Page 1 of 5 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 98

Thread: Bloated contracts, lack of discipline dim Jets' offseason prospects

  1. #1

    Bloated contracts, lack of discipline dim Jets' offseason prospects

    By Jason La Canfora | CBS Sports NFL Insider

    November 25, 2012 12:18 pm ET

    The Jets (4-7) are on the brink of another lost season following another lopsided defeat Thursday night. They're in a predicament that several players who have been in that locker room in recent years attribute to an overall lack of discipline -- plus a sense of entitlement furthered by contracts loaded with guarantees and specific language that in essence binds players to the team regardless of how they act and how poorly they perform.

    Coming off a 49-19 defeat at home to New England on Thanksgiving, questions continue to swirl about the future of coach Rex Ryan and general manager Mike Tannenbaum, and several NFL executives who have surveyed the Jets' 2013 salary-cap situation, contractual obligations and locker-room culture believe it will be difficult for any new coach or general manager to quickly turn the team around if there is a new regime in place this offseason.

    Guys love playing for Ryan, according to several players with the Jets in recent years. Still, they maintain there is not sufficient discipline and deterrents in place throughout the organization to eliminate the kind of chemistry and inter-personnel problems that have plagued the team the past two years. And players are further empowered and emboldened, the former Jets said, by a roster short on talent and depth to push for starting spots as well as a bevy of recent contracts that, in the cases of a malcontent like Santonio Holmes or a slumping veteran like Mark Sanchez, preclude the team from cutting them.

    Holmes is due $7.5 million guaranteed in 2013, for skill, cap and injury. That means that if the Jets part with him, he is still owed that money (Holmes had similar language in his deal for 2012, which prevented the Jets from being able to cut him after his meltdowns led to their rapid descent down the stretch). Sanchez is due $8.25 million fully guaranteed in 2013 (and then makes another $500,000 in workout bonuses from being on the roster). Furthermore, according to sources with knowledge of the contract, there are no offsets in the contracts -- so the player, if released, could earn a full salary from the next team that signed him -- and the contract language dictates that if they are released, they must be paid the full amount they are owed within 30 days. In many cases there is offset language in such contracts and guaranteed payments can be spread out over a much more lengthy period of time.

    Also, the Jets owe corner Antonio Cromartie $4.75 million guaranteed in 2013, David Harris has $9.5 million of his $10.9 million salary guaranteed. Sources who have studied their contract situation expect Bart Scott and Calvin Pace to be among those not back next season, regardless of who is making decisions there, but the restrictive contract language will limit other options. The Jets project to be over $20 million over the 2013 cap, sources said.

    And, in what could be the biggest issue for the team in the offseason, their best player, corner Darrelle Revis, will be coming off of season-ending ACL surgery and seeking a contract extension, as his previous deal was constructed with an eye toward re-negotiating in 2013. With ACL injuries becoming less significant to overcome these days (see Adrian Peterson), don't expect the injury to deter the demand for a new contract with the top defensive players in the NFL earning $15 million a season or more since Revis signed his deal in 2010. Revis is set to earn just $3 million in base salary and $3 million in bonuses in 2013.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ja...s-future-hopes
    Last edited by C Mart; 11-25-2012 at 01:50 PM.

  2. #2
    this team is screwed. i can't believe we are stuck with Sanchez another year. They gave him an extra year so he wouldn't feel bad that they pursued Peyton Manning? dumbest crap i've ever heard.

  3. #3
    All League
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    cape coral fl.
    Posts
    2,693
    Quote Originally Posted by JetsCrazey View Post
    this team is screwed. i can't believe we are stuck with Sanchez another year. They gave him an extra year so he wouldn't feel bad that they pursued Peyton Manning? dumbest crap i've ever heard.
    In my hood we call this a ***** move.....

  4. #4
    He neglected to mention that both Scott and Pace are coming off the books which will free cap space.

  5. #5
    Agents are starting to get the best of Tanny with these contacts... That is another reason we need to get a new GM... I can't see a way in which we get a fair deal with Revis if Tanny is going to negotiate it. Tanny really just wound up paying Revis more money with two years left on his contract and kicked down the road making sure he is a Jet for life.

    Funny thing is I am just not enamored with anyone out there. There are few if any proven commodities to run our front office and to coach our team moving forward.

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Eckesg1 View Post
    He neglected to mention that both Scott and Pace are coming off the books which will free cap space.
    "Sources who have studied their contract situation expect Bart Scott and Calvin Pace to be among those not back next season"

    It was mentioned and the situation still sucks.

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Conkboy View Post

    Funny thing is I am just not enamored with anyone out there. There are few if any proven commodities to run our front office and to coach our team moving forward.
    I'd rather an unknown as opposed to a known failure in tanny.

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanMadman View Post
    I'd rather an unknown as opposed to a known failure in tanny.
    agreed new blood someone who wont allow agents to bend them over. tanny must go!

  9. #9
    All League
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    cape coral fl.
    Posts
    2,693
    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanMadman View Post
    I'd rather an unknown as opposed to a known failure in tanny.
    Hells yea.

    Start by making some calls to the packers/steelers/giants/saints

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanMadman View Post
    I'd rather an unknown as opposed to a known failure in tanny.
    Agreed.... Just wish there was a know winner available like Parcells was years ago...

  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by JetsCrazey View Post
    this team is screwed. i can't believe we are stuck with Sanchez another year. They gave him an extra year so he wouldn't feel bad that they pursued Peyton Manning? dumbest crap i've ever heard.
    They extended Sanchez to "kiss and make up" after losing Manning, then they bring in Tebow to sell the PSL's that are being reneged on (upper deckers are moving down, hence space up above) which ends up ****ing up his head anyway. Pure Jets........Has Hess reincarnated himself into Woody ????

    All these inefficient moves may have never been made if it wasn't for the new stadium. I believe Woody has had alot more say than most think, in these "sell the sizzle moves"......unfortunatly, if this is the case, that gives Woody an excuse not to fire TannenRyan.

    On the flip side Woody has to do something because the PSL reneging will only increase after this years embarrassment. Thats the unwritten story.
    Last edited by DUNCCFP; 11-25-2012 at 02:18 PM.

  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanMadman View Post
    "Sources who have studied their contract situation expect Bart Scott and Calvin Pace to be among those not back next season"

    It was mentioned and the situation still sucks.
    And his statements on Revis are BS. Revis's agent would have to be MAD to try and holdout after an injury. Doesn't make sense.

  13. #13
    the writer of this article is lazy at best. he writes that the jets project to be $20M over the cap but fails to mention that jason smith and his $12M cap hit will be cut from the roster. just cutting smith, pace, and scott will free up $28M in cap space. cutting eric smith, pouha, and tebow frees up another $8.25M in room as well. the question for the jets is what to do with the FA safeties, OG's, and whether to resign or replace keller/greene with about $16-17M to spend in total

  14. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    By Jason La Canfora | CBS Sports NFL Insider

    November 25, 2012 12:18 pm ET

    The Jets (4-7) are on the brink of another lost season following another lopsided defeat Thursday night. They're in a predicament that several players who have been in that locker room in recent years attribute to an overall lack of discipline -- plus a sense of entitlement furthered by contracts loaded with guarantees and specific language that in essence binds players to the team regardless of how they act and how poorly they perform.

    Coming off a 49-19 defeat at home to New England on Thanksgiving, questions continue to swirl about the future of coach Rex Ryan and general manager Mike Tannenbaum, and several NFL executives who have surveyed the Jets' 2013 salary-cap situation, contractual obligations and locker-room culture believe it will be difficult for any new coach or general manager to quickly turn the team around if there is a new regime in place this offseason.

    Guys love playing for Ryan, according to several players with the Jets in recent years. Still, they maintain there is not sufficient discipline and deterrents in place throughout the organization to eliminate the kind of chemistry and inter-personnel problems that have plagued the team the past two years. And players are further empowered and emboldened, the former Jets said, by a roster short on talent and depth to push for starting spots as well as a bevy of recent contracts that, in the cases of a malcontent like Santonio Holmes or a slumping veteran like Mark Sanchez, preclude the team from cutting them.

    Holmes is due $7.5 million guaranteed in 2013, for skill, cap and injury. That means that if the Jets part with him, he is still owed that money (Holmes had similar language in his deal for 2012, which prevented the Jets from being able to cut him after his meltdowns led to their rapid descent down the stretch). Sanchez is due $8.25 million fully guaranteed in 2013 (and then makes another $500,000 in workout bonuses from being on the roster). Furthermore, according to sources with knowledge of the contract, there are no offsets in the contracts -- so the player, if released, could earn a full salary from the next team that signed him -- and the contract language dictates that if they are released, they must be paid the full amount they are owed within 30 days. In many cases there is offset language in such contracts and guaranteed payments can be spread out over a much more lengthy period of time.

    Also, the Jets owe corner Antonio Cromartie $4.75 million guaranteed in 2013, David Harris has $9.5 million of his $10.9 million salary guaranteed. Sources who have studied their contract situation expect Bart Scott and Calvin Pace to be among those not back next season, regardless of who is making decisions there, but the restrictive contract language will limit other options. The Jets project to be over $20 million over the 2013 cap, sources said.

    And, in what could be the biggest issue for the team in the offseason, their best player, corner Darrelle Revis, will be coming off of season-ending ACL surgery and seeking a contract extension, as his previous deal was constructed with an eye toward re-negotiating in 2013. With ACL injuries becoming less significant to overcome these days (see Adrian Peterson), don't expect the injury to deter the demand for a new contract with the top defensive players in the NFL earning $15 million a season or more since Revis signed his deal in 2010. Revis is set to earn just $3 million in base salary and $3 million in bonuses in 2013.

    www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/jason-la-canfora/21130213/bloated-contracts-lack-of-discipline-dim-jets-future-hopes
    Another crap article by the lame ass media piling on with selective reasoning as the media thinks they all have the answers.

    The sense of entitlement spin is the biggest pile of BS out there.

  15. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    Another crap article by the lame ass media piling on with selective reasoning as the media thinks they all have the answers.

    The sense of entitlement spin is the biggest pile of BS out there.
    It's the MEDIA!


    It's the INJURIES!!!!


    It's the OFFICIATING!!!!!



    It's the lack of CONTINUITY!!!!



    So the team is fine Rayge Rayge? Sanchez will figure it out if only given the chance? Tanny's done a good job rebuilding a young team through the draft. The kids will all become good players if given the chance. No problems with Rex, Saprano, and the rest of the coaches?

    Okay, You and your couple of buds are right, and EVERYONE else is wrong.

  16. #16
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    19,846
    Someone needs to welcome LaConfora to 2011. We have already been talking about this for over a year now. Most people's answer was that the cap was going to increase. LO-phucking-L.

    Our GM sucks. The "cap guru" reputation is a fraud. Our HC is also a fraud.

    I hope we blow this end after this season rather than waiting another year. Let the new guys come in and clear some space in 2013 and then see where we are at in 2014. We might be looking at two more lost seasons here which would be 4 in a row.

  17. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    Another crap article by the lame ass media piling on with selective reasoning as the media thinks they all have the answers.

    The sense of entitlement spin is the biggest pile of BS out there.
    Again.

    I've posted a damn realistic picture of the situation. Realistically, before draft picks, the Jets have $25M to spend and 9 starters to replace. Even when you consider that the Jets will replace some players on the team already, you have to realize that the Jets have about 35 guys under contract and not a lot of money to spend.

    While the picture that's painted is not entirely correct, the one that I have, based on Jason's cap page is. And it's horrific.

  18. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by GuidoYaztremski View Post
    It's the MEDIA!


    It's the INJURIES!!!!


    It's the OFFICIATING!!!!!



    It's the lack of CONTINUITY!!!!



    So the team is fine Rayge Rayge? Sanchez will figure it out if only given the chance? Tanny's done a good job rebuilding a young team through the draft. The kids will all become good players if given the chance. No problems with Rex, Saprano, and the rest of the coaches?

    Okay, You and your couple of buds are right, and EVERYONE else is wrong.
    It's a crap article, it's loaded with sensationalism, and is the epitome of lazy journalism.

    STFU troll

  19. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    Another crap article by the lame ass media piling on with selective reasoning as the media thinks they all have the answers.

    The sense of entitlement spin is the biggest pile of BS out there.
    For months you ripped most to all of my posts in how I felt about this current staff and owner.

    Your blame of the media and unbridled support of a front office, HC and players is perplexing to say the least.

  20. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Ray19 View Post
    Another crap article by the lame ass media piling on with selective reasoning as the media thinks they all have the answers.

    The sense of entitlement spin is the biggest pile of BS out there.



Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Follow Us