go either left, into the scrum, where he has no chance of making the gain, or right, where he has three blockers on three defenders, spread out, with a very good chance of making the first down. Instead he just plows into Hilliard.

    http://www.patriots.com/media-center...a-376bd2659643
    Last edited by BroadwayRay; 11-23-2012 at 11:13 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohegangreen View Post
    Greene's play was the start of it all. Most of us are just begging for a simple QB sneak but they have to give it to Greene to be stuffed again and then the idiot makes it worse by sticking out the ball in the middle of the field, one of the dumbest plays I've ever seen, a play a professional should know better not to do...

    Thanks Greene, you bum and thanks Rex and Tannenbaum for not signing a back that actually has some talent this past off season

    Whether it's Shoddy or Specs, that play is never good enough for our team. But New England? There's Brady quick snapping sneaks for the necessary yardage.

    SOJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borgoguy View Post
    Whether it's Shoddy or Specs, that play is never good enough for our team. But New England? There's Brady quick snapping sneaks for the necessary yardage.

    SOJ.
    Common sense never seems to be a gift of our play callers for the past 10+ years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohegangreen View Post
    Common sense never seems to be a gift of our play callers for the past 10+ years...
    You know Shoddy would have called a double reverse at fourth and one. Meanwhile, all of us at home are screaming for Mark to quick snap and just follow Mangold for the first down. Face it, folks, Sparano is another in a long line of Jet coaching jokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroadwayRay View Post
    It wasn't designed to go up the middle. Stop the linked video at the 24-second mark. Greene is right behind fullback Lex Hilliard. He has a choice to go either left, into the scrum, where he has no chance of making the gain, or right, where he has three blockers on three defenders, spread out, with a very good chance of making the first down. Instead he just plows into Hilliard.

    http://www.patriots.com/media-center...a-376bd2659643
    Like Sanchez, Greene determined where he was going with the ball before the ball was even snapped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroadwayRay View Post
    It wasn't designed to go up the middle. Stop the linked video at the 24-second mark. Greene is right behind fullback Lex Hilliard. He has a choice to go either left, into the scrum, where he has no chance of making the gain, or right, where he has three blockers on three defenders, spread out, with a very good chance of making the first down. Instead he just plows into Hilliard.

    http://www.patriots.com/media-center...a-376bd2659643
    The first down was there. Can only blame that on Greene.

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    Greene sucks.
    Complete lack of vision, speed, or toughness.
    He's not just a JAG, he's a VAG.


    BUT, that play was lost by the coaches.
    If you're going to go for it, you sprint to the line and sneak it up the middle before the d is ready.
    Just like the Pats do every game.
    You don't spend 20 seconds thinking about it, huddle up, and run it up the gut with the entire defense ready.


    Yes, the play was blocked well and our VAG RB blew it, but he shouldn't been in the situation to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borgoguy View Post
    Guy is a friggin' madman. He's still playing at such a high level. It's what we all hoped Kris Jenkins would have given our team.
    Jenkins, when healthy, was a better player than Wilfork.

    And disagree with you on Powell. Powell can run, catch, block, and has pretty good speed/power. He's a good, solid all around player that you need on a 53 man roster.

    On the other hand, guys like Greene and McKnight are very limited as RBs. Greene is slow, has no instincts, and can't catch. McKnight can't block and fumbles too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detectivekimble View Post
    Jenkins, when healthy, was a better player than Wilfork.

    Put down the crack pipe.

    There has not been a better, more consistent, NT than Vince Wilfork over the last 8 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFanTX View Post
    Put down the crack pipe.

    There has not been a better, more consistent, NT than Vince Wilfork over the last 8 years.
    Wilfork is good. Jenkins was downright dominant when he was healthy. Jenkins would throw grown men around like rag dolls. I've never seen Wilfork do that.

    In case you need a reminder, go watch the Jets-Pats OT game from 2008, where Jenkins completely destroyed your Oline.
    Last edited by detectivekimble; 11-23-2012 at 01:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detectivekimble View Post
    Wilfork is good. Jenkins was downright dominant when he was healthy. Jenkins would throw grown men around like rag dolls. I've never seen Wilfork do that.

    Did you miss the play last night when Wilfork was double-teamed and still shoved Moore into the backfield and then Sanchez bounced off his ass?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFanTX View Post
    I think Mr. Wilfork had something to say about that last night.

    He completely dominated the middle of the LOS last night.

    Jets should have run off-tackle on that 4th down play, not right at Wilfork.
    Yup, Jets think they are a smashmouth football team but they have a RB that can never break a tackle or push the pile forward. Both runs up the middle on 4th downs were pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queens Jet Fan View Post
    Do you people know football? He was stopped short on fourth down. That basically is a turnover in itself. His only hope was trying to extend the ball and maybe get lucky with a good spot. He had nothing to lose by extending it and actually gained 7 yards in field position.

    Blame the play call and the lack of a surge by the OLine. Nothing on that play was Greene's fault.
    Greene has zero vision, never breaks a tackle, never cuts to an open hole, he just runs straight ahead, if there is a hole great, if not he just hits a body and falls to ground.

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    When he was healthy, Jenkins was better than Wilfork. But Wilfork proved to be much more durable and he deserves a ton of credit for that. What is scary about Wilfork is that he seems to be getting better with age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFanTX View Post
    Put down the crack pipe.

    There has not been a better, more consistent, NT than Vince Wilfork over the last 8 years.
    Haloti Ngata
    Geno Atkins
    Kevin Williams

    All in a league above.

    Now get lost. This thread is about Greene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe W. Namath View Post
    Powell is a much better runningback but they start greene. Tebow is a much better qb but they start sanchez.

    The coaches will have no one to blame when they are fired immediately after the season.
    INCORRECT

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    Quote Originally Posted by detectivekimble View Post
    Wilfork is good. Jenkins was downright dominant when he was healthy. Jenkins would throw grown men around like rag dolls. I've never seen Wilfork do that.

    In case you need a reminder, go watch the Jets-Pats OT game from 2008, where Jenkins completely destroyed your Oline.
    Yep pretty much this.

    Wilfork is an excellent Pro-Bowl caliber DT but when healthy Jenkins was hands down a better player. Jenkins was a freak. It's like comparing Cromartie to Revis, a Pro-Bowl talent to a Hall of Fame talent.

    Jenkins was not only dominant against the run but how many 3-4 DT's are a team's best pass rusher and require an automatic double team on passing downs?

    Whether it was 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 10 offense lines had to account for Jenkins.

    Jenkins play for the first 3/4 of the 2008 season was nearly as impressive as Revis' 2009 season.

    If he stayed healthy throughout his career (obviously he came nowhere close to doing so) he'd probably be in Canton and there is a decent chance the AFC championship losses would have had different outcomes.

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